2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 06:32 PM

So I'm looking over my new copy of Automobile magazine and I see they have an article on the new Porsche Carrera and Carrera S.

Carrera = 3.4L that puts out 350 hp / 288 ft lbs torque for $83,000

Say what?!

Why the hell wouldn't you...
1. Buy a GTR for that $$$ or...
2. Buy a Z, put about 10K into it and go faster around the track and look better?

WTF?

The Carrera S model puts out 400 hp but now we're dangerously close to 100k with a price tag of $97,000 and change. Arguably my Z is close to that power (depending on what dyno is used

) and I'm not even force inducted yet.

So you're telling me that some corporate exec boring douche really (that OBVIOUSLY has money) wants to drive that boring car?? With those measly specs??

What gives here? I mean even if the GTR isn't your cup of tea, there are more interesting cars in that price range with undoubtedly better specs as far as power goes.

PS: the interior is nice yes... but not $50,000 nicer than the Z touring. Really Porsche?

gpolak · 10-13-2011, 06:38 PM

While Porsche does overcharge for their cars because they can, you can't drive a spec sheet. I love driving my Z and have never had the pleasure of being behind the wheel of the Porsche so I can't compare, but doing a straight dollars to horsepower comparison is silly.

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 06:38 PM

KB, you'd be paying a premium for that luxury badge.

It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars.

I'd never pay that premium, but many do.

nmjaxx9 · 10-13-2011, 06:43 PM

Its a Porsche, just like Ralph Lauren or Ed Hardy, you buy it for name brand.

Masa · 10-13-2011, 06:47 PM

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

mjg · 10-13-2011, 06:48 PM

When you buy a Porsche, the reason is this simple, you want to buy a Porsche.
It's supply and demand. People want to buy the car and are willing to pay for it. Are you mad at them for selling the car for that cost, or the people who can afford and prefer the car? LOL.

The 370Z is an awesome car, I'm glad I can afford it, and love it. If all I wanted was a Porsche, and decided that I wanted one, I wouldn't be fooling myself, and driving around a 370z.

Ardent_Z · 10-13-2011, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpolak

While Porsche does overcharge for their cars because they can, you can't drive a spec sheet. I love driving my Z and have never had the pleasure of being behind the wheel of the Porsche so I can't compare, but doing a straight dollars to horsepower comparison is silly.

This.

Red__Zed · 10-13-2011, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masa

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

some of it is the badge, some of it is the extra refinement. you just find diminishing returns on your money as prices go up...

Mt Tam I am · 10-13-2011, 07:01 PM

$1800 tune ups. I just asked a guy yesterday about his 1995 911 (993).

The 4.1 0-60 time for the 2013 "S" is alright, gotta say.

Porsche delivers women. But then again $50,000 worth is questionable.

AllForTheCash · 10-13-2011, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad

It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars.

Waiz · 10-13-2011, 07:05 PM

What's funny is that Porsche nickel and dimes you for every little option too. Try pricing out a GT3!

I agree with you totally about the price to performance ratio but at the end of the day it's still a Porsche 911 and people will fork over the dough over a Z or GT-R when they can afford to and aren't really fans of Nissan's.

dirtrat · 10-13-2011, 07:06 PM

Not sure I really agree with you. I would much rather have a Porsche Carrera or Carrera S. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a Carrera S than a GTR, especially if you are talking about the 2012 Carrera.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masa

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

x1000

You buy a Porsche because you want a Porsche (and have the money).

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjg

When you buy a Porsche, the reason is this simple, you want to buy a Porsche.
It's supply and demand. People want to buy the car and are willing to pay for it. Are you mad at them for selling the car for that cost, or the people who can afford and prefer the car? LOL.

The 370Z is an awesome car, I'm glad I can afford it, and love it. If all I wanted was a Porsche, and decided that I wanted one, I wouldn't be fooling myself, and driving around a 370z.

Neither. I just don't think it's "refinement" or "build quality" is worth a difference of $50K over a Z.

And no, I don't think the "name" is worth the difference either. That's a huge margin.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Neither. I just don't think it's "refinement" or "build quality" is worth a difference of $50K over a Z.

And no, I don't think the "name" is worth the difference either. That's a huge margin.

911 is a totally different car than the Z. If you want to compare the Z to a Porsche, look at the Cayman. That's a far more reasonable comparo.

10-13-2011, 06:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 51 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 321	2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm... So I'm looking over my new copy of Automobile magazine and I see they have an article on the new Porsche Carrera and Carrera S. Carrera = 3.4L that puts out 350 hp / 288 ft lbs torque for $83,000 Say what?! Why the hell wouldn't you... 1. Buy a GTR for that $$$ or... 2. Buy a Z, put about 10K into it and go faster around the track and look better? WTF? The Carrera S model puts out 400 hp but now we're dangerously close to 100k with a price tag of $97,000 and change. Arguably my Z is close to that power (depending on what dyno is used ) and I'm not even force inducted yet. So you're telling me that some corporate exec boring douche really (that OBVIOUSLY has money) wants to drive that boring car?? With those measly specs?? What gives here? I mean even if the GTR isn't your cup of tea, there are more interesting cars in that price range with undoubtedly better specs as far as power goes. PS: the interior is nice yes... but not $50,000 nicer than the Z touring. Really Porsche?

10-13-2011, 06:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Masa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 2,237 Drives: Family Cars Rep Power: 20	Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads. P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8... __________________ BMW 340i Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk

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10-13-2011, 06:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
gpolak Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 55 Drives: 2010 370Z T/SP 6MT Rep Power: 14	While Porsche does overcharge for their cars because they can, you can't drive a spec sheet. I love driving my Z and have never had the pleasure of being behind the wheel of the Porsche so I can't compare, but doing a straight dollars to horsepower comparison is silly.

10-13-2011, 06:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	KB, you'd be paying a premium for that luxury badge. It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars. I'd never pay that premium, but many do.

10-13-2011, 06:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
nmjaxx9 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Middletown, Ct Posts: 5,853 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 25	Its a Porsche, just like Ralph Lauren or Ed Hardy, you buy it for name brand.

10-13-2011, 06:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
mjg Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: nyc Posts: 243 Drives: 13' GT 500 Rep Power: 15	When you buy a Porsche, the reason is this simple, you want to buy a Porsche. It's supply and demand. People want to buy the car and are willing to pay for it. Are you mad at them for selling the car for that cost, or the people who can afford and prefer the car? LOL. The 370Z is an awesome car, I'm glad I can afford it, and love it. If all I wanted was a Porsche, and decided that I wanted one, I wouldn't be fooling myself, and driving around a 370z.

10-13-2011, 07:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 459	What's funny is that Porsche nickel and dimes you for every little option too. Try pricing out a GT3! I agree with you totally about the price to performance ratio but at the end of the day it's still a Porsche 911 and people will fork over the dough over a Z or GT-R when they can afford to and aren't really fans of Nissan's.

10-13-2011, 07:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
dirtrat Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Sacramento Posts: 170 Drives: 2011 370Z/Touring/Sp Rep Power: 14	Not sure I really agree with you. I would much rather have a Porsche Carrera or Carrera S. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a Carrera S than a GTR, especially if you are talking about the 2012 Carrera.