VVEL control unlocked

DIGItonium · 10-08-2012, 10:30 AM

This is nice... I'm hoping for a proper dyno tune next year. I want to induce whiplash.

edub370 · 10-08-2012, 10:32 AM

lets not trash this thread internet tough guys. go size up somewhere else.

back on topic, anyone have any idea of NA gains that could be seen with this. i mean 0hp? 20hp?

Red__Zed · 10-08-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

I do all my own tuning (John @ Z1 is the one who showed me how it works)

and of course only pro tuners with there cables are going to get access to it and I talked to John @ Z Nationals yesterday and he hasn't seen any email regarding this,so yes this is a bunch of here say until someone that has used it on a car.
And I was a master certified auto tech for 13 yrs.,and now I'm a master certified autobody tech for 14 yrs. now so I would say it's safe to say that I have forgotten more about cars than you probably know.

Orly?

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Originally Posted by Baer383

Why don't you try to reset your ECU disconnect the - of the battery then hold the horn and the brake pedal down to drain the rest of the remaining volts reconnect and it will relearn as you drive,idle,etc..

Drain volts? Nope!

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Originally Posted by Baer383

And you have read the wiring diagrams,talk to techs, and determined on your own that the ECU can't relearn,

Somehow figured out that Nissan worked out machine learning from the above?

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Originally Posted by Baer383

My working are cars for 25 years begs to differ with you.

Grammar what?

V12s = grippy tires?

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Originally Posted by Baer383

These tires are rated 8.7 dry traction,I forgot that all you guys think that the most expensive tire is the most sticky and you being 21 have drove on every set of tire to confirm that the Hankook V12's aren't as sticky as "more expensive tires.

the reason the upper ball joint slips under pressure is a design flaw and I knew about this when I did my alignment ,so I was able to fix SPC flaw that's why is doesn't slip,and it can't move or slip regardless of what wheels or tires are on my car whether it be my track 18in or my show 20in.

I'd still love to see this fix.

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Originally Posted by Baer383

so I would say it's safe to say that I have forgotten more about cars than you probably know.

I wouldn't.

I for one want to hear what o&g is on to, not hear you ramble about how you would hear it first.

ANMVQ · 10-08-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by O&G

Go flex your e-peinis on another thread. I never claimed to be a tuner, mechanic or Master Certified Honda body tech guy. I have however owned FI VQ's for over 8 years, so it's safe to say I know about the platform. My tuner works and tunes w/ Ron Burgenholtz the builder of Chelsea DeNofa's Nitto Mazda RX8 formula drift "race car" so I think it's safe to say he knows more than you.

Back on subject..... hopefully we will get some more news this week about the new software. My tuner is leaving for Cali Wednesday for the race this week, but I'm going to contact him today and see if he can forward some of the email conversations he has had w/ Jared @ UpRev, a Texas company!

Yea man let us know, what he says ,My retune APT is tomorrow, An I am going to shoot my tuner a text tomorrow when he says he has the car.

blackonorange · 10-08-2012, 02:33 PM

Loooollll

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Orly?

Drain volts? Nope!

Somehow figured out that Nissan worked out machine learning from the above?

Grammar what?

V12s = grippy tires?

I'd still love to see this fix.

I wouldn't.

I for one want to hear what o&g is on to, not hear you ramble about how you would hear it first.

seymore4 · 10-09-2012, 04:12 PM

whelp looks like its official.

"There is a BETA version of the ROM editor in the pro download area that give access to the tables that we've found so far for VVEL control. One big piece that is still missing is the cam phasing. There are tables there for phasing, but they don't seem to work yet. Be VERY careful not to change the "Valve Clearance Limit" table as this is the table the keeps the pistons from hitting the valves. Here are the notes about what we know so far about these tables (this info can also be found in the text file inside the beta ZIP folder):

So far we know:
Valve clearence limit is the safety table that keeps the ECU from running too much lift and advance at the same time.

* Adjusting this table is DANGERUS. Too much lift and advance at the same time = piston crashing into the valves.

VVEL B seems to have the most effect on idle.

At WOT it seems take the max value from either B or C."

O&G · 10-09-2012, 04:57 PM

I believe UpRev is increasing prices for licenses's as well. Not 100% sure but I did hear that through the grapevine.

elperuano · 10-09-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seymore4

whelp looks like its official.

"There is a BETA version of the ROM editor in the pro download area that give access to the tables that we've found so far for VVEL control. One big piece that is still missing is the cam phasing. There are tables there for phasing, but they don't seem to work yet. Be VERY careful not to change the "Valve Clearance Limit" table as this is the table the keeps the pistons from hitting the valves. Here are the notes about what we know so far about these tables (this info can also be found in the text file inside the beta ZIP folder):

So far we know:
Valve clearence limit is the safety table that keeps the ECU from running too much lift and advance at the same time.

* Adjusting this table is DANGERUS. Too much lift and advance at the same time = piston crashing into the valves.

VVEL B seems to have the most effect on idle.

At WOT it seems take the max value from either B or C."

Thanks for disproving this the other day and now confirming it! Lol

GaleForce · 10-09-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by seymore4

whelp looks like its official.

"There is a BETA version of the ROM editor in the pro download area that give access to the tables that we've found so far for VVEL control. One big piece that is still missing is the cam phasing. There are tables there for phasing, but they don't seem to work yet. Be VERY careful not to change the "Valve Clearance Limit" table as this is the table the keeps the pistons from hitting the valves. Here are the notes about what we know so far about these tables (this info can also be found in the text file inside the beta ZIP folder):

So far we know:
Valve clearence limit is the safety table that keeps the ECU from running too much lift and advance at the same time.

* Adjusting this table is DANGERUS. Too much lift and advance at the same time = piston crashing into the valves.

VVEL B seems to have the most effect on idle.

At WOT it seems take the max value from either B or C."

Looks like the OP is due for some apology reps from the naysayers.

O&G · 10-09-2012, 05:18 PM

Atleast we've started to turn the corner in cam tuning. It does wonders for other cars w/ and w/o FI!

I rarely start any threads because I hate dealing w/ all the haters but in this case I knew a bunch of you guys would appreciate the news. The next step is for our tuners to start exploring the software "safely"! Should be xciting!

johncy2000 · 10-09-2012, 05:22 PM

Subed!

elperuano · 10-09-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

Looks like the OP is due for some apology reps from the naysayers.

I can definitely think of 1 person for sure lol

Z_ealot · 10-10-2012, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

I can definitely think of 1 person for sure lol

lol definitely....it's just like in the IT field, just because you've been in it for so many years doesnt mean you know everything and the field is always changing so anyone that comes on here saying they know more than anyone else just because they have been in the field longer i just take as pure arrogance and ignorance

FPenvy · 10-10-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

You always have to be a douche

yes he does lol

it makes things entertaining

FPenvy · 10-10-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

No he doesn't I'm tired of this young punk given me sh!t b/c my explanation of something doesn't fit his description of it.

Let see him put a GTM Ssupercharger in and tune it himself to 600 hp
He''ll tell you he has, well I just finished mine.

my bad didnt mean to get in the middle of that lol

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O&G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Lone Star State Age: 41 Posts: 1,212 Drives: 40th Anv. Rep Power: 22	Atleast we've started to turn the corner in cam tuning. It does wonders for other cars w/ and w/o FI! I rarely start any threads because I hate dealing w/ all the haters but in this case I knew a bunch of you guys would appreciate the news. The next step is for our tuners to start exploring the software "safely"! Should be xciting! 370Z Purist, GaleForce and Rusty like this. __________________ O&G's Build/Journal <---(1st lowmount single turbo treeseventy) Built Engine Thread 2011 F-250 Build/Journal

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10-09-2012, 04:12 PM	#96 (permalink)
seymore4 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West coast Age: 41 Posts: 555 Drives: 2010 nismo Rep Power: 6726	whelp looks like its official. "There is a BETA version of the ROM editor in the pro download area that give access to the tables that we've found so far for VVEL control. One big piece that is still missing is the cam phasing. There are tables there for phasing, but they don't seem to work yet. Be VERY careful not to change the "Valve Clearance Limit" table as this is the table the keeps the pistons from hitting the valves. Here are the notes about what we know so far about these tables (this info can also be found in the text file inside the beta ZIP folder): So far we know: Valve clearence limit is the safety table that keeps the ECU from running too much lift and advance at the same time. * Adjusting this table is DANGERUS. Too much lift and advance at the same time = piston crashing into the valves. VVEL B seems to have the most effect on idle. At WOT it seems take the max value from either B or C."

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