Track input on brakes

aron111 · 01-02-2015, 02:58 AM

Hello guys so im going to track my z for the first time on the 16th
and i asked for advice from my friends on what to get ready for..
they said to get a brake fluid flush and get BF with higher boiling point and
better break pads....

my question is... what brands would you guys recommend?
and what would you recommend for other ad ons?

im not rich so lets put a budget on things, plus im a newbie so please be patient with me. thanks in advance for any input

Rangerz · 01-02-2015, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aron111

Hello guys so im going to track my z for the first time on the 16th
and i asked for advice from my friends on what to get ready for..
they said to get a brake fluid flush and get BF with higher boiling point and
better break pads....

my question is... what brands would you guys recommend?
and what would you recommend for other ad ons?

im not rich so lets put a budget on things, plus im a newbie so please be patient with me. thanks in advance for any input

You can do a search for answers to all your tracking questions but, Motul RBF 600 is what I run and probably the majority of the guys in here as well.

JWillis72 · 01-02-2015, 09:21 AM

Motul RBF 600

I think yellow stuff pads are a good place to start if you want something you can also run on the street. They make a little noise on the street at times but not bad and seem to take the heat well on the track. Does the car have the sport brakes?

2011 Nismo#91 · 01-02-2015, 10:17 AM

Track Day Best Practices - MUST READ

1. 1Qt of your favorite motor oil. You will want to check your oil levels after EVERY session. Similar to fuel, oil will be consumed and burned off much more than normal. If you run out, you will be towed home. Make sure you have extra oil and make sure to check your oil!!
2. Bottle(s) of Motul (brake, transmission, Pwr Steering)
3. 1 Bottle of De-ionized or Distilled water
7. Make Sure you are registered properly.
8. Make sure you have a place to stay/sleep BEFORE going if you are staying in the area. Sleep is massively important in all threads about track days.
9. Make sure you have a proper helmet that meets the requirements of the track and/or governing body.
10. Bring a tire pressure gauge.
13. Bring drinks! Recommended is 1gal. +. I have also read that if you bring a big box of bottled water, everyone will love you by the end of the weekend.
14. Bring a piece of wood or a brick so you do not have to use your e-brake when it is still hot.
15. Bring a change of clothes + warm clothes and etc…
16. Painter’s tape Paper tape Grip tape Duct tape
20. A box to put ALL lose objects in (this is also a reason to have a hotel IMO)
21. Window cleaner + paper towels.
22. General automotive tools, hammer, wire cutter, torque wrench, pliers.
23. Cardboard just in case you need to lay on the ground for an extended period of time dealing with hoses popping off or some sort.
24. CASH for entry to the track and misc.
25. Sun Block Sun Glasses Hat
28. Pen+Notepad (track notes-tire pressure, dampening, alignment, etc…)
30. Camera (video and/or still)
31. Extra camera batteries/memory/tapes…
32. Lots of rags
33. Shop towels
36. Folding chair
37. Cooler
38. Snacks!
39. Loose change for drinks and stuff
40. FUEL or know where you can get fuel (especially if you run E85)
41. Track map.
42. Lip Balm
44. Zip Ties
46. Decent Work Gloves
47. Brake Cleaner
48. Spare hose clamps or T-Bolts of various sizes in case one or more pop off.
49. Bring spare caliper retaining clip and pins.
50. Bring some metal wire on a spool to McGyver something up if needed.
55. Driving Gloves
56. AAA Card!!
58. A Bin or box to carry your stuff in.

osbornsm · 01-02-2015, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

Track Day Best Practices - MUST READ

What, i said.

Read T · 01-02-2015, 12:27 PM

Been covered, but since I'm posting. This is a great question. Besides the nut behind the wheel brakes are the most important part of a car for a track day.

FLUIDS: Motul RBF600, Castrol SRF, or PFC 665
PADS: Carbotech, PFC 08, PFC 01, EBC

I run all PFC components and have spare slotted discs for the front. Next time I will get blanks with no slots so they are easier to resurface. I don't have SS lines or any other brake mods and the cars has done well on hot days on very brake intensive tracks. You said you are on a budget and PFC is a bit pricey. That being said if you start tracking you (unfortunately) are likely going to have to increase that budget to have fun and be safe. Also to note for pads, there are a few people on the forum that having problems with Hawks on the track with the 370z. I loved Hawks on my S14 but decided not to even try on my 370 just to be safe.

Make sure you change brake fluid at most 90 days before an event. Normally I use 2 bottles (500mL each) per brake fluid change, and like to have at least one spare.

Read T · 01-02-2015, 12:34 PM

Some good basic brake info here too
Review: Z1 rotors and PFC

glw · 01-02-2015, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWillis72

Motul RBF 600

I think yellow stuff pads are a good place to start if you want something you can also run on the street. They make a little noise on the street at times but not bad and seem to take the heat well on the track. Does the car have the sport brakes?

I, too, use Motul RBF600 and yellow stuff pads front and rear. I flushed out both the clutch and brake fluids for my first track day and got some fresh Hankook R-S3's. I had no issues except for fuel starvation.

Rusty · 01-02-2015, 07:18 PM

My first year tracking. I ran Yellowstuff pads, Motul 600 brake fluid, and stainless lines. If you have a manual. Flush the the old clutch fluid out, and replace Motul 600. Wrap some insulation around the clutch line down by the transmission, where the exhaust is. As your skills increase. Start looking at oil coolers, better pads, brake ducts for the front, tires, Gopro camera.

FL 4Motion · 01-02-2015, 07:54 PM

I think its been well covered now, but what the hell, my 2 cents

1. Brake/clutch fluid- Motul RBF 600 or equivalent

2. Brake pads, I like Carbotech, if you're just starting out, xp8s should suffice, as you get more experienced, step up to xp10 front / Xp 8 rear.

3. Oil cooler. Might need this sooner rather than later.

4. Keep you tank full to start each session. Eventually that won't cut it and you'll need a fuel starve fix. Contact plunk on here at CJM

5. Read that big list posted above, good info there.

6. Have fun and treat it as a learning experience, work on improving yourself, ie check your ego at the gate.

Robert Yuras · 01-02-2015, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

6. Have fun and treat it as a learning experience, work on improving yourself, ie check your ego at the gate.

I wish I could put that on a huge poster at the entrance to every track I've been too. Try being an instructor and sitting in a 100K+ car with a rookie driver...the entire first two sessions are ego smashers.

Read T · 01-02-2015, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Yuras

I wish I could put that on a huge poster at the entrance to every track I've been too. Try being an instructor and sitting in a 100K+ car with a rookie driver...the entire first two sessions are ego smashers.

you suck at racing | a crash course in auto racing safety

Rusty · 01-03-2015, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Yuras

I wish I could put that on a huge poster at the entrance to every track I've been too. Try being an instructor and sitting in a 100K+ car with a rookie driver...the entire first two sessions are ego smashers.

My first trackday. I had a guy in a Viper ARC crash in front of me.

It was the guys first time on a track ever,

and his last.

GSS138 · 01-03-2015, 02:04 PM

Rusty, my first season it was a Camaro or a 'Vette in almost every beginners group I can remember lol. One of them was close to wrecked, went right into a wall at Big Willow(which is quite difficult to do).

Anywhoot @ OP, changing brake fluid is a good idea, and like Rusty said, as long as you are buying motul 600, might as well do the clutch fluid as well. SS brake lines are probably the best upgrade you can do for < 200 bucks. Besides that, if you stick with it, the next thing you will want/need will be some good brake pads. The OEM pads are quite terrible. After that, tires. But really for first day just read the guide and definitely throw in some good brake fluid, boiled brake fluid is one of the most horrible experiences you never want to have happen. I did it once at AAA speedway, it is not cool.

Read T · 01-03-2015, 08:05 PM

This was the last track day I was at, happened in another run group thankfully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2S63ZjvGdw

01-02-2015, 02:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
aron111 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: california Posts: 75 Drives: 2013 370z Rep Power: 11	Track input on brakes Hello guys so im going to track my z for the first time on the 16th and i asked for advice from my friends on what to get ready for.. they said to get a brake fluid flush and get BF with higher boiling point and better break pads.... my question is... what brands would you guys recommend? and what would you recommend for other ad ons? im not rich so lets put a budget on things, plus im a newbie so please be patient with me. thanks in advance for any input

01-02-2015, 09:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
JWillis72 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 2,002 Drives: 2009 370Z yellow 7AT Rep Power: 44	Motul RBF 600 I think yellow stuff pads are a good place to start if you want something you can also run on the street. They make a little noise on the street at times but not bad and seem to take the heat well on the track. Does the car have the sport brakes? Rusty and glw like this.

01-02-2015, 10:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,381 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 33858	Track Day Best Practices - MUST READ 1. 1Qt of your favorite motor oil. You will want to check your oil levels after EVERY session. Similar to fuel, oil will be consumed and burned off much more than normal. If you run out, you will be towed home. Make sure you have extra oil and make sure to check your oil!! 2. Bottle(s) of Motul (brake, transmission, Pwr Steering) 3. 1 Bottle of De-ionized or Distilled water 7. Make Sure you are registered properly. 8. Make sure you have a place to stay/sleep BEFORE going if you are staying in the area. Sleep is massively important in all threads about track days. 9. Make sure you have a proper helmet that meets the requirements of the track and/or governing body. 10. Bring a tire pressure gauge. 13. Bring drinks! Recommended is 1gal. +. I have also read that if you bring a big box of bottled water, everyone will love you by the end of the weekend. 14. Bring a piece of wood or a brick so you do not have to use your e-brake when it is still hot. 15. Bring a change of clothes + warm clothes and etc… 16. Painter’s tape Paper tape Grip tape Duct tape 20. A box to put ALL lose objects in (this is also a reason to have a hotel IMO) 21. Window cleaner + paper towels. 22. General automotive tools, hammer, wire cutter, torque wrench, pliers. 23. Cardboard just in case you need to lay on the ground for an extended period of time dealing with hoses popping off or some sort. 24. CASH for entry to the track and misc. 25. Sun Block Sun Glasses Hat 28. Pen+Notepad (track notes-tire pressure, dampening, alignment, etc…) 30. Camera (video and/or still) 31. Extra camera batteries/memory/tapes… 32. Lots of rags 33. Shop towels 36. Folding chair 37. Cooler 38. Snacks! 39. Loose change for drinks and stuff 40. FUEL or know where you can get fuel (especially if you run E85) 41. Track map. 42. Lip Balm 44. Zip Ties 46. Decent Work Gloves 47. Brake Cleaner 48. Spare hose clamps or T-Bolts of various sizes in case one or more pop off. 49. Bring spare caliper retaining clip and pins. 50. Bring some metal wire on a spool to McGyver something up if needed. 55. Driving Gloves 56. AAA Card!! 58. A Bin or box to carry your stuff in. BuckeyeZ, osbornsm and P's_Z like this.

01-02-2015, 12:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Read T A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,046 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z BC 6M Rep Power: 17	Been covered, but since I'm posting. This is a great question. Besides the nut behind the wheel brakes are the most important part of a car for a track day. FLUIDS: Motul RBF600, Castrol SRF, or PFC 665 PADS: Carbotech, PFC 08, PFC 01, EBC I run all PFC components and have spare slotted discs for the front. Next time I will get blanks with no slots so they are easier to resurface. I don't have SS lines or any other brake mods and the cars has done well on hot days on very brake intensive tracks. You said you are on a budget and PFC is a bit pricey. That being said if you start tracking you (unfortunately) are likely going to have to increase that budget to have fun and be safe. Also to note for pads, there are a few people on the forum that having problems with Hawks on the track with the 370z. I loved Hawks on my S14 but decided not to even try on my 370 just to be safe. Make sure you change brake fluid at most 90 days before an event. Normally I use 2 bottles (500mL each) per brake fluid change, and like to have at least one spare. __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z Black Cherry Sport Pkg - Daily Driver, , 1960 Morgan +4 fun car, 1986 BMW 325ES, 1998 M3 and 1996 Spec Miata - Race Cars SUPPORT TEAM WINSOME RACING - WRL, CHUMP, LEMONS Last edited by Read T; 01-02-2015 at 05:48 PM.

01-02-2015, 12:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
Read T A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,046 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z BC 6M Rep Power: 17	Some good basic brake info here too Review: Z1 rotors and PFC P's_Z likes this. __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z Black Cherry Sport Pkg - Daily Driver, , 1960 Morgan +4 fun car, 1986 BMW 325ES, 1998 M3 and 1996 Spec Miata - Race Cars SUPPORT TEAM WINSOME RACING - WRL, CHUMP, LEMONS

01-02-2015, 07:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 34,861 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684436	My first year tracking. I ran Yellowstuff pads, Motul 600 brake fluid, and stainless lines. If you have a manual. Flush the the old clutch fluid out, and replace Motul 600. Wrap some insulation around the clutch line down by the transmission, where the exhaust is. As your skills increase. Start looking at oil coolers, better pads, brake ducts for the front, tires, Gopro camera. TerribleONE likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html Last edited by Rusty; 01-02-2015 at 07:21 PM.

01-02-2015, 07:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	I think its been well covered now, but what the hell, my 2 cents 1. Brake/clutch fluid- Motul RBF 600 or equivalent 2. Brake pads, I like Carbotech, if you're just starting out, xp8s should suffice, as you get more experienced, step up to xp10 front / Xp 8 rear. 3. Oil cooler. Might need this sooner rather than later. 4. Keep you tank full to start each session. Eventually that won't cut it and you'll need a fuel starve fix. Contact plunk on here at CJM 5. Read that big list posted above, good info there. 6. Have fun and treat it as a learning experience, work on improving yourself, ie check your ego at the gate.

01-03-2015, 02:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
GSS138 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Posts: 769 Drives: '12 370Z 6M Sport Rep Power: 13	Rusty, my first season it was a Camaro or a 'Vette in almost every beginners group I can remember lol. One of them was close to wrecked, went right into a wall at Big Willow(which is quite difficult to do). Anywhoot @ OP, changing brake fluid is a good idea, and like Rusty said, as long as you are buying motul 600, might as well do the clutch fluid as well. SS brake lines are probably the best upgrade you can do for < 200 bucks. Besides that, if you stick with it, the next thing you will want/need will be some good brake pads. The OEM pads are quite terrible. After that, tires. But really for first day just read the guide and definitely throw in some good brake fluid, boiled brake fluid is one of the most horrible experiences you never want to have happen. I did it once at AAA speedway, it is not cool. Rusty likes this. __________________ Current Mods: Vorpal Weapon +5.

01-03-2015, 08:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
Read T A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,046 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z BC 6M Rep Power: 17	This was the last track day I was at, happened in another run group thankfully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2S63ZjvGdw __________________ 2011 Nissan 370z Black Cherry Sport Pkg - Daily Driver, , 1960 Morgan +4 fun car, 1986 BMW 325ES, 1998 M3 and 1996 Spec Miata - Race Cars SUPPORT TEAM WINSOME RACING - WRL, CHUMP, LEMONS Last edited by Read T; 01-03-2015 at 08:09 PM.

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