Japan Announces 2035 ICE Ban - Long live the Z

datcipher

Thought you guys might be interested in that commercial. I remember being pretty shocked when I first saw it. Not shocked by the content - many realize this is the future that some are aiming for - but by the fact that a huge mainstream corporation just put it right out there. Kudos to them.

https://youtu.be/wmkaUS6BFAs

The only good thing I can say is that, Musk's con-man style false claims aside, true full self-driving is still years away.

Zyonara91

This is what I think. Cruise ships etc will go nuclear powered. Airplanes will find a new source of energy that burns cleaner than what we have now.

As for ICE cars, it's inevitable that they will phase out the ICE. Those that have them will be able to keep them but I have a feeling they will add additional taxes and fees to keep them running (Emission tests, plate renewals, finding the RIGHT type of fuel and so forth).

I mean look at the carbon tax here in Canada, by 2030, if I recall correctly, the price of regular gasoline (87) will be jumping by 40 cents. Like wtf. . . I will be paying close to, if not more than $2 a litre for premium gasoline, what a rip. They better find a way to mass produce electric cars and make them super affordable and reliable ASAP. As for costs, I'm sure the governments will find a way to tax additionally electric cars, such as battery disposal feels, additional fees for purchasing the battery, fees for discarding the rubber from the tires and whatever else. The cost of electricity will also be going up, that's for sure. I just don't want to wait for 30 mins in one spot for my car to sufficiently charge, that to if there isn't a line up already at the "refill" station.

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Cyber370

Today’s batteries as a power source for cars is unsustainable. There aren’t enough resources on the planet to make the amount of batteries that would be required to replace even half of the worlds ICE cars by electric ones. We won’t even get into the trucking industry and commercial aviation. Then there’s the increased demand on the existing electric power grid which would need to be expanded. Tree huggers would love that idea. So, forget batteries. But unfortunately, electric motors are probably the future. We just don’t know what the power source will be yet. Or, it might all change for ICE if a clean and renewable fuel can be concocted to replace gasoline. Who knows.

But yeah, electric cars become extremely boring, extremely fast. Goes to show that it’s not about how fast a car gets you from point A to B. It’s about the visceral sensation of feel and sound. This is the main reason that electric motorcycles are not very popular even though that makes more sense than an electric car.

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Ventruck

Only time will tell. The progress we made from the Tesla Model S and Fisker Karma (if you see those as a fair checkpoint) has been pretty substantial in terms of volume/availability.

I don't think it'll be the cars, but the infrastructure that presents a challenge. 10-15 years, I'm not sure if we'll have charging stations on-par with the volume and turnaround time of gas stations.

Rusty

The other thing with an EV is that once you buy it. Then you have to put in a charging station at your house. Now you have to figure out how many amps you need for it. Then figure out your panel box. If you have a 100 amp box. Figure you will need to go to a 200 amp panel. How many people can afford to up grade their panel boxes. Most places, you have to have a licensed electrician to do it. Another thing, if you have to park in the street. Do you run a cord from the house out to the EV. Then do you trust the neighborhood. If you live in an area with a HOA. How will they handle it? Most HOA's are full of azzholes that control them.

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Asus_

I can see them successfully implementing a ban on the "sale of new" ICE cars which will just simply cause new production of ice cars to a halt and put focus into hybrid. It'll just be whatever is out there in terms of 100% ice is what will remain until generations of ICE drivers no longer are here to purchase and drive them.

I doubt they'll be able to outright outlaw both the driving of ICE cars and driving itself and force driverless cars on us. Should this happen and they can successfully deal with the fallout of such a thing then this will be beyond our life time and we will be long dead.

It hurts my head to think of everything that would need to change all around the world in order to facilitate something like this and im not even talking about the logistical nightmare that this would cause. It'll rattle the world and the disruption it'd cause in both old & new systems in effect would be devastating, let alone would it could do to our economy. It would seriously require an unprecedented focus and major shift simultaneously with the rest of the superpowers worldwide to get us there.

Ultimately, the market will decide what happens in the future. People seem to think that the world is loving electric cars, they arent, they love tesla's. The government can tell us about all the changes they'd like to make, doesn't mean its going to happen. Trends change, directions shift, pushback & appeals prolong and are successful, and lastly governments change as well. There really is no point for any of us to worry about this in our life time.


Edit: Mind you, with all that i said...I'm not opposed to electric cars, electric does have its place and if i could afford it, it'd have an electric as a daily where i dont care how i get to point A to B but i'll always have something i can play with, work on and use during the summer and weekends. That's where the Z fits, and what it does perfectly.

Rusty

When the military switches to EV's. That will be it. I don't foresee an EV tank anytime soon. I know they are working on some EV vehicles now. But to put it to service is decade or so away.

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NecioVato

Like Asus mentioned - the world isn't loving EVs - they are loving Teslas. The govt can ban the sale of new ICE mobiles but how about the infrastructure to fuel those EVs - does that mean eventually we will see gas stations turn into a combination of the 2 - gas stations on one side and then EV fueling on the other? One of the greatest accomplishments and reasons to buy a Tesla is their super charge fueling stations so one can make a trip from CA to FL and know you won't be stranded bc of the fueling station network they have built.

Overall I think the EV will be the only vehicle sold eventually thus phasing out the ICE mobile - but....I think it will be much longer than we expect (not bc of a lack of technology) but bc of the cost associated with it. Just think the govt offered huge rebates on taxes if you got an EV but even like that - how many EVs have been purchased bc of that govt subsidy - not as many as they would have hoped and EVs are still expensive even with the govt subsidy.
We might see something like hybrid engines where vehicles that are traveling under a certain MPH - use a hybrid engine but after you hit a certain speed - it uses gas to circumvent the 'ban of ICE mobiles'

ZeeingAround

The were working on Miltary vehicle EVs back in the 90's 5 minutes from my home. General Dynamics. I was friends with the engineer on the several projects mostly turbine generator_> battery and Electric propulsion. The EMI would wipe out most sensitive electronics and also create an easy signature to spot, track and target.

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Ghostvette

I'm not sure military EVs are going to be possible, unless they come up with a reliable way to shunt the EMI to ground. The COMSEC equipment I worked on had RF shielding like you wouldn't believe. A 4" x 4" circuit board, surrounded by 3" of wire mesh and steel.

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2017370ZBlack

Totally agree with the original poster.

My personal list of ICE sports cars to acquire before 2035 end of production:

2017 370Z (acquired)
20xx 400Z
C7 Corvette (the only GM product I've ever liked)

This should be good to keep me happy till I die.

viiv

Sadly, Massachusetts just joined California.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/massachus...hicles-by-2035

With the incoming Harris admin, pretty sure the writing is on the wall for the rest of the country

Ghostvette

Ve are comink for your ICE cars...you vill have papers to travel....

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ZoomZ

I think when it all settles in with everyone, Plug in hybrid or Hybrid will be the compromise. With the ICE portion getting smaller and smaller. Maybe 1 Cyl.

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TobinH

eh I'm just going to keep my 370Z and my old motorbike forever.