Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 11:56 AM

I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you.

Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting.

How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice.

The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new?

Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in.

warpeacelove · 10-06-2015, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you.

Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting.

How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice.

The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new?

Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in.

Some folks are just hard headed. Let them continue on

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

So because you and vivid spents xxx amounts of money with gtm and small joe on the forum only spent x amount. You guys deserve higher priority and prompt attention? Sorry man, but that condescending attitude is what drove that business to the ground. This forum is full of potential customers like small joe, and your words doesn't instill much confidence right now. I hope this new company learn from that mistake and start treating each one of their customer, large or small, with the same level of respect and service, and not just the selected few. So far gamma haven't shown any signs of that. So before we start talking about possible vendor status. How about making amends with all the unhappy customers first! That's how you earn credibility and establish new client base. It's basic business 101. Not this "We are not legally or morrally obligated" bull crap. If you don't think there is anything wrong with the way this company answered its potential customer, you're very much contributing to its problem. And I don't care if their products are the best in the business (which I highhly doubt), if they can't establish trust with their customers base, they will be gone quicker than you can spell out C A N C E R.

Possible vendor :

yeah, good luck with that!

Reading Comprehension FAIL...

No one has stated they receive priority treatment based on amounts paid. However, what was stated is that because we spent so much money we made it a priority to know the interworkings of that company. This comes from building relationships and having constant communications... Usually meaning if GTM didnt answer the phone or we werent able to get the answer we wanted. We called up again that same day, we sent email follow ups after every call. We travelled out to the shop... On big builds like mine and Zeliminator this is almost a must no matter who is building your car.

This isnt being condescending this is being real! yeah someone may have lost $5k but does that compare to $26k like Zeliminator? are you really comparing the two? When I stated that those who spent more and are on the hook for more arent running for the pitchforks and are not blaming Gamma. We are taking a more rational and logical approach. By all means blame Gamma all you want. but facts are facts you can ignore them all you want and all it will do is make you look the fool.

I am taking a calmer head to the situation because I consider my money lost and anything I get in return is only a bonus! Do I want a full refund? HELL YEAH! Will I get the full refund? NO... Its a reality I have come to grips with. Call it lessons learned and I do all my own work now.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE THEY LIABLE MORALLY OR LEGALLY!!! THEY BOUGHT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!

Your whole premise is based on inaccurate information what you see and hear on the forum. If they bought the business from Sam including assets then yes they would have a liability both legally and morally. Sam tried to sell the business several times and couldnt reach agreements with any of the possible buyers. I was not trying to put this out there but The only deal he could bring down was just for the intellectual rights and the relationships with manufacturers. This is based on the second hand information I received from insiders.

Tiller, Have you called them? Have you emailed them about your situation and sent them the invoices? I had to take the first steps to even get a response.

If we dont do the due dillegence we cant expect a new company to go find every bad situation GTM did. Just as an FYI... Sam was a horrible record keeper from what I saw and heard and with his health situation it got way worse! You hoped something didnt get left on his desk. It was known by several people that anything that landed on his desk was lost forever.

tiller · 10-06-2015, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Reading Comprehension FAIL...

No one has stated they receive priority treatment based on amounts paid. However, what was stated is that because we spent so much money we made it a priority to know the interworkings of that company. This comes from building relationships and having constant communications... Usually meaning if GTM didnt answer the phone or we werent able to get the answer we wanted. We called up again that same day, we sent email follow ups after every call. We travelled out to the shop... On big builds like mine and Zeliminator this is almost a must no matter who is building your car.

This isnt being condescending this is being real! yeah someone may have lost $5k but does that compare to $26k like Zeliminator? are you really comparing the two? When I stated that those who spent more and are on the hook for more arent running for the pitchforks and are not blaming Gamma. We are taking a more rational and logical approach. By all means blame Gamma all you want. but facts are facts you can ignore them all you want and all it will do is make you look the fool.

I am taking a calmer head to the situation because I consider my money lost and anything I get in return is only a bonus! Do I want a full refund? HELL YEAH! Will I get the full refund? NO... Its a reality I have come to grips with. Call it lessons learned and I do all my own work now.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ARE THEY LIABLE MORALLY OR LEGALLY!!! THEY BOUGHT INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!

Your whole premise is based on inaccurate information what you see and hear on the forum. If they bought the business from Sam including assets then yes they would have a liability both legally and morally. Sam tried to sell the business several times and couldnt reach agreements with any of the possible buyers. I was not trying to put this out there but The only deal he could bring down was just for the intellectual rights and the relationships with manufacturers. This is based on the second hand information I received from insiders.

Tiller, Have you called them? Have you emailed them about your situation and sent them the invoices? I had to take the first steps to even get a response.

If we dont do the due dillegence we cant expect a new company to go find every bad situation GTM did. Just as an FYI... Sam was a horrible record keeper from what I saw and heard and with his health situation it got way worse! You hoped something didnt get left on his desk. It was known by several people that anything that landed on his desk was lost forever.

Yes bullitt I sent my receipt and called many times,they told me if I want my kit in 2weeks it will cost me an extra 4000$,or else I should just be patient and stop calling,wait till December or January and then maybe get the rest of my parts at that time,meaning they have a kit started of mine so they dident just buy INTELLECTUAL property they have my kit which they themselves say that have just isent finished,I will not bad mouth gamma until I find out for myself that I am out 8500 for sure and they themselves have scammed me like Sam did,AND I have recorded conversations with them saying my kit was 97 % finished,then they said 70% finished in another conversation,so if I have to fly to California I will but hopefully i don't have to spend more hard earned money on something I already paid for.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman71

^^ Remember that the $8,500 you paid was for a discounted group buy run by a scammer. Not retail price for a single Kit and not including any add-ons

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiller

Yes bullitt I sent my receipt and called many times,they told me if I want my kit in 2weeks it will cost me an extra 4000$,or else I should just be patient and stop calling,wait till December or January and then maybe get the rest of my parts at that time,meaning they have a kit started of mine so they dident just buy INTELLECTUAL propertythey have my kit which they themselves say that have just isent finished,I will not bad mouth gamma until I find out for myself that I am out 8500 for sure and they themselves have scammed me like Sam did,AND I have recorded conversations with them saying my kit was 97 % finished,then they said 70% finished in another conversation,so if I have to fly to California I will but hopefully i don't have to spend more hard earned money on something I already paid for.

So much for the theories that gamma only bought "intellectual properties" from gtm. Please continue to amuse us. We'd love to hear how gamma isn't holding parts owed to gtm's customers

tiller · 10-06-2015, 11:32 AM

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

FPenvy · 10-06-2015, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiller

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

grab some lube.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warpeacelove

I Have Spent over $17K with GTM.

Congrats, brah. You the exclusive club!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiller

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

If your name isn't bullit, vivid or warpeacelove

your current two options are:

1. Work with gamma.

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2. File a small claim case

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zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiller

what about guys in my situation ?,nobody has contacted me about my stage 2 sc kit I paid in full for less then a year ago

You are the victim of a scam. Unfortunately I highly doubt you will be contacted by anyone because the only person to blame for that is Sam. Im sure he will not be following up with anyone.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 12:09 PM

And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here.

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here.

So just continue to volley blame around until you get reparation? And by you I mean any customer that was wronged by GTM.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbreath

So just continue to volley blame around until you get reparation? And by you I mean any customer that was wronged by GTM.

YES.

When my fellow z brethren gets kicked around in bad business practices I will NOT sit idly and watch it contiue. I will however raise my voice if it can get some attention to help get him some resolutions. And I will continue to speak out to warn people of this shady company and become a potential victim

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is simply normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here to go on, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

zguynate · 10-06-2015, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

YES.

When my fellow z brethren gets kicked around in bad business practices I will NOT sit idly and watch it contiue. I will however raise my voice if it can get some attention to help get him some resolutions. And I will continue to speak out to warn people of this shady company and become a potential victim

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is simply normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here to go on, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

I whole heartedly agree with what you are saying. Thats one reason why I love the Z community. We have each others back. The reason Sam and GTM were kicked off is because it was in fact a scam. But Gamma has become a victim by association. I also agree that hiring Sam was an absurdly bad idea, and it bit them in the ***. But the fact of the matter is, Gamma hasn't done anything wrong to the community yet lol. At least allow them the chance to do good before you stick a fork in them.

bullitt5897 · 10-06-2015, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

YES.

When my fellow z brethren gets kicked around in bad business practices I will NOT sit idly and watch it contiue. I will however raise my voice if it can get some attention to help get him some resolutions. And I will continue to speak out to warn people of this shady company and become a potential victim

Don't estimate the power of this community when we come together. Have you guys forgotten that it was out voices that quickly put that scammer out the door? Unlike some of you (bullit, vivid, birdman) who think nothing can be done or nothing should be done, and that everything going down is just normal business conducts. I think I speak for the majority of this community that we will not tollerate bad business practices here, especially when so many people have been a victimized by it. You continue to bring it we will continue to knock it down.

Again Reading comprehension fail!!!!!

We are stating you have to go get yours if you want yours. But also note this company is a new company with the only link to the old GTM was the bought intellectual Property.....

Yes you can raise your voice all you want but there will be a point that you will do more harm than good! When a Company sees a Market as unfavorable they move on and all those who were trying to get reperations get screwed because you had a chip on your shoulder trying to save the whole world.

So to the audience reading this thread: You have a few choices...

1. Keep a calm head and read the facts laid out in this thread by me and several others who actually knew what was going on. Make an educated decision and buy through an intermediary like Todd @ vivid

2. Grab your pitchfork and burn all the bridges without giving the company a chance to rectify the situation. Like Zbrah is doing...

3. Stay silent and watch it unfold.

The choice is yours...

BC416 · 10-06-2015, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Again Reading comprehension fail!!!!!

We are stating you have to go get yours if you want yours. But also note this company is a new company with the only link to the old GTM was the bought intellectual Property.....

Yes you can raise your voice all you want but there will be a point that you will do more harm than good! When a Company sees a Market as unfavorable they move on and all those who were trying to get reperations get screwed because you had a chip on your shoulder trying to save the whole world.

So to the audience reading this thread: You have a few choices...

1. Keep a calm head and read the facts laid out in this thread by me and several others who actually knew what was going on. Make an educated decision and buy through an intermediary like Todd @ vivid

2. Grab your pitchfork and burn all the bridges without giving the company a chance to rectify the situation. Like Zbrah is doing...

3. Stay silent and watch it unfold.

The choice is yours...

You do realize there is a sticky at the top of this forum that states: "Gamma = GTM".?

10-06-2015, 11:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 74	I am blown away by the responses in this thread. I have absolutely no idea how the concept has yet to be grasped by some of you. Look at it this way.... Gamma is a completely different entity than GTM. Everyone keeps talking about making amends with unhappy customers. Which customers? As far as I know, Gamma hasn't had any unhappy customers. As a matter of fact, anyone that has actually spent money at Gamma seems to be pretty happy from what THEY are posting. How are you supposed to blame a company for another companies bad business practices, then demand that they give you free stuff? I say free stuff because Gamma has paid for the manufacture of turbo kits, and are expected to give them away for no payment from GTM's old customers. From what Bullitt just said, Gamma bought the intellectual properties. They didnt inherit a bunch of full turbo kits laying around. Think about this logically, how do you expect Gamma to survive as a business if they pay thousands of dollars to manufacture turbo kits to give them away to some other companies pissed off customers? Does that make any sense to any of you? Would you do that? No you wouldn't. THAT is bad business practice. The fact that Gamma is even offering anything to GTM's old customers shows to me that their morality is better than most. Hiring Sam was a bad idea. A really bad idea. In the eyes of most of you with your fire and pitchforks, there is nothing they can do right simply because they 1) bought intellectual property from GTM and 2) had Sam as an employee. They fired Sam, and you still aren't happy. What do you really expect from a company that is brand new? Look, it sucks. Sam should be in jail for what he did, however he is protected under bankruptcy laws. That is how the business world works. Gamma saw an opportunity to grab some great products (intellectual property apparently, very little hard product) at a discounted price and decided to capitalize on it, yet they are being held responsible for something they had no hand in. warpeacelove, birdman71, wideglideleon and 1 others like this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package Last edited by zguynate; 10-06-2015 at 11:58 AM.

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Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5453	And we will continue to make sure potential customers steer clear of this company. They don't deserve the businesses here and prey on people. You bring up a other thread and we will be here. JARblue, FPenvy, elperuano and 2 others like this. __________________

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