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speedfreek · 06-01-2012, 08:32 AM

This argument over under-powered and over-priced is funny. I am not going to argue the point of it being over-priced because people are willing to pay different prices for stuff. I believe it is priced high because of hype and like most of you have said it will settle in the next couple years. The argument over it being under-powered is stupid for someone to argue. Most will always want more power you will never be saying "No I dont want to add any hp cuz I dont want to mess with the driveability". If you do then

. You always want more. Even if you are driving something that is fast to begin with...how long is it before that doesnt feel fast anymore and you go under the hood to try and get more out of it? I mean look at the Lotus for example...why would you dual-charge the thing? Was it not an awesome "driver's" car out of the box? But I digress this kid is all about his FRS/BRZ/MX5's and he wants you to be to. Don't say anything negative about it. There is no room for improvement as this is the pinnacle of car development as we know it

I mean the magazines say so....

shadoquad · 06-01-2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek

This argument over under-powered and over-priced is funny. I am not going to argue the point of it being over-priced because people are willing to pay different prices for stuff. I believe it is priced high because of hype and like most of you have said it will settle in the next couple years. The argument over it being under-powered is stupid for someone to argue. Most will always want more power you will never be saying "No I dont want to add any hp cuz I dont want to mess with the driveability". If you do then

. You always want more. Even if you are driving something that is fast to begin with...how long is it before that doesnt feel fast anymore and you go under the hood to try and get more out of it? I mean look at the Lotus for example...why would you dual-charge the thing? Was it not an awesome "driver's" car out of the box? But I digress this kid is all about his FRS/BRZ/MX5's and he wants you to be to. Don't say anything negative about it. There is no room for improvement as this is the pinnacle of car development as we know it

I mean the magazines say so....

lol I know Lotus Elise owners who are perfectly happy without charging.

But you are right, people always want more power (for some reason). There are plenty people who think the 370z is underpowered. That boggles my mind. Hell, there are GTR owners who crave more power out of their whips. But I'm ok with the FRS/BRZ/MX5 having lower power numbers out the gate. There is nothing wrong with 150-200hp in a lightweight car. It is gobs of fun.

speedfreek · 06-01-2012, 09:03 AM

I hear you shadoquad. I am not hating on the BRZ/FRS. I generally like the look of them. The first white one sold here is at the speaker shop in town already getting work done straight from the show room floor. I would like to drive one to see what all the hype is about. Unfortunately they are all sold when they reach the dealer and no chance of test driving unless you order one and put down a deposit. At least that is the way it is around here.

Hennessey Venom GT = Lotus on steroids...lots of steroids!

b1adesofcha0s · 06-01-2012, 08:40 AM

Hennessey Venom GT anyone?

Sibze · 06-01-2012, 09:48 AM

This thread is going to get locked and raped in the back of the closet

b1adesofcha0s · 06-01-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spikuh

If you have been making you point this whole time, then why do you keep insisting on posting it? Either you are not making your point (hence the need to continue spamming it), you do not feel like your point is getting across (which contradicts what you are saying in the above quote), or you are making your point and cannot accept that others have differing viewpoints.

You assume I am missing your point. I am not. You said it very plainly here:

If I did not understand your point, I would not know what to look for when scrolling back through your posts... Ultimately people pick and chose which cars to look at or buy based on some given criteria. That criteria is different for each person. Take myself as an example. I like the BRZ alot. However, for the pricepoint I do feel it is underpowered. I am not some clueless fanboi. If I were, I would despise the BRZ on principle because I come from a 240sx and are a huge fan of the Silvia line. That said, if a new Silvia were on the showroom floor right now, today, with 200hp and 2800lbs at $27k, I would be equally upset with Nissan. If it were sporting 250hp-260hp on turbocharged motor at that price point, I would be all over that car. Same with the BRZ. But it doesn't. That is my opinion on the matter. That is how I view the car. Doesn't make the BRZ a bad vehicle, it simply does not match what I want out a vehicle at that price point.

My point, that you CHOOSING TO IGNORE is:

Accept it and move on instead rehashing your same point and throwing in inflamatory language to make yourself feel better and choosing certain phrasing to make yourself feel superior like all of this:

Which forces me to reach no other conclusion than you are bludgeoning people over the head with your opinion and deriding them for having their own opinion which is a piss poor way of trying to convince others to see it your way. Also found here in a response to shado:

So as you can see, my hope:

Has indeed not happened yet. The fact that you chose to respond to this particular quote gives me a chuckle.

[EDIT]Also, I am washing my hands of this conversation. If you cannot figure it out now, I can at least stop wasting my time.

Please see Spikuh's sig for instructions on how to build a better driver's car than the BRZ for much cheaper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sibze

This thread is going to get locked and raped in the back of the closet

Only after it has been raped will it come out of the closet

XwChriswX · 06-01-2012, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sibze

This thread is going to get locked and raped in the back of the closet

You would be the resident expert on that wouldn't you....

You poor poor victim.

Shame on shado!

Lug · 06-01-2012, 10:47 AM

I'd rather have a Mazdaspeed3 as a DD because the numbers are SO much better :innocentsmilie:

Thechidz · 06-01-2012, 04:59 PM

Saw on today in monticello

vo2max99 · 06-02-2012, 01:11 PM

First of all, nobodies dismissing anyone's "opinion". The point here is that there is really no bases to have a negative "opinion" on a car "s" that have received such overwhelming praise.

Again, if the car "s" (BRZ / FR-S) where deemed somehow "over-priced / under-powered) according to various reports then sure there may be a legitimate bases for criticism but this is not the case.

If you personally driven the car "s" and felt for whatever reason they where "over-priced / under-powered" sure your opinion would be more valid for "you" personally.

I haven't stated one way or the other that the BRZ / FR-S are defiantly well worth the price, etc. However, based on reports there is NO reason for me to think everyone who's tested the car is somehow wrong.

Obviously if you're more into #'s the BRZ / FR-S aren't for you but according to the information available there's no good reason to assume they'll somehow be over-priced / under-powered".

I'm not sure how much more clear I can make this. It's pretty simply stuff / doesn't take a super high IQ to compute.

The bottom-line is that of course you can have an "opinion" but if your "opinion" can't be backed by proof it's sorta dumb...

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b1adesofcha0s · 06-02-2012, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vo2max99

First of all, nobodies dismissing anyone's "opinion". The point here is that there is really no bases to have a negative "opinion" on a car "s" that have received such overwhelming praise.

Again, if the car "s" (BRZ / FR-S) where deemed somehow "over-priced / under-powered) according to various reports then sure there may be a legitimate bases for criticism but this is not the case.

If you personally driven the car "s" and felt for whatever reason they where "over-priced / under-powered" sure your opinion would be more valid for "you" personally.

I haven't stated one way or the other that the BRZ / FR-S are defiantly well worth the price, etc. However, based on reports there is NO reason for me to think everyone who's tested the car is somehow wrong.

Obviously if you're more into #'s the BRZ / FR-S aren't for you but according to the information available there's no good reason to assume they'll somehow be over-priced / under-powered".

I'm not sure how much more clear I can make this. It's pretty simply stuff / doesn't take a super high IQ to compute.

The bottom-line is that of course you can have an "opinion" but if your "opinion" can't be backed by proof it's sorta dumb...

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If it could be backed by proof then it would be a fact, not an opinion. That's kind of the definition of an opinion:

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Originally Posted by dictionary.com

opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

I think the point we're all making that you don't seem to understand is that you can't assume car "s" is a positive or negative for you without actually having driven it. You're saying we can't assume that it's overpriced or underpowered because we haven't driven it. At the same time there is no validity in you declaring it's a great driver's car if you haven't driven it. You can look at magazine comparisons all you want, but at the end of the day those are still opinions not facts. If you search around enough you can find positive and negative reviews about any car and you can't really prove which ones are correct or not because they are just opinions.

speedfreek · 06-02-2012, 01:53 PM

06-01-2012, 08:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
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06-02-2012, 01:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
vo2max99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 120 Drives: 08MS3-BM-6MT Rep Power: 15	First of all, nobodies dismissing anyone's "opinion". The point here is that there is really no bases to have a negative "opinion" on a car "s" that have received such overwhelming praise. Again, if the car "s" (BRZ / FR-S) where deemed somehow "over-priced / under-powered) according to various reports then sure there may be a legitimate bases for criticism but this is not the case. If you personally driven the car "s" and felt for whatever reason they where "over-priced / under-powered" sure your opinion would be more valid for "you" personally. I haven't stated one way or the other that the BRZ / FR-S are defiantly well worth the price, etc. However, based on reports there is NO reason for me to think everyone who's tested the car is somehow wrong. Obviously if you're more into #'s the BRZ / FR-S aren't for you but according to the information available there's no good reason to assume they'll somehow be over-priced / under-powered". I'm not sure how much more clear I can make this. It's pretty simply stuff / doesn't take a super high IQ to compute. The bottom-line is that of course you can have an "opinion" but if your "opinion" can't be backed by proof it's sorta dumb... --- I am here: http://tapatalk.com/map.php?0aohav Last edited by vo2max99; 06-02-2012 at 01:20 PM.

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06-01-2012, 08:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
speedfreek A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Huntsville,AL Posts: 1,724 Drives: '12 370Z PW 6sp Rep Power: 20	This argument over under-powered and over-priced is funny. I am not going to argue the point of it being over-priced because people are willing to pay different prices for stuff. I believe it is priced high because of hype and like most of you have said it will settle in the next couple years. The argument over it being under-powered is stupid for someone to argue. Most will always want more power you will never be saying "No I dont want to add any hp cuz I dont want to mess with the driveability". If you do then . You always want more. Even if you are driving something that is fast to begin with...how long is it before that doesnt feel fast anymore and you go under the hood to try and get more out of it? I mean look at the Lotus for example...why would you dual-charge the thing? Was it not an awesome "driver's" car out of the box? But I digress this kid is all about his FRS/BRZ/MX5's and he wants you to be to. Don't say anything negative about it. There is no room for improvement as this is the pinnacle of car development as we know it I mean the magazines say so....

06-01-2012, 09:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
speedfreek A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Huntsville,AL Posts: 1,724 Drives: '12 370Z PW 6sp Rep Power: 20	I hear you shadoquad. I am not hating on the BRZ/FRS. I generally like the look of them. The first white one sold here is at the speaker shop in town already getting work done straight from the show room floor. I would like to drive one to see what all the hype is about. Unfortunately they are all sold when they reach the dealer and no chance of test driving unless you order one and put down a deposit. At least that is the way it is around here. Hennessey Venom GT = Lotus on steroids...lots of steroids!

06-01-2012, 09:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sibze A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 16,202 Drives: In your way Rep Power: 65	This thread is going to get locked and raped in the back of the closet

06-02-2012, 01:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
speedfreek A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Huntsville,AL Posts: 1,724 Drives: '12 370Z PW 6sp Rep Power: 20