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shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

That's true. I guess we just have to get past that period for the car to reach its true price point.

sure, if you want your BRZ when erryone else has 'em.

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Maybe not to you, but that's why I said value is a subjective thing. Performance step up is one of the most important things for me for my next car, but it's not the only thing. Also have to look at cost, looks, interior, etc. My next car after my Z will most definitely not be one that is a step down in performance. At the minimum it should have the potential to be a step up after some mods.

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

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Exactly, but of course this is the internetz and we will forever argue and bench race without ever even sitting in the car.

I argue with this statement, and these undocumented statistics support my assertion: 3.2, 141, the battle of Gettysburg, penguin

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

sure, if you want your BRZ when erryone else has 'em.

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

I argue with this statement, and these undocumented statistics support my assertion: 3.2, 141, the battle of Gettysburg, penguin

Psh I would be happier staring at an Aventador in my garage all day than driving a Miata. I'd have to track it to get anywhere even close to its limits, but I'd be willing to do that.

Isamu · 05-31-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

here is the thing... you pull up in an aventador.. panties drop... ladies panties...

you pull up in your slick miata... panties may drop... but they belong to doods.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 03:13 PM

So you would really rather drive a Miata from point A to point B rather than Aventador? I don't see how that's possible, but I guess this just proves that people are different and have contrasting opinions.
With that said, I can see how driving Aventador in NYC would be frustrating, but I'd rather deal with that frustration than drive Miata

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

So you would really rather drive a Miata from point A to point B rather than Aventador? I don't see how that's possible, but I guess this just proves that people are different and have contrasting opinions.
With that said, I can see how driving Aventador in NYC would be frustrating, but I'd rather deal with that frustration than drive Miata

You're all pretty much missing the point.

I would rather own the lambo for obvious reasons. It would be more fun on rare occasions when you can get it out.

But on a daily basis, I would have more fun with the Miata. You could drive it any time, be less nervous about damaging it, and could actually play with it closer to its limits without being a danger to other motorists.

And way too many people hate on that little car. They are amazing to drive. Haters gonna hate. More Miatas race on actual race tracks than any other sports car.

Spikuh · 05-31-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

You're all pretty much missing the point.

I would rather own the lambo for obvious reasons. It would be more fun on rare occasions when you can get it out.

But on a daily basis, I would have more fun with the Miata. You could drive it any time, be less nervous about damaging it, and could actually play with it closer to its limits without being a danger to other motorists.

And way too many people hate on that little car. They are amazing to drive. Haters gonna hate. More Miatas race on actual race tracks than any other sports car.

Ever since NFS:Underground, I have always kept a special place in my heart for the Miata. I know someone with one, but sadly have never gotten to drive it.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 03:26 PM

shadoquad, well, I was making a silly joke with Miata being gay.

But as far as missing the point, I disagree. I think its just that we all like to do different things on the road. Yes, you can get closer to pushing Miatas, Dodge Neons, Chevy Cavaliers, and other weak cars when pushing them to their limits in a 30mph zone. Been there, done that. Yes, its a different kind of fun, but its not for me. I for example like to accelerate fast and occasionally sin on the roads. I am addicted to that, I guess... and Miata just wouldn't cut it for me at all. I also don't feel comfortable in small cars. So definitely no Miata for me.
Aventador... I would be having fun in that car on the first red light... even if its getting to 60 in less than 3 seconds... the way I would get pushed into the seat...

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

shadoquad, well, I was making a silly joke with Miata being gay.

But as far as missing the point, I disagree. I think its just that we all like to do different things on the road. Yes, you can get closer to pushing Miatas, Dodge Neons, Chevy Cavaliers, and other weak cars when pushing them to their limits in a 30mph zone. Been there, done that. Yes, its a different kind of fun, but its not for me. I for example like to accelerate fast and occasionally sin on the roads. I am addicted to that, I guess... and Miata just wouldn't cut it for me at all. I also don't feel comfortable in small cars. So definitely no Miata for me.
Aventador... I would be having fun in that car on the first red light... even if its getting to 60 in less than 3 seconds... the way I would get pushed into the seat...

Neons and Cavaliers are not in the same class. Pretty bad comparison. The Miata is the best selling sports car over the past twenty years, although it faces declining numbers right now. It is a proper rear wheel drive car, has a nearly perfect front-back weight ratio. It is not some fwd slug. Take it to a curvy road, and it will reward you.

If gunning it at a red light is your pleasure, then good for you. Buy a drag car. The BRZ is not going to be a straight line car. I am much more of a cornering and back roads enthusiast. A Miata or BRZ suits me down to the ground. I drive my Z on the twisties. I didn't buy it to be a drag car.

Isamu · 05-31-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

You're all pretty much missing the point.

I would rather own the lambo for obvious reasons. It would be more fun on rare occasions when you can get it out.

But on a daily basis, I would have more fun with the Miata. You could drive it any time, be less nervous about damaging it, and could actually play with it closer to its limits without being a danger to other motorists.

And way too many people hate on that little car. They are amazing to drive. Haters gonna hate. More Miatas race on actual race tracks than any other sports car.

Miatas ARE a blast... and it's why I love my DD... a 92 s-10 blazer.. because I can do **** like off road if i need, and I am not worried about people hitting me an ****

Waiz · 05-31-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

You're all pretty much missing the point.

I would rather own the lambo for obvious reasons. It would be more fun on rare occasions when you can get it out.

But on a daily basis, I would have more fun with the Miata. You could drive it any time, be less nervous about damaging it, and could actually play with it closer to its limits without being a danger to other motorists.

And way too many people hate on that little car. They are amazing to drive. Haters gonna hate. More Miatas race on actual race tracks than any other sports car.

I've tried to make this exact point too many times on this forum and people just don't get it.

Same thing for the hate for the FRS/BRZ, I just don't get it myself but then again I am a very open-minded person when it comes to cars in general.

It's funny how many of you here hate on this car as though it's a competitor to the Z or that it lessens the Z in some way. It will be an affordable RWD sportscar with plenty of aftermarket options, some of you just need to accept that.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 03:43 PM

Yeah, I like drag the most, but the reason I didn't buy a mustang is because I still like to be able to take a turn at a high speed. Honestly, I doubt Miata can be driven on a regular mountain road as fast as 370z. I feel like the Z allowes you to experience the best of the two worlds (mustang world and miata world).

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

Yeah, I like drag the most, but the reason I didn't buy a mustang is because I still like to be able to take a turn at a high speed. Honestly, I doubt Miata can be driven on a regular mountain road as fast as 370z. I feel like the Z allowes you to experience the best of the two worlds (mustang world and miata world).

Depends on how straight the road is, but more important is the driver mod. Miatas can go at insane speeds in curves, but more importantly, with the top down, the sensation of speed is much greater. Same with the lightness of the car. It's funny that you called it weak. It only makes 175 hp or so, but with a light car, you don't need much power. Look at the Lotus Elise. 200hp, light frame, very thrilling car.

The new Mustang handles as well as the Z. You could have gotten the best of both worlds for less money had you simply bought the Mustang, and it would put up better drag times.

DJ-of-E · 05-31-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

Honestly, I doubt Miata can be driven on a regular mountain road as fast as 370z. I feel like the Z allowes you to experience the best of the two worlds (mustang world and miata world).

Wait? what? huh?

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

Wait? what? huh?

Where? when? why?

DJ-of-E · 05-31-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

Where? when? why?

Which? How? Really?

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05-31-2012, 03:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
NeoSHNIK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 237 Drives: 370z 40th 6MT Rep Power: 15	So you would really rather drive a Miata from point A to point B rather than Aventador? I don't see how that's possible, but I guess this just proves that people are different and have contrasting opinions. With that said, I can see how driving Aventador in NYC would be frustrating, but I'd rather deal with that frustration than drive Miata

05-31-2012, 03:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
NeoSHNIK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 237 Drives: 370z 40th 6MT Rep Power: 15	shadoquad, well, I was making a silly joke with Miata being gay. But as far as missing the point, I disagree. I think its just that we all like to do different things on the road. Yes, you can get closer to pushing Miatas, Dodge Neons, Chevy Cavaliers, and other weak cars when pushing them to their limits in a 30mph zone. Been there, done that. Yes, its a different kind of fun, but its not for me. I for example like to accelerate fast and occasionally sin on the roads. I am addicted to that, I guess... and Miata just wouldn't cut it for me at all. I also don't feel comfortable in small cars. So definitely no Miata for me. Aventador... I would be having fun in that car on the first red light... even if its getting to 60 in less than 3 seconds... the way I would get pushed into the seat...

05-31-2012, 03:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
NeoSHNIK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 237 Drives: 370z 40th 6MT Rep Power: 15	Yeah, I like drag the most, but the reason I didn't buy a mustang is because I still like to be able to take a turn at a high speed. Honestly, I doubt Miata can be driven on a regular mountain road as fast as 370z. I feel like the Z allowes you to experience the best of the two worlds (mustang world and miata world).