2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

911 is a totally different car than the Z. If you want to compare the Z to a Porsche, look at the Cayman. That's a far more reasonable comparo.

Why? Just curious, but why do you say that? A bit more luxury?

I mean, people cross shop Z's and Vettes, and they cross shop Vettes and 911's.

The 911 and Cayman both probably bury a Z on any race track, but they are all three sports cars.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Masa

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

Because then you are not comparing apples to apples. Let's face it, build refinement or not, the Carrera is much more comparable to a Z then say, a Camaro as far as "driving characteristics" go.

I'm not asking why someone likes a blonde compared to a brunette. I'm asking why the blond is charging so much for her services when the output is about the same as the brunettes.

kenchan · 10-13-2011, 07:14 PM

Op- I think Hyundai buyers say the same thing about all cars. Why pay this when you can pay this and get the exact same thing?!

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

911 is a totally different car than the Z. If you want to compare the Z to a Porsche, look at the Cayman. That's a far more reasonable comparo.

No. I gotta say that a Camaro or Mustang is a totally different car than a Z. And aside from a different body style and a few HP, a Cayman and a Carrera are essentially the same car. Maybe once you step up to a GT3/GT2 the changes become grossly apparent in many areas (such as suspension etc.) but to say that a Carrera and a Z are totally different.... I dunno...

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Why? Just curious, but why do you say that? A bit more luxury?

I mean, people cross shop Z's and Vettes, and they cross shop Vettes and 911's.

The 911 and Cayman both probably bury a Z on any race track, but they are all three sports cars.

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

Op- I think Hyundai buyers say the same thing about all cars. Why pay this when you can pay this and get the exact same thing?!

That may be but with all my mods I'm neck and neck when I drop the hammer in 4th gear against my buddy's Genesis coupe with only an CAI and CBE. Kinda makes you think...

I don't think he has nearly the handling as my particular Z track wise but...

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

I completely agree with you. I don't think they would look twice at the Z (oddly enough more people will look at my Z when parked next to a 911 though lol)

But that's just my argument. Surely there are better (more interesting at least) options in the 100K price range!

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

No. I gotta say that a Camaro or Mustang is a totally different car than a Z. And aside from a different body style and a few HP, a Cayman and a Carrera are essentially the same car. Maybe once you step up to a GT3/GT2 the changes become grossly apparent in many areas (such as suspension etc.) but to say that a Carrera and a Z are totally different.... I dunno...

Z and Camaro/Mustang are definitely totally different, but they are competitors because of the price.

I don't think the 911 is anything like the Cayman. One is a large(ish) rear-engine, RWD/AWD 2+2 and the other is a mid-engine, small(ish) 2 seater.

911 comes in so many flavors, but the "typical" 911 is sort of like a GT car and a sports car mixed. To me, anyways. And it's a 911.

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

Red__Zed was shopping for GTR's and ended up buying a Z and a WRX. Just because you can afford a Porsche doesn't mean you will necessarily want to throw that kind of money into it.

I thought you were saying it was in a different class performance-wise.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I completely agree with you. I don't think they would look twice at the Z (oddly enough more people will look at my Z when parked next to a 911 though lol)

But that's just my argument. Surely there are better (more interesting at least) options in the 100K price range!

If you primarily value performance for the dollar, then definitely. But I think most people that buy a 911 are not too concerned with the "per the dollar" part, they just want a 911.

I know I want one and have been mulling it over "because it's a 911." They are nice cars with a great history. Outright performance isn't really their forte, but they do just about everything and they do it very well, IMO. They really excel at the "being a 911" part of being a 911, too.

nmjaxx9 · 10-13-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Because then you are not comparing apples to apples. Let's face it, build refinement or not, the Carrera is much more comparable to a Z then say, a Camaro as far as "driving characteristics" go.

I'm not asking why someone likes a blonde compared to a brunette. I'm asking why the blond is charging so much for her services when the output is about the same as the brunettes.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Red__Zed was shopping for GTR's and ended up buying a Z and a WRX. Just because you can afford a Porsche doesn't mean you will necessarily want to throw that kind of money into it.

I thought you were saying it was in a different class performance-wise.

Nah, I'm completely ignoring performance. It's totally a price thing.

If I had $100k to spend on one car, and I really wanted a 911, god damnit I'm buying a 911!!!

But if I had up to $100k to spend on a car and was brand indifferent, and for whatever reason the Z tickled my fancy, I'd buy the Z and pocket the rest. But typically a buyer in that range is going to ignore our humble little price bracket completely. Bastards.

mjg · 10-13-2011, 07:24 PM

Driven a bunch of Porsche Carreras. They are fun cars, the sound of the engine behind you rumbling is great, and the feel of driving a go cart, that's refined, awesome vehicle. They are my favorite convertible, and I would have no problem having one as a DD.

Even so -- I don't want one. I see why people like them. It's fair to wonder why people like them more, but have you driven one? As people keep saying, value is subjective, and a Z and a Porsche may be comparable in some respects, but are apples and oranges.

There was a similar thread to this not so long ago, a guy who wanted to snatch up and older whale back Porsche, the guy had his mind made up, and it was a huge argument about why he was "trading down". I prefer a modern car, and love the 370 Z. To each their own... The cost of a Porsche is as irrelevant as the performance numbers when you compare them side by side.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If you primarily value performance for the dollar, then definitely. But I think most people that buy a 911 are not too concerned with the "per the dollar" part, they just want a 911.

I know I want one and have been mulling it over "because it's a 911." They are nice cars with a great history. Outright performance isn't really their forte, but they do just about everything and they do it very well, IMO. They really excel at the "being a 911" part of being a 911, too.

Agreed again. Don't get me wrong... I'm not trying to bash Porsche. In fact my favorite car in the world is the new GT2 RS. It eeks out the AM DBS in my book and I would take it over any car in the world (except maybe an F40)

I guess because money's tight in my camp at this point I tend to look at value in a different light these days. I mean I can't even afford my poor Z at this point.

Masa · 10-13-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I'm asking why the blond is charging so much for her services when the output is about the same as the brunettes.

I really don't want to start an internet fight since topics like this always lead to a lock.

My finally post in response to part of your comment is because they (Porsche) simply CAN. It's a "free" market and people with the means will buy what they want. It really is THAT simple I'm afraid.

In the end they are all great cars and as enthusiasts we should enjoy everything that is automotive related and stop with all the penis measuring that has been going on in this forum recently. Be happy with what you have and try not to get hung up on what the other person is driving.

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10-13-2011, 07:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	Op- I think Hyundai buyers say the same thing about all cars. Why pay this when you can pay this and get the exact same thing?!

10-13-2011, 07:24 PM	#28 (permalink)
mjg Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: nyc Posts: 243 Drives: 13' GT 500 Rep Power: 15	Driven a bunch of Porsche Carreras. They are fun cars, the sound of the engine behind you rumbling is great, and the feel of driving a go cart, that's refined, awesome vehicle. They are my favorite convertible, and I would have no problem having one as a DD. Even so -- I don't want one. I see why people like them. It's fair to wonder why people like them more, but have you driven one? As people keep saying, value is subjective, and a Z and a Porsche may be comparable in some respects, but are apples and oranges. There was a similar thread to this not so long ago, a guy who wanted to snatch up and older whale back Porsche, the guy had his mind made up, and it was a huge argument about why he was "trading down". I prefer a modern car, and love the 370 Z. To each their own... The cost of a Porsche is as irrelevant as the performance numbers when you compare them side by side.