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NeoSHNIK

Yeha, I guess new Miata's are better. The only Miata I drove was an older one (early 2000s or late 90s), and it was weak. My Pontiac Grand Am felt better when accelerating. Driving a new Miata would probably increase my opinion on that car, but meh

I find it hard to believe that new 5.0 handle as well as Z, but even if they did, I'd still get a Z. Mostly because I believe that Z is built better than the Mustang, the Mustangs are very common, and the Z in my opinion looks better than the Mustang inside and outside.
Now, I would probably choose a Boss or GT500 over Z But hey, lets not get too derailed? I think we just have different opinions and beliefs, and although mine is different than yours, I still understand and respect yours.

Spikuh

The Mustangs are built rather well these days. Ford has come a long way in quality in the past 10 years or so. We have had no real problems with my brother's '08 Mustang and the new ones are supposed to be built even better from my understanding. At this point, I honestly think you are splitting hairs on build quiality between the Z and Mustang. It also appears to do very well in the corners these days. I think the Z has an ever so slight edge, but my guess is that is due to weight more than anything. Just a guess though.

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theDreamer

Saw my first one today, it looked good for a moment and then it feel off quickly.
The car has great potential to look fantastic with aftermarket but from factory Toyota dialed it down a bit much, should have pushed it a bit like concept II.

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shadoquad

Neo, I respect your opinion, too

Shamu

Have you seen new pics Of convertible Versions? The lose back seat!

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Grant

Jordo!

I desperately want them to make a version with OEM boost and compete seriously with the Z.

That would be my next car (unless the next Z is even better...)

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vo2max99

Here's what you don't get / are missing Ghost Rider:

The point I've been making is that it's ridiculous to ASSUME one way or the other that the BRZ / FR-S are somehow "over priced" and or "under powered" based one what is known.

If most reviews said the BRZ / FR-S were a POS / Too slow, etc there might be a bases for that sort of opinion. However, seeing as this is NOT the case there's no bases to ASSUME the car is somehow not worth the price.

It's dumb enough to judge a car having never driven it but to dis it when the reviews have been so overwhelmingly positive it makes absolutely no sense. It's pretty simple stuff.

When a car "s" and deemed to be phenomenal by most accounts it just doesn't make much sense to conclude (without driving nonetheless) that the car "s" will somehow / someway not be worth it / over priced, etc.


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Spikuh

If you have been making you point this whole time, then why do you keep insisting on posting it? Either you are not making your point (hence the need to continue spamming it), you do not feel like your point is getting across (which contradicts what you are saying in the above quote), or you are making your point and cannot accept that others have differing viewpoints.

You assume I am missing your point. I am not. You said it very plainly here:

If I did not understand your point, I would not know what to look for when scrolling back through your posts... Ultimately people pick and chose which cars to look at or buy based on some given criteria. That criteria is different for each person. Take myself as an example. I like the BRZ alot. However, for the pricepoint I do feel it is underpowered. I am not some clueless fanboi. If I were, I would despise the BRZ on principle because I come from a 240sx and are a huge fan of the Silvia line. That said, if a new Silvia were on the showroom floor right now, today, with 200hp and 2800lbs at $27k, I would be equally upset with Nissan. If it were sporting 250hp-260hp on turbocharged motor at that price point, I would be all over that car. Same with the BRZ. But it doesn't. That is my opinion on the matter. That is how I view the car. Doesn't make the BRZ a bad vehicle, it simply does not match what I want out a vehicle at that price point.

My point, that you CHOOSING TO IGNORE is:

Accept it and move on instead rehashing your same point and throwing in inflamatory language to make yourself feel better and choosing certain phrasing to make yourself feel superior like all of this:

Which forces me to reach no other conclusion than you are bludgeoning people over the head with your opinion and deriding them for having their own opinion which is a piss poor way of trying to convince others to see it your way. Also found here in a response to shado:

So as you can see, my hope:

Has indeed not happened yet. The fact that you chose to respond to this particular quote gives me a chuckle.


[EDIT]Also, I am washing my hands of this conversation. If you cannot figure it out now, I can at least stop wasting my time.

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vo2max99

Motor Trend track tested:

Scion FR-S
Subaru BRZ
Ford Mustang
Hyundai Gen Coupe
Mazda MX-5 Miata
VW GTI

Summary:

1st place: Subaru BRZ - Offers Miata levels of driving enjoyment, with the practically and livability of a car with a roof, four seats, and truck. So it wins because they deemed it the best overall package in addition to being almost as fun as the MX-5.

2nd place: Scion FR-S - Basically the same as the BRZ but not quite the bargain considering interior /features.. Oh and it's a little more prone to oversteer /less controllable .

3rd place: Mazda MX-5 Miata- The most fun to drive car of the group. Pro driver "Randy Pobst" stated: "There's a reason 80 MX-5 Miatas are on the Pre-Grid at Road America, and it's the same reason this is the only car in which I did an extra lab simply 'cause I didn't wanna stop".

4th place: Ford Mustang - Pobst sums up the Mustang this way: "In terms of this group of cars, the Mustang is fast and numb"." Against the likes of BRZ, FR-S and Miata, it feels less engaging and, ultimately fat".

5th place: VW GTI - Drivers who require that a car have more than a tinge of practically need look no farther. But when performance is paramount, they'd be well advised to keep looking.

6th place: Hyundai Gen Coupe 2.0T R-Spec - Randy Pobst "Good mid-range torque, but feels distant and rubberized, detracting from on-track gratification". They complained about the crappy 6MT, steering feel / feedback and a few other things as well. It put down pretty good #'s though if that matters.

These cars are all 30K and under but I don't think there's a new car up to 40K that would knock off the top 3 here besides maybe the EVO and it would be close in terms of being a superior driver's car.

As far as straight line acceleration the BRZ / FR-S / MX-5 posted nearly identical 0-60 and 1/4 mile times: MX-5- 6.3 / 14.9; BRZ- 6.4 / 14.9 / FR-S-6.2 / 14.8.

The Mustang was the fastest car of the group posting: 5.3 / 13.9 followed by the Gen Coupe's 5.7 / 14.2 and GTI's (6-speed twin-cl auto) 6.1 / 14.7

Just another great example showing how test track #'s don't even begin to scratch the surface when evaluating the value of a sports car.


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cossie1600

Once again, a RX-8 with better gas mileage. Big deal.

shadoquad

You say this as if it's a bad thing.

b1adesofcha0s

You also can't assume the FRS/BRZ is a great driver's car without actually driving it first. Just because MT put it in 1st place on some comparison test doesn't give it more value as a sports car.

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Red__Zed

No, we still like MT here. It was car and driver that we determined was useless
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b1adesofcha0s

Oh sorry, my bad. All hail the BRZ

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