Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

FPenvy · 10-06-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tiller

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

grab some lube.

warpeacelove · 10-06-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Loopholes?

Do you know the transaction Sam had with Gamma? Do you have details of the deal? Do you know exactly what they bought? Do you know the revisions of the deal or how many it took?

I can tell you I have seen and heard first hand the high level details... In no way shape or form do they owe anything! Legally or Morally.... What you see from Todd, Zeliminator and Myself is the sanity of the situation. We know more than most. I know way more than a majority and I can tell you the high level of what went down.

They bought the intellectual property to the kits along with a few other products. They also re-established vendor/manufacturer relationships. They did indeed part ways with Sam. Despite what most of you choose to believe they are here to make products. The fact they are working with many of us says leaps and bounds to their morality!

So before we grab our torches and pitchforks lets get a hold of the facts! Stop making emotional decisions and start being logical. If anyone has a right to make an emotional decision its Zeliminator and myself. We have spent more money with Sam and GTM than most pay for their cars. This is also why we are so close to the knowledge of whats going on... You spend this kind of money you make sure you know whats going on with the business.

So lets keep it civil and keep this on topic to what people are experiencing with Gamma so the Admins and others will have first hand accounts of peoples dealings with the possible vendor.

I Have Spent over $17K with GTM.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

So because you and vivid spents xxx amounts of money with gtm and small joe on the forum only spent x amount. You guys deserve higher priority and prompt attention? Sorry man, but that condescending attitude is what drove that business to the ground. This forum is full of potential customers like small joe, and your words doesn't instill much confidence right now. I hope this new company learn from that mistake and start treating each one of their customer, large or small, with the same level of respect and service, and not just the selected few. So far gamma haven't shown any signs of that. So before we start talking about possible vendor status. How about making amends with all the unhappy customers first! That's how you earn credibility and establish new client base. It's basic business 101. Not this "We are not legally or morrally obligated" bull crap. If you don't think there is anything wrong with the way this company answered its potential customer, you're very much contributing to its problem. And I don't care if their products are the best in the business (which I highhly doubt), if they can't establish trust with their customers base, they will be gone quicker than you can spell out C A N C E R.

Possible vendor :

yeah, good luck with that!

You do understand that they bought intellectual property meaning Sam's ideas correct? They bought misc. stuff like bullitt stated because there was no product. Everything is brand new made by Gamma. That being said when they offer someone that got SCREWED over by SAM (NOT GAMMA MOTORS) their TT kit for 2k, yes that 2k seems unfair to the customer but if you look at the 8k loss they are taking on a brand new turbo kit they had to produce from scratch; the loss they are taking by even offering the unhappy customers of GTM a chance at their turbo kit for 2k should be immensely appreciated because since they DO NOT have any of the "Owed Product" that Sam owes everyone. So they are taking an 8k loss per TT kit and you are complaining?

That is something most business will shoot down in the conference room because they are losing 80% on everything they sell to the GTM customers trying to fix Sam's mistake; all to try and earn them as a customer and show them that they are taking a huge loss to set things straight for the ones that did get screwed over.
Heck if I offered 80% off on all the insurance premiums I sell my boss would probably literally kill me. Why? because its something a business should never have to consider. But they are.

If anything this should be something that everyone should be happy about (I understand that a lot of money has been invested by a lot of people) but your only other option at this point is to wait in line with the Lawsuits.

Choose one.

A. Complain about how Gamma isn't doing things correctly even though all true evidence based off math, logic, and in person evidence (provided by Bullitt and Z elim) rather you can use your irrational emotions based on SAM's screw up and wait in line with the rest of the people for the lawsuit

B. Accept the fact that Gamma motors is doing everyone a favor even though it will cost everyone who has had money invested an extra 2k to more than likely upgrade to the v3 kits.

The choice is yours, may the odds ever be in your favor.

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 11:56 AM

I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you.

Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting.

How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice.

The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new?

Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by warpeacelove

I Have Spent over $17K with GTM.

Congrats, brah. You the exclusive club!

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Originally Posted by tiller

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

If your name isn't bullit, vivid or warpeacelove

your current two options are:

1. Work with gamma.

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2. File a small claim case

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warpeacelove · 10-06-2015, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you.

Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting.

How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice.

The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new?

Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in.

Some folks are just hard headed. Let them continue on

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 12:09 PM

And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here.

tiller · 10-06-2015, 12:10 PM

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tiller

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

You are the victim of a scam. Unfortunately I highly doubt you will be contacted by anyone because the only person to blame for that is Sam. Im sure he will not be following up with anyone.

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tiller

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

Call them for yourself and talk to them.

FPenvy · 10-06-2015, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tiller

I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop

i doubt it was pics of your actual kit. most likely some stock photos he had laying around to send to everyone who had the same thing on order.

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here.

So just continue to volley blame around until you get reparation? And by you I mean any customer that was wronged by GTM.

jwick · 10-06-2015, 12:17 PM

When was it stated that if you paid $2200 you got your missing V3 kit? The $2200 originally in question was what Gamma told the dude he needed to pay to complete the missing pieces of his SC kit. It had nothing to do with supplying someone a whole kit. If I remember correctly the guy was only missing the SC unit itself and intake piping. I guarantee you it doesn't cost Gamma $2200 to get those missing pieces and ship them to the guy. Therefore they are not taking a loss and in fact still making a little profit on top. They are completely in the right to do that but let's not put a spin on it that they are in any means taking a 'loss' supplying kits to former GTM customers.

tiller · 10-06-2015, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy

i doubt it was pics of your actual kit. most likely some stock photos he had laying around to send to everyone who had the same thing on order.

they definitly could have been of somebody elses kit but in picture was my receipt and gamma also has said that they have my kit and are awaiting parts to finish it,maybe we should focus on these situations and these only before we cast judgement on gamma,if guys like me and others receive our stuff then lets pat gamma on the back but till then............

njobe89 · 10-06-2015, 12:23 PM

ask this guy for advice on how to deal with sam

but in all honesty, this is a double edged sword. nothing that can be done will be "right."

from a business prospective gamma can't just give free stuff away, because they are on the losing end then. if they acquired completed kits for no money, then yes they should give them for free. however, that doesn't seem to be the case.

from a average joe prospective, it's not fair that you should have to give more money on top of the money you have already given. unfortunately when he filed for bankruptcy, there is nothing you can do. you gave the money to his company and his company went under. it's like the stock market, if you give money for a stock and that stock crashes, you won't get your money back.

arguing back and forth won't fix any issue(s). only thing that would make it fair is, if sam pocketed that money and gave it back to the appropriate people. pointing fingers is just a waste of time and won't get anything done.

also, people have the right to be skeptical about gamma because they haven't delivered anything, yet. maybe if they start delivering to some people and fixing some things, they can gain some trust.

now i'll go back to enjoying drinking my monster.

10-06-2015, 11:56 AM	#64 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,053 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 73	I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you. Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting. How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice. The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new? Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in. warpeacelove, birdman71, wideglideleon and 1 others like this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package Last edited by zguynate; 10-06-2015 at 11:58 AM.

10-06-2015, 12:09 PM	#67 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5451	And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here. JARblue, FPenvy, elperuano and 2 others like this. __________________

10-06-2015, 12:10 PM	#68 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 369 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 14	I had pictures sent to me by sam of my actual kit,it just has not been finished,so yes I do think gamma owes me and others product,my kit that I spent 8500$ is sitting in there shop jaytirbhaw and Zbrah like this.

10-06-2015, 12:17 PM	#73 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465056	When was it stated that if you paid $2200 you got your missing V3 kit? The $2200 originally in question was what Gamma told the dude he needed to pay to complete the missing pieces of his SC kit. It had nothing to do with supplying someone a whole kit. If I remember correctly the guy was only missing the SC unit itself and intake piping. I guarantee you it doesn't cost Gamma $2200 to get those missing pieces and ship them to the guy. Therefore they are not taking a loss and in fact still making a little profit on top. They are completely in the right to do that but let's not put a spin on it that they are in any means taking a 'loss' supplying kits to former GTM customers. jaytirbhaw, JARblue, FPenvy and 1 others like this. __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build Last edited by jwick; 10-06-2015 at 12:33 PM.

10-06-2015, 12:23 PM	#75 (permalink)
njobe89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2014 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 5,227 Drives: 2013 370z BS 6MT Rep Power: 174283	ask this guy for advice on how to deal with sam but in all honesty, this is a double edged sword. nothing that can be done will be "right." from a business prospective gamma can't just give free stuff away, because they are on the losing end then. if they acquired completed kits for no money, then yes they should give them for free. however, that doesn't seem to be the case. from a average joe prospective, it's not fair that you should have to give more money on top of the money you have already given. unfortunately when he filed for bankruptcy, there is nothing you can do. you gave the money to his company and his company went under. it's like the stock market, if you give money for a stock and that stock crashes, you won't get your money back. arguing back and forth won't fix any issue(s). only thing that would make it fair is, if sam pocketed that money and gave it back to the appropriate people. pointing fingers is just a waste of time and won't get anything done. also, people have the right to be skeptical about gamma because they haven't delivered anything, yet. maybe if they start delivering to some people and fixing some things, they can gain some trust. now i'll go back to enjoying drinking my monster. zguynate and birdman71 like this. __________________ 2 plus 2 times 2 = ? ... hint, it's not 8 Stillen CBE, Stillen Gen 3, TP's, Uprev tuned - 324whp/264tq

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