Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

Zbrah

Legally they are not but morally they are selling parts that belongs to the guys in the group buy. Those guys are members of this community. We are all here to support one another if some people have forgotten that. Gamma is banned from here and myg37 for a reason. I still stand by my comment.

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birdman71

I understand the morality behind them selling kits that are already mostly paid for by members of the group buy, but everyone has to also understand how business works. If a company like GTM goes under and another investor company like GAMMA comes along and picks up whatever product there actually was and then looks at the whole list of people that Sam screwed over, They have to charge something on the kits, otherwise they are giving out free kits to people that bought product that was never produced in the first place, and now are giving out their product in replacement of Sam's idiocy. (remember knowing Sam I guarantee he didn't have much product to sell in that time for the group buy, honestly that whole group buy was a scam besides the couple kits that have gone out because some one has bled it out of Sam)

That would bankrupt the company faster than Sam went bankrupt. They are immorally taking the product but its not like they are not offering it. In theory yes it would be great for every single person from the group buy gets their kit with a bow on it at their front door, BUT in reality it doesn't work that way in a scam run by a different company. Yes these people in the group buy put their hard earned money into the product and should received their product from GTM, that's why if you have a problem with the morality of the situation its best to get your product from the person who owes it to you (Sam), either that or a refund through the Lawsuit. I'm not at all disagreeing with everyone getting their money or parts, but you can't expect the new company that just invested in the parts to just hand those out .

Wouldn't it be much easier to pay 2k more than to sit in a line of lawsuits against Sam?; hoping he doesn't declare bankruptcy and then everyone in the group buy is screwed
I know this is easier said than done, and understand that supporting one another as a community is why we are all here and I do support that I am just a realist and look at things straight on. I know the 2k isn't fair to the people that already "paid in full" but remember your "paid in full" was part of a group order at a discounted price by GTM. not Gamma Motors.
The fact of wanting another 2k is the price to actually have a kit paid in full. From my knowledge a full TT kit by itself at a retail value with no add-ons is about 10k. I remember from the other thread I saw a lot of I paid 7k, 8k, 8.5k down on the kit. Well technically from a single kit stand point vrs a group buy (that gamma motors did not authorize) the avg 2k is about right on the amount owed on the kits.

if you are not to sure about ordering from GAMMA motors than wait for a shop to order the kit for you and get it and then pay your shop once they get it.


Work a deal with Gamma Motors or Get in line in the lawsuits

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vividracing

As most of you know, I have a Stage 1 G37 kit in stock, in my building, and I have added discounts on the first 6 kits (SC or TT) I sell and will pass savings on to you. Payment is to Vivid Racing via PayPal, Credit or Debit. This is not a special order item so cancellations are permitted prior to items shipping out. I will do 50% down (fully refundable) on any kit not on the shelf ready to ship. For what is on the shelf (stage 2 SC kits) I will babysit the order, request tracking immediately and wait patiently with you for it to arrive. Any issues I will deal with Gamma directly as your advocate.

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TopgunZ

How do you keep ending up with these kits if you don't mind me asking? You had this "special deal" on a kit about 4 months ago and then you sold it...now you have another one from a company not selling them to anyone else....just curious.

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Ill

He said in the other thread that the previous deal fell through because the customer didn't want to pay the extra cost to convert it to a 370z from the G kit.

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JARblue

Absolutely agree! I saw a text/email posted somewhere where the Gamma owner said they are not legally or morally obligated to do anything. I understand the legal loopholes they are using to avoid paying customers that got screwed, but morally these guys are already bankrupt. That is precisely the kind of attitude I would expect from management willing to hire someone like Sam. We know exactly what kind of people these guys are. There is no doubt that these guys knew exactly what they were doing and were looking to take advantage of the situation. Without making a significant number of people in this community whole again, they do not deserve a dime of business from this community. IMO anyone who says otherwise either has something to lose from a personal standpoint (i.e. they've already given Gamma their money) or they just don't care about the community

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bullitt5897

Loopholes?

Do you know the transaction Sam had with Gamma? Do you have details of the deal? Do you know exactly what they bought? Do you know the revisions of the deal or how many it took?

I can tell you I have seen and heard first hand the high level details... In no way shape or form do they owe anything! Legally or Morally.... What you see from Todd, Zeliminator and Myself is the sanity of the situation. We know more than most. I know way more than a majority and I can tell you the high level of what went down.

They bought the intellectual property to the kits along with a few other products. They also re-established vendor/manufacturer relationships. They did indeed part ways with Sam. Despite what most of you choose to believe they are here to make products. The fact they are working with many of us says leaps and bounds to their morality!

So before we grab our torches and pitchforks lets get a hold of the facts! Stop making emotional decisions and start being logical. If anyone has a right to make an emotional decision its Zeliminator and myself. We have spent more money with Sam and GTM than most pay for their cars. This is also why we are so close to the knowledge of whats going on... You spend this kind of money you make sure you know whats going on with the business.

So lets keep it civil and keep this on topic to what people are experiencing with Gamma so the Admins and others will have first hand accounts of peoples dealings with the possible vendor.

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JARblue

Ok, we don't have to call them legal loopholes. We can call it capitalism: business (i.e. $$$) > consumer. It's just the way it works when a company owes customers more money than they have and declares bankruptcy. Call it what you will. I never claimed to know any of the details. But if it looks like a scam and smells like a scam, it's probably a scam. Gamma doesn't look to be directly scamming customers at this point, I'm happy to see, and I never said otherwise.

But there is still a problem with Gamma in regards to the morality of the whole situation:

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bullitt5897

Lets clear this up. GAMMA is not selling previously sold kits to people... There is no morality issue here. I was in the shop a few months before GTM moved. I had several people in and out of the shop as well. I can tell you this as a fact. The inventory Sam had was not of complete kits as a matter of fact he didnt have much in the way of partial kits... They were finished and shipped out. When Gamma bought the intellectual property they had to start from scratch. Inventory was extremely limited when they bought in. If you guys were actually in the shop leading up to the transaction you would know this.

Stop trying to make connections where there is none. Here is the biggest issue. We all got burned by GTM! Does it Suck YES! in the case for some of us its worse than others. Now GAMMA a new company owned by different people bought the intellectual property to the SC'r and TT kits along with some other misc. products. They opened up shop in a new facility that Sam had procured. (to those saying why do they have to be in the US... these guys are based out of the middle east... you want to pay that shipping cost?). Gamma is both a different legal entity and different ownership and management. All the inventory is new and fresh. None of the inventory consisted of previously sold kits.

Now that we are straight... back on topic...

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JARblue

I'm not sure this was ever made clear

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warpeacelove

I Have Spent over $17K with GTM.

jwick

GTM bought equipment and parts from the deposits of unfortunate group buy customers of the then MHI, now redubbed V3, kit. Any person buying a V3 kit from Gamma is buying what I would consider stolen goods from good hardworking forum members of both this site and myG37.com.

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