2017 Corvette Grand Sport!!

b1adesofcha0s · 02-26-2017, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I have koni shocks swift springs eibach sways a custom alignment a straight pipes, a Nismo muffler and an oil cooler. My mods are around $2,200 and fairly simple. Every thing you said about the Z I fixed. Dimensionally it's a better car. Stock performance the vette is a much better car. I drove a GS and it was AMAZING. But it STILL wasn't that kind of amazing that can pull me out of a Z. It's really hard finding a car at a reasonable price that can give you everything you're looking for.

I don't think it's fair to say HES WRONG. He just has a different opinion. As an owner you have accustomed yourself. He's based on a first impression. I can see how his first impression left him feeling that way though my experience was way more positive.

Better isn't always better. I still felt more connected to my Z on my first time driving a Z than my first time driving a vette. I never had to get used to a Z from the first ride.

When you desire something really bad, you adjust. When you don't get an awesome first impression. You don't.

You gotta get over your mustang mentality bruh.

Ok fair point about first impressions. However, as someone who has owned both cars for an extensive period I can tell you for sure that the C7 is definitely not "out of place" on the dragon. I will definitely say that statement is not true.

My comparison wasn't against a stock Z either. When I had my Z down at the dragon, it had swift springs, eibach sways, custom alignment, full bolt-ons, and a tune. It would take MUCH more than that to make it comparable to the C7. The biggest advantage for the Z is definitely the price.

LOL @ Mustang mentality. When you're trying to explain why you'd rather have a modded Z over a C7 and make statements like "better isn't always better", maybe you should look in the mirror about that Mustang mentality.

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Oh my goodness you make me want to drive and bring my C7 and test it at the dragon. Having the C7 just for a few months and only driving it for 300miles. I think I need to learn and respect the car more as it's really a fast car and would demand a lot of driving skill to drive like a mad man at the dragon.
The corvette packs double the power of my Z with less the weight so go figure how the vett does when you drive it. It's a bullet with 4 wheels.

Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble as the Z. But once I get more driving time with my vette, I'm sure I'll be able to control this beast.

The C7 vette is certainly a different type of car, I love my 370 but the vette hits the sweet spot like a G spot. Ask a satisfied girl and you know what I mean.

Kudos.

Nice! I 100% agree with that last paragraph. I loved my Z, but I have had way more fun with the C7. Especially true at the dragon for ZDayZ. I went last year like 3 months after buying the car. I did build confidence in driving it on the dragon pretty quickly. Seemed like every day I had to take down the traction control one level because I was driving that much faster compared to the previous day. Then I let Z1NONLY drive my car with all the traction control off to show me just how slow I was actually driving it

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Originally Posted by Redglare

A good analogy of my experience; if you put the new miata and our Z on a go-kart track, the Z won't be able to shine.
I had the same experience with a base c7, I drove both cars back to back on some twisty TN roads, analogous to the dragon, but with tighter curves and less room to really open it up.
No one is disputing the c7 is a faster car in the proper environment, all I am saying is from my limited test drive (maybe 50-60 miles max) it felt way too big and did not feel like the price tag was justified vs my sport package Z.

If I was on road atlanta or buttonwillow and had more seat time I am sure my experience would have been different, but I still stand by my opinion its too much of a car for the kind of driving I am doing, maybe if I ever move back to FL I would definitely consider it again.

I will admit when I got on the interstate the c7 made a lot more sense lol, its a highway bomber, we are talking b52 vs A10.

I think the seat time will make a difference. Also, I haven't driven the base C7 in that kind of environment so I can't really comment on how that performs. If you ever get a chance to drive a Z51 with the magnetic ride suspension, I think it will change your opinion. The price tag though is the biggest hurdle to get over. That's why I bought a used one and to me the price difference was absolutely worth it.

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

This is my impression of the C7 on the street in economy mode, Or as DD feels like a glorified fast comfortable Camry? Lol because I drive a camry.
Dial in to a sport or track mode this is like David Banner transforming into a green Incredible Hulk via notch of a dial with matching growl of open quad pipes. Then start praying for your passengers safety! Lol

I almost never drive in economy mode. Last time I drove it in economy was when I reached the top of the dragon and the gas light came on, lol. I DD it on sport mode and kick it into track for spirited driving. BTW if your looking for any mod ideas, check out my Corsa Xtreme exhaust video from my sig. It is the perfect exhaust note for this car and IMO no exhaust on the Z could ever make it sound this good.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-26-2017, 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=b1adesofcha0s;3620595]Ok fair point about first impressions. However, as someone who has owned both cars for an extensive period I can tell you for sure that the C7 is definitely not "out of place" on the dragon. I will definitely say that statement is not true.

My comparison wasn't against a stock Z either. When I had my Z down at the dragon, it had swift springs, eibach sways, custom alignment, full bolt-ons, and a tune. It would take MUCH more than that to make it comparable to the C7. The biggest advantage for the Z is definitely the price.

LOL @ Mustang mentality. When you're trying to explain why you'd rather have a modded Z over a C7 and make statements like "better isn't always better", maybe you should look in the mirror about that Mustang mentality.

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Oh my goodness you make me want to drive and bring my C7 and test it at the dragon. Having the C7 just for a few months and only driving it for 300miles. I think I need to learn and respect the car more as it's really a fast car and would demand a lot of driving skill to drive like a mad man at the dragon.
The corvette packs double the power of my Z with less the weight so go figure how the vett does when you drive it. It's a bullet with 4 wheels.

Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble as the Z. But once I get more driving time with my vette, I'm sure I'll be able to control this beast.

The C7 vette is certainly a different type of car, I love my 370 but the vette hits the sweet spot like a G spot. Ask a satisfied girl and you know what I mean.

Kudos.
/QUOTE]

Nice! I 100% agree with that last paragraph. I loved my Z, but I have had way more fun with the C7. Especially true at the dragon for ZDayZ. I went last year like 3 months after buying the car. I did build confidence in driving it on the dragon pretty quickly. Seemed like every day I had to take down the traction control one level because I was driving that much faster compared to the previous day. Then I let Z1NONLY drive my car with all the traction control off to show me just how slow I was actually driving it

I think the seat time will make a difference. Also, I haven't driven the base C7 in that kind of environment so I can't really comment on how that performs. If you ever get a chance to drive a Z51 with the magnetic ride suspension, I think it will change your opinion. The price tag though is the biggest hurdle to get over. That's why I bought a used one and to me the price difference was absolutely worth it.

I almost never drive in economy mode. Last time I drove it in economy was when I reached the top of the dragon and the gas light came on, lol. I DD it on sport mode and kick it into track for spirited driving. BTW if your looking for any mod ideas, check out my Corsa Xtreme exhaust video from my sig. It is the perfect exhaust note for this car and IMO no exhaust on the Z could ever make it sound this good.

When I said better isn't always better. I meant it in this scenario.

1. Maybe 460HP may be a lot for some people to handle in the corners with how wide the car is...

2. Maybe the car might have too costly maintainable for some buyers.

3. Maybe people are searching for more analog experiences I.e. lotus evora or 4C.

We established the corvette is a superior vehicle to the Z. But better isn't always better was referring to what people may demand out of their car. You not being able to still decipher what I meant and me have to explain the mustang mentality is proof of your "get off my lawn, mustang mentality".
Cuz by saying better isn't always better I was talking about what kind of characteristics I want from my car.

That's what I'm having a hard time with when it comes to my Z. That Alfa Romeo Giulia seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. But I want it low slung n in 2 doors and a hatch. That's why I beat off to that 6c sketch every night. Wishing and hoping for something like that in a low slung coupe with Giulia performance. Another car that makes me nut that would be great in a RWD hatch is the AMG GLA/CLA45

Those are the characteristics I'm looking for, just analog. I'm praying someone does it without the electronic crap. While my experience behind a corvette GS was phenomenal. I know what stirs my soul. To me a v8 car like that is a secondary goal after the kind of car I just described. Everyone has their preferences.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-26-2017, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

When I said better isn't always better. I meant it in this scenario.

1. Maybe 460HP may be a lot for some people to handle in the corners with how wide the car is...

2. Maybe the car might have too costly maintainable for some buyers.

3. Maybe people are searching for more analog experiences I.e. lotus evora or 4C.

We established the corvette is a superior vehicle to the Z. But better isn't always better was referring to what people may demand out of their car. You not being able to still decipher what I meant and me have to explain the mustang mentality is proof of your "get off my lawn, mustang mentality".
Cuz by saying better isn't always better I was talking about what kind of characteristics I want from my car.

That's what I'm having a hard time with when it comes to my Z. That Alfa Romeo Giulia seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. But I want it low slung n in 2 doors and a hatch. That's why I beat off to that 6c sketch every night. Wishing and hoping for something like that in a low slung coupe with Giulia performance. Another car that makes me nut that would be great in a RWD hatch is the AMG GLA/CLA45

Those are the characteristics I'm looking for, just analog. I'm praying someone does it without the electronic crap. While my experience behind a corvette GS was phenomenal. I know what stirs my soul. To me a v8 car like that is a secondary goal after the kind of car I just described. Everyone has their preferences.

I can't read your mind dude. I don't know what you mean when you say "better isn't always better" with no further clarification. If you had said "better isn't always better for me" then it would have made a lot more sense. I still have no idea what you mean by "get off my lawn, mustang mentality". To me, mustang mentality is "my mustang with x, y, and z mods is totally a better car than this other car" with the other car usually being considered superior by most non-biased parties.

The only statement that I was strongly disagreeing with was that the C7 would be out of place on the dragon. As the only one here who's driven both cars on the dragon, I think my opinion carries a little more weight in that discussion. Now whether you enjoy the Z or the C7 more depends on your preferences, but that doesn't mean either of them are out of place. Just a ridiculous statement IMO.

If you want a Giulia that's low slung and has 2 doors, why not look at the 4C? It's more similar to the Z than a Giulia. It's got that sexy Alfa look, more analog feel, and sports car dimensions. Seems like everything you're looking for. It's in the same price range as the C7 if your looking at new ones there. I thought about getting one too, but the desire for a V8 was too strong.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-21-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I can't read your mind dude. I don't know what you mean when you say "better isn't always better" with no further clarification. If you had said "better isn't always better for me" then it would have made a lot more sense. I still have no idea what you mean by "get off my lawn, mustang mentality". To me, mustang mentality is "my mustang with x, y, and z mods is totally a better car than this other car" with the other car usually being considered superior by most non-biased parties.

The only statement that I was strongly disagreeing with was that the C7 would be out of place on the dragon. As the only one here who's driven both cars on the dragon, I think my opinion carries a little more weight in that discussion. Now whether you enjoy the Z or the C7 more depends on your preferences, but that doesn't mean either of them are out of place. Just a ridiculous statement IMO.

If you want a Giulia that's low slung and has 2 doors, why not look at the 4C? It's more similar to the Z than a Giulia. It's got that sexy Alfa look, more analog feel, and sports car dimensions. Seems like everything you're looking for. It's in the same price range as the C7 if your looking at new ones there. I thought about getting one too, but the desire for a V8 was too strong.

I totally agree about the dragon statement. Even the C6 GS would shred the dragon. But other than that. People are different in there tastes.... my bad for not getting what you're saying.

As far as the 4C... It's just claustrophobic in the sense there's no storage. The Z trunk is about yey perfect. I want my car to be daily driveable just a Lil. I really love the vette and the Alfa 4c. I want something sized right in between. It's been the hardest decision in terms of what to do. I conceptually love the 911 capabilities. but... I'm not the biggest fan of the style. Then there's The M2, another car that delivers great power and handling but, I'm also not a fan of the styling. Then throw in I'd be a "BMW owner".

So everything that I love in looks doesn't quite look right and cars that look right are lacking the type of experience I'm looking for. Lol.

But you're right.... the 4c is closest to that mark I'm looking for. Alfa is supposed to be coming out with a couple more coupes. Maybe they'll come out with a car that has quadrifoglio power and handling but with Z like dimensions I'm thinking of just trading for the 2015+ Nismo Z34 mod it n get a Giulia as well and call it a day.

To me, the selection out there is poor. The Cayman corvette and M2 are the most sensible to purchase but I don't want them. I know.... I'm a scrambled egg on this. When I see the Z concept, that WILL HELP my decision A LOT!!

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