Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is simply normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here to go on, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

Excuse us for acting and basing our opinions with logical and rational evidence? remember what you said? its business 101?

If you look at the whole thread you and one other are the only ones who are still bashing on everything. Have you once tried to actually help a forum member come up with a resolution or just turn down everything Bullitt and I have said based on past offenses of a person no longer related to Gamma motors and no previously owed product by Sam was bought by Gamma Motors? Hmm?

Tiller and others are looking for evidence to find a resolution of which we are providing and trying to help them work around the business side and get these disputes settled

Also you can be a good community member by doing as Todd asked from Vivid Racing and keep from bashing their company by using their name in bad form.
If you have a real problem with Sam still go back to the original thread that formed when Sam originally started ripping people off with the scam and start posting there again about how bad of a guy sam is.

Or maybe help out by going and getting a thread started for people that want to organize a lawsuit against Sam.

Instead of sit there and point fingers.

tiller · 10-06-2015, 12:10 PM

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tiller

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

Call them for yourself and talk to them.

FPenvy · 10-06-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tiller

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

i doubt it was pics of your actual kit. most likely some stock photos he had laying around to send to everyone who had the same thing on order.

tiller · 10-06-2015, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i doubt it was pics of your actual kit. most likely some stock photos he had laying around to send to everyone who had the same thing on order.

they definitly could have been of somebody elses kit but in picture was my receipt and gamma also has said that they have my kit and are awaiting parts to finish it,maybe we should focus on these situations and these only before we cast judgement on gamma,if guys like me and others receive our stuff then lets pat gamma on the back but till then............

jwick · 10-06-2015, 12:17 PM

When was it stated that if you paid $2200 you got your missing V3 kit? The $2200 originally in question was what Gamma told the dude he needed to pay to complete the missing pieces of his SC kit. It had nothing to do with supplying someone a whole kit. If I remember correctly the guy was only missing the SC unit itself and intake piping. I guarantee you it doesn't cost Gamma $2200 to get those missing pieces and ship them to the guy. Therefore they are not taking a loss and in fact still making a little profit on top. They are completely in the right to do that but let's not put a spin on it that they are in any means taking a 'loss' supplying kits to former GTM customers.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick

When was it stated that if you paid $2200 you got your missing V3 kit? The $2200 originally in question was what Gamma told the dude he needed to pay to complete the missing pieces of his SC kit. It had nothing to do with supplying someone a whole kit. If I remember correctly the guy was only missing the SC unit itself and intake piping.

I also stated earlier that those numbers are for the people of the group buy that said that they paid 7k-8.5k upfront. If you base it off the general consensus that a single TT kit from a non-group buy costs 10k. So yeah for people who do not have any piece of their kit, another payment may have to be made because Sam's scam was a Group Buy discounted price of which I do not believe Gamma Motors will honor because then at that point they are literally handing out new kits to unhappy GTM customers.

But for that point you stated; if you can get it completed cheaper elsewhere do so and it is a win win for you (the OP of the missing SC and piping) at that point besides being ripped off by Sam. You avoid Gamma's $2200 and you don't have to wait in line with the lawsuits (although if you have it completed and want to try and get the money you spent to complete the kit reimbursed I would suggest so)

Besides that for the list of people who have paid an immense amount of money and have no kit what-so-ever it seems like you should contact Gamma Motors and let them know the situation about your old kit with Sam and see what offer they have for you.
Ask them literally "What is the best deal you can give me?" just straight up.
Negotiate. Try and get the best deal possible so you can end up with your kit and install it. Once you pay the amount with Gamma Motors, Get yourself in line with the lawsuit to get your money refunded that you had to pay on top of the Group buy "paid in full" amount; that way everyone who got screwed over by SAM gets their kit owed by SAM from GAMMA Motors, but in the end if the lawsuit doesn't crumble under a Bankruptcy filing from Sam, you will all get your money back for the Kit owed to you from Sam, maybe include the installation in there as damages for the delays. Not only that if you really are that upset about how everything has played out in REALITY, please file for emotional and physical duress as well so Sam will have to pay you more damages.
Seem like a fair compromise?

jwick · 10-06-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

I also stated earlier that those numbers are for the people of the group buy that said that they paid 7k-8.5k upfront. If you base it off the general consensus that a single TT kit from a non-group buy costs 10k. So yeah for people who do not have any piece of their kit, another payment may have to be made because Sam's scam was a Group Buy discounted price of which I do not believe Gamma Motors will honor because then at that point they are literally handing out new kits to unhappy GTM customers.

So it's FACT that if you were part of the group buy Gamma will send you your kit for an additional $2200 payment or that is something you just stated?

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwick

So it's FACT that if you were part of the group buy Gamma will send you your kit for an additional $2200 payment or that is something you just stated?

we are saying call them...

jwick · 10-06-2015, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

we are saying call them...

So it can be hearsay? Birdman made a statement. I'm just trying to clarify if there is any factual basis to that statement. It doesn't appear that there is which means he is getting sideways with people drawing their own conclusions about Gamma being shady, when he himself is drawing conclusions on what they are willing to do. Kinda kettle/pot...

njobe89 · 10-06-2015, 12:23 PM

ask this guy for advice on how to deal with sam

but in all honesty, this is a double edged sword. nothing that can be done will be "right."

from a business prospective gamma can't just give free stuff away, because they are on the losing end then. if they acquired completed kits for no money, then yes they should give them for free. however, that doesn't seem to be the case.

from a average joe prospective, it's not fair that you should have to give more money on top of the money you have already given. unfortunately when he filed for bankruptcy, there is nothing you can do. you gave the money to his company and his company went under. it's like the stock market, if you give money for a stock and that stock crashes, you won't get your money back.

arguing back and forth won't fix any issue(s). only thing that would make it fair is, if sam pocketed that money and gave it back to the appropriate people. pointing fingers is just a waste of time and won't get anything done.

also, people have the right to be skeptical about gamma because they haven't delivered anything, yet. maybe if they start delivering to some people and fixing some things, they can gain some trust.

now i'll go back to enjoying drinking my monster.

Ill · 10-06-2015, 04:48 PM

If Burger King purchased an old McDonalds building, they can't just hand out old Big Macs. Nothing is there for to give out.

Now if they offer a discount on a few whoppers, that seems reasonable.

I'm really hungry, so the food analogy made sense to me.

vividracing · 10-06-2015, 12:33 PM

Edit: Thanks for talking to me offline FP, sorry for the misunderstanding.

These comments continue to spiral out of control @fpenvy and @zbrah, I kindly ask you to stop with the accusations. Stop trying to wrap our name in with Sam and GTM and his scam. You have no basis for your accusations and what you are doing is smearing our name all over this forum as if we had something to do with it. Whether you intended to or not, you are affecting my reputation and my ability to do my job on this forum. I don't appreciate it, I didn't ask for it and I won't stand for it.

How would you like it if I came in to your work and prevented you from achieving your goals? Remind me again what I ever did to you to get treated this way? Was it because I bought a GTM SC kit and had to wait over a year to get the parts to have it completed so I could sell it? Was it because I was owed money by GTM that carried over and became Gamma's debt and in good faith they decided it was a good idea to take care of us on it? Is there a problem with either of those questions? I am asking you, and everyone else to simply stop, keep our name out of your mouth, I didn't do anything to deserve this.

FPenvy · 10-06-2015, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

These comments continue to spiral out of control @fpenvy and @zbrah, I kindly ask you to stop with the accusations. Stop trying to wrap our name in with Sam and GTM and his scam. You have no basis for your accusations and what you are doing is smearing our name all over this forum as if we had something to do with it. Whether you intended to or not, you are affecting my reputation and my ability to do my job on this forum. I don't appreciate it, I didn't ask for it and I won't stand for it.

How would you like it if I came in to your work and prevented you from achieving your goals? Remind me again what I ever did to you to get treated this way? Was it because I bought a GTM SC kit and had to wait over a year to get the parts to have it completed so I could sell it? Was it because I was owed money by GTM that carried over and became Gamma's debt and in good faith they decided it was a good idea to take care of us on it? Is there a problem with either of those questions? I am asking you, and everyone else to simply stop, keep our name out of your mouth, I didn't do anything to deserve this.

when have I ever said Vivid is a bunch of crooks or scam artists like Sam?

never.

I have only mentioned poor business practices of GTM and now Gamma dealing with it. not once have I mentioned your company.

so please if you'd like to continue on a fun new tangent we can. I enjoy the entertainment.

where's the old vivid guy I used to go back and forth with about that crappy meistershaft exhaust stuff and played fantasy football with. I liked him. he could read posts and not think i'm posting about his job when I haven't.

vividracing · 10-06-2015, 12:59 PM

[QUOTE=FPenvy;3323562]when have I ever said Vivid is a bunch of crooks or scam artists like Sam?

never.

I have only mentioned poor business practices of GTM and now Gamma dealing with it. not once have I mentioned your company.

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

this is when I laugh at the few on here repping GTM/Gamma like some fuckin addict fresh out of rehab./QUOTE]

Sorry, thought you were directing that towards me. You weren't?

10-06-2015, 12:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 370 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 15	I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop jaytirbhaw and Zbrah like this.

10-06-2015, 12:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465057	When was it stated that if you paid $2200 you got your missing V3 kit? The $2200 originally in question was what Gamma told the dude he needed to pay to complete the missing pieces of his SC kit. It had nothing to do with supplying someone a whole kit. If I remember correctly the guy was only missing the SC unit itself and intake piping. I guarantee you it doesn't cost Gamma $2200 to get those missing pieces and ship them to the guy. Therefore they are not taking a loss and in fact still making a little profit on top. They are completely in the right to do that but let's not put a spin on it that they are in any means taking a 'loss' supplying kits to former GTM customers. jaytirbhaw, JARblue, FPenvy and 1 others like this. __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build Last edited by jwick; 10-06-2015 at 12:33 PM.

10-06-2015, 12:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174285	ask this guy for advice on how to deal with sam but in all honesty, this is a double edged sword. nothing that can be done will be "right." from a business prospective gamma can't just give free stuff away, because they are on the losing end then. if they acquired completed kits for no money, then yes they should give them for free. however, that doesn't seem to be the case. from a average joe prospective, it's not fair that you should have to give more money on top of the money you have already given. unfortunately when he filed for bankruptcy, there is nothing you can do. you gave the money to his company and his company went under. it's like the stock market, if you give money for a stock and that stock crashes, you won't get your money back. arguing back and forth won't fix any issue(s). only thing that would make it fair is, if sam pocketed that money and gave it back to the appropriate people. pointing fingers is just a waste of time and won't get anything done. also, people have the right to be skeptical about gamma because they haven't delivered anything, yet. maybe if they start delivering to some people and fixing some things, they can gain some trust. now i'll go back to enjoying drinking my monster. zguynate and birdman71 like this. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

10-06-2015, 04:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ill Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Bellevue Posts: 177 Drives: 09 370z Base 6MT Rep Power: 14	If Burger King purchased an old McDonalds building, they can't just hand out old Big Macs. Nothing is there for to give out. Now if they offer a discount on a few whoppers, that seems reasonable. I'm really hungry, so the food analogy made sense to me. EVOHUNTER and Eclipz like this. __________________ Old - GTM TT Stage 1 - 487whp / 415wtrq - bunch of goodies. New - 2011 Shelby GT500 - 2.3L VMP TVS - JLT CAI.

10-06-2015, 12:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
vividracing The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Gilbert, AZ Age: 38 Posts: 7,306 Drives: 350Z,370Z,GTR Rep Power: 40	Edit: Thanks for talking to me offline FP, sorry for the misunderstanding. These comments continue to spiral out of control @fpenvy and @zbrah, I kindly ask you to stop with the accusations. Stop trying to wrap our name in with Sam and GTM and his scam. You have no basis for your accusations and what you are doing is smearing our name all over this forum as if we had something to do with it. Whether you intended to or not, you are affecting my reputation and my ability to do my job on this forum. I don't appreciate it, I didn't ask for it and I won't stand for it. How would you like it if I came in to your work and prevented you from achieving your goals? Remind me again what I ever did to you to get treated this way? Was it because I bought a GTM SC kit and had to wait over a year to get the parts to have it completed so I could sell it? Was it because I was owed money by GTM that carried over and became Gamma's debt and in good faith they decided it was a good idea to take care of us on it? Is there a problem with either of those questions? I am asking you, and everyone else to simply stop, keep our name out of your mouth, I didn't do anything to deserve this. Mike, warpeacelove, Rusty and 3 others like this. __________________ Rocky @ Vivid ♦ 480.966.3040 x236 ♦ Rocky@vividracing.com Email, PM, or call me directly for aggressive The370Z.com member pricing!!! Last edited by vividracing; 10-06-2015 at 03:18 PM.

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