Japan Announces 2035 ICE Ban - Long live the Z

FL 4Motion · 01-11-2021, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

When the military switches to EV's. That will be it. I don't foresee an EV tank anytime soon. I know they are working on some EV vehicles now. But to put it to service is decade or so away.

Hydrogen fuel cell powering an electric motor is the direction I last heard. Also needs to be able to run diesel or jp8 etc as backup. Not sure how that’s going or if still going. Batteries were never going to cut it.

Hydrogen fuel cell powered ev’s is the real long term answer I& your looking for comparable range, refuel times, minimal impact to/can work with existing infrastructure.

Of course, the limited range p, recharge issues, general $$$ needed for a battery ev POV might be exactly WHY that is the solution being pushed so hard. I’d like to say the free market will decide but it won’t be that simple.

There is a solution to the soulless self driving ev tho, converting your existing ice car to ev, still super connected driving experience, all you’re changing is the propulsion method, kind of like a middle ground. Check out ev west, they’re doing cool stuff like this to classic Porsches etc. it’s a cottage industry in its infancy but it’ll exploding over the next ten years I bet.

Rusty · 01-11-2021, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Hydrogen fuel cell powering an electric motor is the direction I last heard. Also needs to be able to run diesel or jp8 etc as backup. Not sure how that’s going or if still going. Batteries were never going to cut it.

Hydrogen fuel cell powered ev’s is the real long term answer I& your looking for comparable range, refuel times, minimal impact to/can work with existing infrastructure.

Of course, the limited range p, recharge issues, general $$$ needed for a battery ev POV might be exactly WHY that is the solution being pushed so hard. I’d like to say the free market will decide but it won’t be that simple.

There is a solution to the soulless self driving ev tho, converting your existing ice car to ev, still super connected driving experience, all you’re changing is the propulsion method, kind of like a middle ground. Check out ev west, they’re doing cool stuff like this to classic Porsches etc. it’s a cottage industry in its infancy but it’ll exploding over the next ten years I bet.

Chevy has a drag race CPO Camaro that is electric. The price is over $100,000.

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-12-2021, 09:00 AM

Hopefully I'll be dead or killed when all this happens. A big middle finger to anyone who desecrates our culture and constitution.

Ghostvette · 01-13-2021, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Hopefully I'll be dead or killed when all this happens. A big middle finger to anyone who desecrates our culture and constitution.

You'll be in the camps with a number tattoo'd on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more.

2017370ZBlack · 01-13-2021, 12:13 AM

With EV's, the only differences between manufacturers will be exterior and interior styling and features and build quality. The various brands will buy their electric motors from the same suppliers. It won't be like now where a Nissan has a Nissan-made engine, and a Chevrolet has a GM-made engine. I will never sell my 370Z, will buy a 400Z, and perhaps a used C7 Grand Sport as well!

Rusty · 01-13-2021, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

You'll be in the camps with a number tattoo'd on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more.

It won't be numbers on your arm. It will be a QR code on your forehead.

chowtoo · 01-13-2021, 08:41 AM

"You'll be in the camps with a number tattooed on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more."

This reminds me of the Bible prophesy in the book of Revelation, Chapter 13:
11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

Z_ealot · 01-13-2021, 12:58 PM

Jfc, didnt we create a rule on this forum to not bring politics into the regular discussion threads? Also, to the op.... that ban only applies to Japan itself, the manufacturers based there are still allowed to make ICE vehicles for the rest of the world, at least until everyone converts over to some alternative

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-13-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette

You'll be in the camps with a number tattoo'd on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more.

With 2 middle fingers up... lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-13-2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

Jfc, didnt we create a rule on this forum to not bring politics into the regular discussion threads? Also, to the op.... that ban only applies to Japan itself, the manufacturers based there are still allowed to make ICE vehicles for the rest of the world, at least until everyone converts over to some alternative

We might be walking a fine line. Im not talking directly about politics. Im saying... politics is f**king with my enthusiasm for cars. F*** all politicians. Love gas engine v6/v8s+. End of story.

viiv · 01-13-2021, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

Jfc, didnt we create a rule on this forum to not bring politics into the regular discussion threads? Also, to the op.... that ban only applies to Japan itself, the manufacturers based there are still allowed to make ICE vehicles for the rest of the world, at least until everyone converts over to some alternative

Yes, it only applies to Japan itself. But the point is, if you cut enough markets, it won't be profitable for Nissan to make the Z anymore for just a few select markets that still allow gas engines. When the 370Z premiered, it was sold in North America, Europe, Japan, Russia, Australia and the Middle East.

Now all that is left post-2035 is North America, Australia and the Middle East.

Also, you do realize that California and Massachusetts have already enacted a 2035 ban, with probably more states (and the incoming Harris administration) to follow suit?

Z_ealot · 01-13-2021, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by viiv

Yes, it only applies to Japan itself. But the point is, if you cut enough markets, it won't be profitable for Nissan to make the Z anymore for just a few select markets that still allow gas engines. When the 370Z premiered, it was sold in North America, Europe, Japan, Russia, Australia and the Middle East.

Now all that is left post-2035 is North America, Australia and the Middle East.

Also, you do realize that California and Massachusetts have already enacted a 2035 ban, with probably more states (and the incoming Harris administration) to follow suit?

The way your original post reads it sounds as if you're implying that Japan is ceasing production of ICE altogether which we know is not true, apologies if i misunderstood but that's just what i got out of your original post

01-12-2021, 09:00 AM	#33 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,683 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14854	Hopefully I'll be dead or killed when all this happens. A big middle finger to anyone who desecrates our culture and constitution. JARblue, Rusty and Ghostvette like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

01-13-2021, 12:13 AM	#35 (permalink)
2017370ZBlack Base Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Lake Mary, FL Posts: 60 Drives: 2017 370Z Black 6MT Rep Power: 3	With EV's, the only differences between manufacturers will be exterior and interior styling and features and build quality. The various brands will buy their electric motors from the same suppliers. It won't be like now where a Nissan has a Nissan-made engine, and a Chevrolet has a GM-made engine. I will never sell my 370Z, will buy a 400Z, and perhaps a used C7 Grand Sport as well! Rusty likes this.

01-13-2021, 08:41 AM	#37 (permalink)
chowtoo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: MI Posts: 62 Drives: 2018-370Z-red-manual Rep Power: 1237	"You'll be in the camps with a number tattooed on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more." This reminds me of the Bible prophesy in the book of Revelation, Chapter 13: 11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666. Last edited by chowtoo; 01-13-2021 at 08:44 AM.

01-13-2021, 12:58 PM	#38 (permalink)
Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,014 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 3376	Jfc, didnt we create a rule on this forum to not bring politics into the regular discussion threads? Also, to the op.... that ban only applies to Japan itself, the manufacturers based there are still allowed to make ICE vehicles for the rest of the world, at least until everyone converts over to some alternative UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

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