Nissan 370Z Forum  

TSM makes 357RWHP NA on a Stock Longblock VQ37

Originally Posted by daisuke149 The Z1 Dyno is not generous. Ive seen too many stock 370 put down 372ish and nismos around 385-390 . Ive seen cars that should make

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain


Like Tree103Likes

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-07-2014, 10:49 AM   #76 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FPenvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 38,517
Drives: 15 GT-R BE/09 370Z
Rep Power: 1402084
FPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daisuke149 View Post
The Z1 Dyno is not generous. Ive seen too many stock 370 put down 372ish and nismos around 385-390. Ive seen cars that should make power, make it and cars that have some issues not.

Its a dynojet. Same as TopSpeed's. Really no way to play with numbers unless they can control the environment. I think the issue most people have is that GA isn't exactly high altitude. So if anything, other dyno's read lower, but these 2 should be accurate.

There was a dyno day this past saturday. With alot of Z's dynoing. I missed the first 4 hours so im not sure what happened, but the numbers I saw looked consistant with the dyno's and mods.
372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol
Chuck33079 and synolimit like this.
__________________
324whp/258wtq AAM Tuned |F.I. NonRes CF CBE/NonRes TestPipes #373|UpRev Tuner|Akuma Motorsports Intakes|Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler
Quote:
Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. View Post
Yes, they are Tony approved! Frank, when I get around to it, I may put your pipes into production. We will call them, "The FP" option.
-Tony
FPenvy is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 10:50 AM   #77 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Chuck33079's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Houston
Posts: 12,265
Drives: 2011 370ztt
Rep Power: 29538
Chuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

One run down the strip puts all this to bed.
FPenvy and TheBoomSpoon like this.
__________________
2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent
Chuck33079 is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 10:54 AM   #78 (permalink)
My *** is famous!
 
daisuke149's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Alpharetta, GA
Posts: 4,849
Drives: 2013 Boss 302 PW
Rep Power: 31
daisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond reputedaisuke149 has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to daisuke149
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy View Post
372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol
yeah 2 lolol. 3 woulda been something.

Not backing them due to friends, backing them because i see all the dyno's constantly posted by people all over the country. Because my own car has hit multiple dyno's in the GA area also as have alot of the cars in this area.

and yes a run down the strip could prove something. But then again, a run on the strip at GA with 90degrees and 70% humidity will yield diff results than the same car same strip at 67 degrees and 10% humidity (and the way GA weather is, this could be the same day!)
daisuke149 is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 10:57 AM   #79 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Chuck33079's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Houston
Posts: 12,265
Drives: 2011 370ztt
Rep Power: 29538
Chuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond reputeChuck33079 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

GA doesn't have the market cornered on heat and humidity. Trap speed would tell a lot more than one overcorrected dyno plot with a baseline from another car no matter what outside temps are.
fuct likes this.
__________________
2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent
Chuck33079 is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 10:57 AM   #80 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FPenvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 38,517
Drives: 15 GT-R BE/09 370Z
Rep Power: 1402084
FPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by daisuke149 View Post
yeah 2 lolol. 3 woulda been something.

Not backing them due to friends, backing them because i see all the dyno's constantly posted by people all over the country. Because my own car has hit multiple dyno's in the GA area also as have alot of the cars in this area.

and yes a run down the strip could prove something. But then again, a run on the strip at GA with 90degrees and 70% humidity will yield diff results than the same car same strip at 67 degrees and 10% humidity (and the way GA weather is, this could be the same day!)
most people here will understand the ET/trap difference based on weather conditions if they list them. most strips post the current conditions on the time slip. not all but most do that i've been to or seen.
__________________
324whp/258wtq AAM Tuned |F.I. NonRes CF CBE/NonRes TestPipes #373|UpRev Tuner|Akuma Motorsports Intakes|Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler
Quote:
Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. View Post
Yes, they are Tony approved! Frank, when I get around to it, I may put your pipes into production. We will call them, "The FP" option.
-Tony
FPenvy is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 10:58 AM   #81 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FPenvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 38,517
Drives: 15 GT-R BE/09 370Z
Rep Power: 1402084
FPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck33079 View Post
GA doesn't have the market cornered on heat and humidity. Trap speed would tell a lot more than one overcorrected dyno plot with a baseline from another car no matter what outside temps are.
yea come to PA lol worlds most diverse climate. this winter we had a month where we didnt break 0 and in summer it'll be 90's and 100% humidity FML just thinking about it lol thank you 34 row oil cooler.
__________________
324whp/258wtq AAM Tuned |F.I. NonRes CF CBE/NonRes TestPipes #373|UpRev Tuner|Akuma Motorsports Intakes|Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler
Quote:
Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. View Post
Yes, they are Tony approved! Frank, when I get around to it, I may put your pipes into production. We will call them, "The FP" option.
-Tony
FPenvy is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 11:28 AM   #82 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Megan370z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,156
Drives: 370z
Rep Power: 23
Megan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond reputeMegan370z has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcosta79 View Post
What concerns me is that we are being shown a before dyno of 272 (correct me if I am wrong) and an after dyno of 361 (again, correct me if I am wrong) which means we are looking at a supposed gain of 89 RWHP. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. These are either dyno sheets of 2 different cars and/or they were taken at 2 different periods of time. Show me the before dyno of the same car and the after dyno of the same car taken on the same day (or close to it) with all the other factors being the same, and then let's talk turkey.
.
In my opinion and the testing Ive done in the pass tells me there is much more the VVEL engine can give than what we been used to..

I mostly always did a (before / after) after each modification and its has been repeatable every time.

2 years ago I managed a gain of 68whp and with the current knowledge that we gathered for the pass year . I have no doubt about this 80+gain especially with E85 which proved gain in N/A form same with good race gas, also add the fact the VVEL is now fully tunable by Pro Tuner which can add quite a bit depending on your intake/exhaust setup

at 360whp their 3'' single is actually restricting the flow just saying.
jaytirbhaw and Elmo370z like this.
__________________
Megan Journal *Click Me* ....................One Man Team Motorsport *Click Me*
Megan370z is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 12:19 PM   #83 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
jwick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 14,532
Drives: '10 G37 6MT
Rep Power: 2465056
jwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy View Post
372,385-390? do you mean 272, 285-290 i'm guessing?

seems like anyone with GA or ATL in their location spot are the ones backing all this. either it is something with the location or just friends helping friends lol
I need to get on that dyno. I'd probably make 550whp
FPenvy likes this.
__________________
'10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

jwick is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 12:57 PM   #84 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 223
Drives: 2009 370z 7at
Rep Power: 11
TheBoomSpoon is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy View Post
yea well first step in this is for them to talk about what is even being done with it and help out the community....which this is.

trap speed would be cool to see. it better be big for all this talk and "high" numbers. i mean with my tiny WHP i trapped pretty high a few times for N/A. interested to see if this will ever be shown.
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
TheBoomSpoon is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 01:06 PM   #85 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 223
Drives: 2009 370z 7at
Rep Power: 11
TheBoomSpoon is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Megan370z View Post
In my opinion and the testing Ive done in the pass tells me there is much more the VVEL engine can give than what we been used to..

I mostly always did a (before / after) after each modification and its has been repeatable every time.

2 years ago I managed a gain of 68whp and with the current knowledge that we gathered for the pass year . I have no doubt about this 80+gain especially with E85 which proved gain in N/A form same with good race gas, also add the fact the VVEL is now fully tunable by Pro Tuner which can add quite a bit depending on your intake/exhaust setup

at 360whp their 3'' single is actually restricting the flow just saying.
E85 always the unmentioned mod. Larger injectors and whatever else is required for e85 simply isnt normally in the heads of ppl when we think NA 370z.

Waych yhe 360 whp car do the qtt at 12.6 - 12.7 only then to be told, oh yeah i have 4.08 gears.

Plus manual vs auto effecys dyno #s i was told m370 affects my peak hp (lower), my point a million variables, spend 20 bucks and jam it down the qtr. Im no drag expert and at least in the 7at its pretty damn easy

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
TheBoomSpoon is offline  
Old 05-07-2014, 01:12 PM   #86 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
FPenvy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Posts: 38,517
Drives: 15 GT-R BE/09 370Z
Rep Power: 1402084
FPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond reputeFPenvy has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon View Post
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
yes 110.74 and i'm on stock gears.
megalapagas likes this.
__________________
324whp/258wtq AAM Tuned |F.I. NonRes CF CBE/NonRes TestPipes #373|UpRev Tuner|Akuma Motorsports Intakes|Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler
Quote:
Originally Posted by F.I. Inc. View Post
Yes, they are Tony approved! Frank, when I get around to it, I may put your pipes into production. We will call them, "The FP" option.
-Tony
FPenvy is offline  
Old 05-17-2014, 09:52 PM   #87 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 223
Drives: 2009 370z 7at
Rep Power: 11
TheBoomSpoon is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FPenvy View Post
yes 110.74 and i'm on stock gears.
Me too but its stupid difficult to go 4.08 on the 7at. Nobody wants anything to with that project so im stock gear also. Was told i would have to buy another quaife for manual after doing gears sincr the onr i have for auto id need to sell or eat it.



Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
TheBoomSpoon is offline  
Old 05-18-2014, 12:38 AM   #88 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
synolimit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,051
Drives: 2013 Silver 370z
Rep Power: 3388
synolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoomSpoon View Post
You trapped 110.74 right. That seems highest trap ive seen without 4.08 gears.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
I was 106.5 with just a CBE with some gutting. I'm at least 15hp more now with another 50-100lbs lost. You saying gears will provide faster traps without more power?
__________________
13 370z-
synolimit is offline  
Old 05-18-2014, 01:11 AM   #89 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 223
Drives: 2009 370z 7at
Rep Power: 11
TheBoomSpoon is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by synolimit View Post
I was 106.5 with just a CBE with some gutting. I'm at least 15hp more now with another 50-100lbs lost. You saying gears will provide faster traps without more power?
i would think so but i may be completely wrong, i just drive it.

If i had manual though getting 4.08 would be my first mod before adding power because thats significant butt dyno u will feel

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using Tapatalk
TheBoomSpoon is offline  
Old 05-18-2014, 04:35 AM   #90 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
synolimit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,051
Drives: 2013 Silver 370z
Rep Power: 3388
synolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond reputesynolimit has a reputation beyond repute
Default

My "secret sauce" will be done soon but I'll share.

OEM TB- 2.6" to 2.35" to 2.39".
New TB- 2.6" to 2.55" all the way through.

OEM mani ported to 2.55" at the TB connection and smoothed out runners port matched to the lower mani. Lower mani port and polished as much as possible.

Lowest base I have is 280hp 226tq on a dynojet SAE with rpf1 18" wheels with light weight tires (like 12lbs off OEM), custom cai with OEM accordion post MAF tubes, and topspeed pro 1 true dual CBE with added 18" vibrant resonators.

Then 295hp 243tq same dyno SAE with added Z1 MAF post tubes, muffler delete, Helmholtz resonators added to the X pipe, and ebay LTH wrapped.

Soon will be port and polished TB's and mani's with a tune.

Then maybe later e85, ID 1000's and a walbro 255 with retune.

I'll always do SAE but maybe I'll do a STD to show a difference from our DJ to Z1 and TSM since their two read so much higher than everyone else. If I can't reach 230hp, Z1 and TSM are aiding the dyno numbers. Since both dyno's have had the same tuner involved working on them, I smell something fishy unless I can show similar results.
__________________
13 370z-

Last edited by synolimit; 05-18-2014 at 04:44 AM.
synolimit is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[FOR SALE] Brand new VQ37VHR Engine, longblock nexus4400 Parts for sale (Private Classifieds) 15 03-14-2013 10:05 PM
GT-R Makes 100whp over Stock Kevin@AkumaMS Tuning 10 10-29-2012 08:56 PM
[FOR SALE] 370z engine (longblock) 6k miles TheJChap Parts for sale (Private Classifieds) 1 07-06-2012 09:33 PM
Stock VQ37 engine parts f/s (91316) R390 Parts for sale (Private Classifieds) 2 12-27-2010 01:42 PM
What makes the stock brakes stink? kannibul Brakes & Suspension 20 11-27-2009 03:56 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:24 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2