Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

Zbrah

So because you and vivid spents xxx amounts of money with gtm and small joe on the forum only spent x amount. You guys deserve higher priority and prompt attention? Sorry man, but that condescending attitude is what drove that business to the ground. This forum is full of potential customers like small joe, and your words doesn't instill much confidence right now. I hope this new company learn from that mistake and start treating each one of their customer, large or small, with the same level of respect and service, and not just the selected few. So far gamma haven't shown any signs of that. So before we start talking about possible vendor status. How about making amends with all the unhappy customers first! That's how you earn credibility and establish new client base. It's basic business 101. Not this "We are not legally or morrally obligated" bull crap. If you don't think there is anything wrong with the way this company answered its potential customer, you're very much contributing to its problem. And I don't care if their products are the best in the business (which I highhly doubt), if they can't establish trust with their customers base, they will be gone quicker than you can spell out C A N C E R.

Possible vendor : yeah, good luck with that!

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birdman71

You do understand that they bought intellectual property meaning Sam's ideas correct? They bought misc. stuff like bullitt stated because there was no product. Everything is brand new made by Gamma. That being said when they offer someone that got SCREWED over by SAM (NOT GAMMA MOTORS) their TT kit for 2k, yes that 2k seems unfair to the customer but if you look at the 8k loss they are taking on a brand new turbo kit they had to produce from scratch; the loss they are taking by even offering the unhappy customers of GTM a chance at their turbo kit for 2k should be immensely appreciated because since they DO NOT have any of the "Owed Product" that Sam owes everyone. So they are taking an 8k loss per TT kit and you are complaining?

That is something most business will shoot down in the conference room because they are losing 80% on everything they sell to the GTM customers trying to fix Sam's mistake; all to try and earn them as a customer and show them that they are taking a huge loss to set things straight for the ones that did get screwed over.
Heck if I offered 80% off on all the insurance premiums I sell my boss would probably literally kill me. Why? because its something a business should never have to consider. But they are.

If anything this should be something that everyone should be happy about (I understand that a lot of money has been invested by a lot of people) but your only other option at this point is to wait in line with the Lawsuits.

Choose one.

A. Complain about how Gamma isn't doing things correctly even though all true evidence based off math, logic, and in person evidence (provided by Bullitt and Z elim) rather you can use your irrational emotions based on SAM's screw up and wait in line with the rest of the people for the lawsuit

B. Accept the fact that Gamma motors is doing everyone a favor even though it will cost everyone who has had money invested an extra 2k to more than likely upgrade to the v3 kits.

The choice is yours, may the odds ever be in your favor.

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zguynate

I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you.

Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting.

How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice.

The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new?

Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in.

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warpeacelove

Some folks are just hard headed. Let them continue on

bullitt5897

Reading Comprehension FAIL...

No one has stated they receive priority treatment based on amounts paid. However, what was stated is that because we spent so much money we made it a priority to know the interworkings of that company. This comes from building relationships and having constant communications... Usually meaning if GTM didnt answer the phone or we werent able to get the answer we wanted. We called up again that same day, we sent email follow ups after every call. We travelled out to the shop... On big builds like mine and Zeliminator this is almost a must no matter who is building your car.

This isnt being condescending this is being real! yeah someone may have lost $5k but does that compare to $26k like Zeliminator? are you really comparing the two? When I stated that those who spent more and are on the hook for more arent running for the pitchforks and are not blaming Gamma. We are taking a more rational and logical approach. By all means blame Gamma all you want. but facts are facts you can ignore them all you want and all it will do is make you look the fool.

I am taking a calmer head to the situation because I consider my money lost and anything I get in return is only a bonus! Do I want a full refund? HELL YEAH! Will I get the full refund? NO... Its a reality I have come to grips with. Call it lessons learned and I do all my own work now.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE THEY LIABLE MORALLY OR LEGALLY!!! THEY BOUGHT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!

Your whole premise is based on inaccurate information what you see and hear on the forum. If they bought the business from Sam including assets then yes they would have a liability both legally and morally. Sam tried to sell the business several times and couldnt reach agreements with any of the possible buyers. I was not trying to put this out there but The only deal he could bring down was just for the intellectual rights and the relationships with manufacturers. This is based on the second hand information I received from insiders.



Tiller, Have you called them? Have you emailed them about your situation and sent them the invoices? I had to take the first steps to even get a response.

If we dont do the due dillegence we cant expect a new company to go find every bad situation GTM did. Just as an FYI... Sam was a horrible record keeper from what I saw and heard and with his health situation it got way worse! You hoped something didnt get left on his desk. It was known by several people that anything that landed on his desk was lost forever.

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tiller

Yes bullitt I sent my receipt and called many times,they told me if I want my kit in 2weeks it will cost me an extra 4000$,or else I should just be patient and stop calling,wait till December or January and then maybe get the rest of my parts at that time,meaning they have a kit started of mine so they dident just buy INTELLECTUAL property they have my kit which they themselves say that have just isent finished,I will not bad mouth gamma until I find out for myself that I am out 8500 for sure and they themselves have scammed me like Sam did,AND I have recorded conversations with them saying my kit was 97 % finished,then they said 70% finished in another conversation,so if I have to fly to California I will but hopefully i don't have to spend more hard earned money on something I already paid for.

Zbrah

So much for the theories that gamma only bought "intellectual properties" from gtm. Please continue to amuse us. We'd love to hear how gamma isn't holding parts owed to gtm's customers

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