Stillen supercharger long term reports

TopgunZ · 06-17-2015, 08:39 PM

[QUOTE=ANMVQ;3231521]Maybe 480has nothing to do with how WHP @ 13 PSI and E85. I made 457 at 12 PSI on knowingmp, BUt better have a built motor and some other add ons if you want that much power from it. :/ Stock trim it wont make it safely[/ecripUOTE]

Buillt motor isnt needed. It has nothing to do with how strong the bottom end is. Its all in the car knowing what is going on. With the pull through mafs it is confused. Add the stupid amount of heat from the original design and you have a recipe for disaster. It wouldnt matter if you bought the strongest internals possible.

ANMVQ · 06-18-2015, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

Maybe 480has nothing to do with how WHP @ 13 PSI and E85. I made 457 at 12 PSI on knowingmp, BUt better have a built motor and some other add ons if you want that much power from it. :/ Stock trim it wont make it safely[/ecripUOTE]

Buillt motor isnt needed. It has nothing to do with how strong the bottom end is. Its all in the car knowing what is going on. With the pull through mafs it is confused. Add the stupid amount of heat from the original design and you have a recipe for disaster. It wouldnt matter if you bought the strongest internals possible.

I would still think it is , But what you are doing will help with a lot of it, We both know the MAF design is wrong , and the small wrongly placed heat exchanger doesn't help. Can't wait to see how this turns out

TopgunZ · 06-17-2015, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by victorofhavoc

do you have the smaller pulley or the other compressor wheel people put in? I'm wondering how far the kit can go with stock cats, smaller pulley, the different compressor wheel, and e85. Can't wait to see your results!

No. 9psi pulley and Si trim. So maxed out. Probably will go with smaller pulley still.

brutusvk · 06-17-2015, 07:02 PM

Ok, I am officially in the "starting to hate the SC setup" camp. I was driving down the road and the P0113 code popped up. Will not clear. I am now hearing it may be the wiring tothe MAF sensors. It is making me hate this car. I think I made a tremendous mistake adding the SC. I may get it squared away this time and if it screws up again I will return it to NA with the CAIs only. There should not be this many issues with a system that is supposed to be squared away.

victorofhavoc · 06-18-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by brutusvk

Ok, I am officially in the "starting to hate the SC setup" camp. I was driving down the road and the P0113 code popped up. Will not clear. I am now hearing it may be the wiring tothe MAF sensors. It is making me hate this car. I think I made a tremendous mistake adding the SC. I may get it squared away this time and if it screws up again I will return it to NA with the CAIs only. There should not be this many issues with a system that is supposed to be squared away.

Get a cheap maf cleaning kit, and clean your mafs first.
Pull off your filters and make sure there isn't dirt or anything trapped in some parts of it.
Clean the filters as necessary.
Know anybody with a working MAF? Try swapping it in one at a time to see if it fixes it.
Try swapping both MAFs.
Then I'd move onto looking at wiring. Wiring is far less likely than sensors.

EliteXpress · 06-18-2015, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by brutusvk

Ok, I am officially in the "starting to hate the SC setup" camp. I was driving down the road and the P0113 code popped up. Will not clear. I am now hearing it may be the wiring tothe MAF sensors. It is making me hate this car. I think I made a tremendous mistake adding the SC. I may get it squared away this time and if it screws up again I will return it to NA with the CAIs only. There should not be this many issues with a system that is supposed to be squared away.

Not the same code, but my Z kept seeing P1239 from time to time. This code would put the Z into limp mode, turn off back on and all good for a Day or Two. Code then started to show itself more frequent so after some research narrowed it to the jumper cable for the T/B and MAF sensors. Mark from Stillen got a new set shipped over, changed out and have been code free since.

RadioFlyer · 06-30-2015, 10:48 AM

There's another thread on here that shows a picture of the heat exchanger pulled out of the intake manifold. That thing isn't going to be able to cool any more than what the stock setup puts out. You know the machined stripes on the top of the intake manifold, where it says Stillen? That's about how big the heat exchanger is. Between everything else you guys pointed out about the MAFs and the non-Frozenboost front mount, add this to the list of reasons why you wouldn't want to push the Stillen kit for more than it was originally designed for.

brucelidat · 07-01-2015, 08:29 PM

how noticeable is the SC sound form inside the cabin?

Adalvar · 07-01-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

how noticeable is the SC sound form inside the cabin?

That's what I would also like to know.

-Adalvar

mikey1600 · 07-01-2015, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

how noticeable is the SC sound form inside the cabin?

At lower RPM, 2500~ quite noticeable with it's whistle, at higher RPM you can't hear it at all, just exhaust.

I'll try get some videos up on youtube at some stage to give you an idea, last time I tried my gopro only went for 5 minutes and cut off lol..

brucelidat · 08-21-2015, 11:04 AM

Would running e85 get some gains with this kit? Also, would it significantly help with temps? I don't really want to vent my hood and fenders and all that. How much cooler does e85 burn?

TopgunZ · 08-21-2015, 11:30 AM

Absolutely! Ethanols thermal heat of latency (ability to remove heat) is 3X greater than that of gasoline. It will run much cooler, netting power, and its resistance to pre-det is insane.

Lets put it this way. My buddies supra has an E85 tune and a 91 octane tune. He makes 650whp on his E tune and only 500 on his 91.

You will pick up a good 20whp out of that kit and it will be much safer. You will however need bigger injectors and a 340lph pump.

And the smell of burnt E85 is like rum. Delicious.

ANMVQ · 08-21-2015, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Absolutely! Ethanols thermal heat of latency (ability to remove heat) is 3X greater than that of gasoline. It will run much cooler, netting power, and its resistance to pre-det is insane.

Lets put it this way. My buddies supra has an E85 tune and a 91 octane tune. He makes 650whp on his E tune and only 500 on his 91.

You will pick up a good 20whp out of that kit and it will be much safer. You will however need bigger injectors and a 340lph pump.

And the smell of burnt E85 is like rum. Delicious.

So let me get this strait I can run E85 with just injectors and a 340LP pump? The stock lines seals ,etc are fine. An not saying I'd gain anything being NA just curious

TopgunZ · 08-21-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

So let me get this strait I can run E85 with just injectors and a 340LP pump? The stock lines seals ,etc are fine. An not saying I'd gain anything being NA just curious

Yes. You could pick up about 5whp with timing advancement.

Team_STILLEN · 08-21-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by brucelidat

Would running e85 get some gains with this kit? Also, would it significantly help with temps? I don't really want to vent my hood and fenders and all that. How much cooler does e85 burn?

As TopgunZ said, the thermal heat of latency is far greater than that of gasoline and has a high octane rating. This also allows you to run much more advanced timing without risking detonation.

Ethanol does have its drawback. It is a lot harding on the fuel system as a whole.

06-17-2015, 08:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	[QUOTE=ANMVQ;3231521]Maybe 480has nothing to do with how WHP @ 13 PSI and E85. I made 457 at 12 PSI on knowingmp, BUt better have a built motor and some other add ons if you want that much power from it. :/ Stock trim it wont make it safely[/ecripUOTE] Buillt motor isnt needed. It has nothing to do with how strong the bottom end is. Its all in the car knowing what is going on. With the pull through mafs it is confused. Add the stupid amount of heat from the original design and you have a recipe for disaster. It wouldnt matter if you bought the strongest internals possible. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM Last edited by TopgunZ; 06-17-2015 at 08:42 PM.

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brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 32	how noticeable is the SC sound form inside the cabin? __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

08-21-2015, 11:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
brucelidat A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: temple city, ca Posts: 2,432 Drives: 2011 370z 7AT GM Sp Rep Power: 32	Would running e85 get some gains with this kit? Also, would it significantly help with temps? I don't really want to vent my hood and fenders and all that. How much cooler does e85 burn? __________________ Works Emotion CR Ultimate - FI CBE w/ 18" resonators - Ecutek - eibach sways - Quaife - FI LTH w/race cats - kw v3 - spl - Topgunz SC - 488whp 398trq

08-21-2015, 11:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	Absolutely! Ethanols thermal heat of latency (ability to remove heat) is 3X greater than that of gasoline. It will run much cooler, netting power, and its resistance to pre-det is insane. Lets put it this way. My buddies supra has an E85 tune and a 91 octane tune. He makes 650whp on his E tune and only 500 on his 91. You will pick up a good 20whp out of that kit and it will be much safer. You will however need bigger injectors and a 340lph pump. And the smell of burnt E85 is like rum. Delicious. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

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06-17-2015, 07:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
brutusvk Base Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Az Posts: 220 Drives: 2014 sport package Rep Power: 13	Ok, I am officially in the "starting to hate the SC setup" camp. I was driving down the road and the P0113 code popped up. Will not clear. I am now hearing it may be the wiring tothe MAF sensors. It is making me hate this car. I think I made a tremendous mistake adding the SC. I may get it squared away this time and if it screws up again I will return it to NA with the CAIs only. There should not be this many issues with a system that is supposed to be squared away.

06-30-2015, 10:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
RadioFlyer Base Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA. Posts: 193 Drives: 08 G37S S/C Rep Power: 41	There's another thread on here that shows a picture of the heat exchanger pulled out of the intake manifold. That thing isn't going to be able to cool any more than what the stock setup puts out. You know the machined stripes on the top of the intake manifold, where it says Stillen? That's about how big the heat exchanger is. Between everything else you guys pointed out about the MAFs and the non-Frozenboost front mount, add this to the list of reasons why you wouldn't want to push the Stillen kit for more than it was originally designed for.

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