2017 Corvette Grand Sport!!

Redglare · 02-22-2017, 02:25 PM

My experience about the c7; it's just too much of a car for where I live right now. Backroad carving is NOT what it was built for, sure it does it well but the Z is way more at home, maybe it has to do with dimensions but I feel like the c7 is built for states with long flat wide roads, I can't imaging how out of place a c7 would be at the dragon.

280z/300zx · 02-22-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Redglare

My experience about the c7; it's just too much of a car for where I live right now. Backroad carving is NOT what it was built for, sure it does it well but the Z is way more at home, maybe it has to do with dimensions but I feel like the c7 is built for states with long flat wide roads, I can't imaging how out of place a c7 would be at the dragon.

Not true. My car club is mostly Camaros and Vettes. Back when I had my 370z NISMO the Vettes (C7's) had no problem keeping up with my Z on tight canyon roads. And on the other end of the spectrum I never felt like I had to hold back because the Vette in front of me couldn't go fast enough. I can only imagine the new GS being even better. I know my current C6 GS is every bit as nimble as my Z was and obviously faster in a straight. I've auto-x a regular C6 Vette and will agree that it did not feel as nimble as the Z did. You really had to fight to get it to turn in and then on exit you would feel over rotated. The C7 vettes I've driven on canyon roads were no less nimble than my Z and just as confident inspiring. Of course the way a car feels is very dependent on the person driving it, but I've never felt the C7 (regular or Z51) was lacking in any way compared to the Z. I'm sure the new GS is even better

Redglare · 02-22-2017, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Not true. My car club is mostly Camaros and Vettes. Back when I had my 370z NISMO the Vettes (C7's) had no problem keeping up with my Z on tight canyon roads. And on the other end of the spectrum I never felt like I had to hold back because the Vette in front of me couldn't go fast enough. I can only imagine the new GS being even better. I know my current C6 GS is every bit as nimble as my Z was and obviously faster in a straight. I've auto-x a regular C6 Vette and will agree that it did not feel as nimble as the Z did. You really had to fight to get it to turn in and then on exit you would feel over rotated. The C7 vettes I've driven on canyon roads were no less nimble than my Z and just as confident inspiring. Of course the way a car feels is very dependent on the person driving it, but I've never felt the C7 (regular or Z51) was lacking in any way compared to the Z. I'm sure the new GS is even better

I guess it depends on the road, a cannyon road with long wide sweepers I can see how it makes sense there, but say a really tight backroad like 90% of roads in TN, its just too much of a car, the Z feels just right with its power/weight ratio and size. The c7 needs a really wide less curvy road to open it up and enjoy it. Probably depends a lot on tires too, the Z had continental DWs at that point and C7 had supersports

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-25-2017, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Not true. My car club is mostly Camaros and Vettes. Back when I had my 370z NISMO the Vettes (C7's) had no problem keeping up with my Z on tight canyon roads. And on the other end of the spectrum I never felt like I had to hold back because the Vette in front of me couldn't go fast enough. I can only imagine the new GS being even better. I know my current C6 GS is every bit as nimble as my Z was and obviously faster in a straight. I've auto-x a regular C6 Vette and will agree that it did not feel as nimble as the Z did. You really had to fight to get it to turn in and then on exit you would feel over rotated. The C7 vettes I've driven on canyon roads were no less nimble than my Z and just as confident inspiring. Of course the way a car feels is very dependent on the person driving it, but I've never felt the C7 (regular or Z51) was lacking in any way compared to the Z. I'm sure the new GS is even better

The GS is sick. My only complaints were numb steering n bigger than I like my coupes to be.

Zoren 370 · 02-25-2017, 10:04 PM

This is my impression of the C7 on the street in economy mode, Or as DD feels like a glorified fast comfortable Camry? Lol because I drive a camry.
Dial in to a sport or track mode this is like David Banner transforming into a green Incredible Hulk via notch of a dial with matching growl of open quad pipes. Then start praying for your passengers safety! Lol

b1adesofcha0s · 02-26-2017, 08:55 AM

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I have koni shocks swift springs eibach sways a custom alignment a straight pipes, a Nismo muffler and an oil cooler. My mods are around $2,200 and fairly simple. Every thing you said about the Z I fixed. Dimensionally it's a better car. Stock performance the vette is a much better car. I drove a GS and it was AMAZING. But it STILL wasn't that kind of amazing that can pull me out of a Z. It's really hard finding a car at a reasonable price that can give you everything you're looking for.

I don't think it's fair to say HES WRONG. He just has a different opinion. As an owner you have accustomed yourself. He's based on a first impression. I can see how his first impression left him feeling that way though my experience was way more positive.

Better isn't always better. I still felt more connected to my Z on my first time driving a Z than my first time driving a vette. I never had to get used to a Z from the first ride.

When you desire something really bad, you adjust. When you don't get an awesome first impression. You don't.

You gotta get over your mustang mentality bruh.

Ok fair point about first impressions. However, as someone who has owned both cars for an extensive period I can tell you for sure that the C7 is definitely not "out of place" on the dragon. I will definitely say that statement is not true.

My comparison wasn't against a stock Z either. When I had my Z down at the dragon, it had swift springs, eibach sways, custom alignment, full bolt-ons, and a tune. It would take MUCH more than that to make it comparable to the C7. The biggest advantage for the Z is definitely the price.

LOL @ Mustang mentality. When you're trying to explain why you'd rather have a modded Z over a C7 and make statements like "better isn't always better", maybe you should look in the mirror about that Mustang mentality.

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Oh my goodness you make me want to drive and bring my C7 and test it at the dragon. Having the C7 just for a few months and only driving it for 300miles. I think I need to learn and respect the car more as it's really a fast car and would demand a lot of driving skill to drive like a mad man at the dragon.
The corvette packs double the power of my Z with less the weight so go figure how the vett does when you drive it. It's a bullet with 4 wheels.

Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble as the Z. But once I get more driving time with my vette, I'm sure I'll be able to control this beast.

The C7 vette is certainly a different type of car, I love my 370 but the vette hits the sweet spot like a G spot. Ask a satisfied girl and you know what I mean.

Kudos.

Nice! I 100% agree with that last paragraph. I loved my Z, but I have had way more fun with the C7. Especially true at the dragon for ZDayZ. I went last year like 3 months after buying the car. I did build confidence in driving it on the dragon pretty quickly. Seemed like every day I had to take down the traction control one level because I was driving that much faster compared to the previous day. Then I let Z1NONLY drive my car with all the traction control off to show me just how slow I was actually driving it

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A good analogy of my experience; if you put the new miata and our Z on a go-kart track, the Z won't be able to shine.
I had the same experience with a base c7, I drove both cars back to back on some twisty TN roads, analogous to the dragon, but with tighter curves and less room to really open it up.
No one is disputing the c7 is a faster car in the proper environment, all I am saying is from my limited test drive (maybe 50-60 miles max) it felt way too big and did not feel like the price tag was justified vs my sport package Z.

If I was on road atlanta or buttonwillow and had more seat time I am sure my experience would have been different, but I still stand by my opinion its too much of a car for the kind of driving I am doing, maybe if I ever move back to FL I would definitely consider it again.

I will admit when I got on the interstate the c7 made a lot more sense lol, its a highway bomber, we are talking b52 vs A10.

I think the seat time will make a difference. Also, I haven't driven the base C7 in that kind of environment so I can't really comment on how that performs. If you ever get a chance to drive a Z51 with the magnetic ride suspension, I think it will change your opinion. The price tag though is the biggest hurdle to get over. That's why I bought a used one and to me the price difference was absolutely worth it.

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

This is my impression of the C7 on the street in economy mode, Or as DD feels like a glorified fast comfortable Camry? Lol because I drive a camry.
Dial in to a sport or track mode this is like David Banner transforming into a green Incredible Hulk via notch of a dial with matching growl of open quad pipes. Then start praying for your passengers safety! Lol

I almost never drive in economy mode. Last time I drove it in economy was when I reached the top of the dragon and the gas light came on, lol. I DD it on sport mode and kick it into track for spirited driving. BTW if your looking for any mod ideas, check out my Corsa Xtreme exhaust video from my sig. It is the perfect exhaust note for this car and IMO no exhaust on the Z could ever make it sound this good.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-26-2017, 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=b1adesofcha0s;3620595]Ok fair point about first impressions. However, as someone who has owned both cars for an extensive period I can tell you for sure that the C7 is definitely not "out of place" on the dragon. I will definitely say that statement is not true.

My comparison wasn't against a stock Z either. When I had my Z down at the dragon, it had swift springs, eibach sways, custom alignment, full bolt-ons, and a tune. It would take MUCH more than that to make it comparable to the C7. The biggest advantage for the Z is definitely the price.

LOL @ Mustang mentality. When you're trying to explain why you'd rather have a modded Z over a C7 and make statements like "better isn't always better", maybe you should look in the mirror about that Mustang mentality.

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Oh my goodness you make me want to drive and bring my C7 and test it at the dragon. Having the C7 just for a few months and only driving it for 300miles. I think I need to learn and respect the car more as it's really a fast car and would demand a lot of driving skill to drive like a mad man at the dragon.
The corvette packs double the power of my Z with less the weight so go figure how the vett does when you drive it. It's a bullet with 4 wheels.

Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble as the Z. But once I get more driving time with my vette, I'm sure I'll be able to control this beast.

The C7 vette is certainly a different type of car, I love my 370 but the vette hits the sweet spot like a G spot. Ask a satisfied girl and you know what I mean.

Kudos.
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Nice! I 100% agree with that last paragraph. I loved my Z, but I have had way more fun with the C7. Especially true at the dragon for ZDayZ. I went last year like 3 months after buying the car. I did build confidence in driving it on the dragon pretty quickly. Seemed like every day I had to take down the traction control one level because I was driving that much faster compared to the previous day. Then I let Z1NONLY drive my car with all the traction control off to show me just how slow I was actually driving it

I think the seat time will make a difference. Also, I haven't driven the base C7 in that kind of environment so I can't really comment on how that performs. If you ever get a chance to drive a Z51 with the magnetic ride suspension, I think it will change your opinion. The price tag though is the biggest hurdle to get over. That's why I bought a used one and to me the price difference was absolutely worth it.

I almost never drive in economy mode. Last time I drove it in economy was when I reached the top of the dragon and the gas light came on, lol. I DD it on sport mode and kick it into track for spirited driving. BTW if your looking for any mod ideas, check out my Corsa Xtreme exhaust video from my sig. It is the perfect exhaust note for this car and IMO no exhaust on the Z could ever make it sound this good.

When I said better isn't always better. I meant it in this scenario.

1. Maybe 460HP may be a lot for some people to handle in the corners with how wide the car is...

2. Maybe the car might have too costly maintainable for some buyers.

3. Maybe people are searching for more analog experiences I.e. lotus evora or 4C.

We established the corvette is a superior vehicle to the Z. But better isn't always better was referring to what people may demand out of their car. You not being able to still decipher what I meant and me have to explain the mustang mentality is proof of your "get off my lawn, mustang mentality".
Cuz by saying better isn't always better I was talking about what kind of characteristics I want from my car.

That's what I'm having a hard time with when it comes to my Z. That Alfa Romeo Giulia seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. But I want it low slung n in 2 doors and a hatch. That's why I beat off to that 6c sketch every night. Wishing and hoping for something like that in a low slung coupe with Giulia performance. Another car that makes me nut that would be great in a RWD hatch is the AMG GLA/CLA45

Those are the characteristics I'm looking for, just analog. I'm praying someone does it without the electronic crap. While my experience behind a corvette GS was phenomenal. I know what stirs my soul. To me a v8 car like that is a secondary goal after the kind of car I just described. Everyone has their preferences.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-26-2017, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

When I said better isn't always better. I meant it in this scenario.

1. Maybe 460HP may be a lot for some people to handle in the corners with how wide the car is...

2. Maybe the car might have too costly maintainable for some buyers.

3. Maybe people are searching for more analog experiences I.e. lotus evora or 4C.

We established the corvette is a superior vehicle to the Z. But better isn't always better was referring to what people may demand out of their car. You not being able to still decipher what I meant and me have to explain the mustang mentality is proof of your "get off my lawn, mustang mentality".
Cuz by saying better isn't always better I was talking about what kind of characteristics I want from my car.

That's what I'm having a hard time with when it comes to my Z. That Alfa Romeo Giulia seems to be exactly what I'm looking for. But I want it low slung n in 2 doors and a hatch. That's why I beat off to that 6c sketch every night. Wishing and hoping for something like that in a low slung coupe with Giulia performance. Another car that makes me nut that would be great in a RWD hatch is the AMG GLA/CLA45

Those are the characteristics I'm looking for, just analog. I'm praying someone does it without the electronic crap. While my experience behind a corvette GS was phenomenal. I know what stirs my soul. To me a v8 car like that is a secondary goal after the kind of car I just described. Everyone has their preferences.

I can't read your mind dude. I don't know what you mean when you say "better isn't always better" with no further clarification. If you had said "better isn't always better for me" then it would have made a lot more sense. I still have no idea what you mean by "get off my lawn, mustang mentality". To me, mustang mentality is "my mustang with x, y, and z mods is totally a better car than this other car" with the other car usually being considered superior by most non-biased parties.

The only statement that I was strongly disagreeing with was that the C7 would be out of place on the dragon. As the only one here who's driven both cars on the dragon, I think my opinion carries a little more weight in that discussion. Now whether you enjoy the Z or the C7 more depends on your preferences, but that doesn't mean either of them are out of place. Just a ridiculous statement IMO.

If you want a Giulia that's low slung and has 2 doors, why not look at the 4C? It's more similar to the Z than a Giulia. It's got that sexy Alfa look, more analog feel, and sports car dimensions. Seems like everything you're looking for. It's in the same price range as the C7 if your looking at new ones there. I thought about getting one too, but the desire for a V8 was too strong.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-24-2017, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Redglare

My experience about the c7; it's just too much of a car for where I live right now. Backroad carving is NOT what it was built for, sure it does it well but the Z is way more at home, maybe it has to do with dimensions but I feel like the c7 is built for states with long flat wide roads, I can't imaging how out of place a c7 would be at the dragon.

Man you have noooooo idea how wrong you are about that. I took my C7 to ZDayZ last year and my 370Z to ZDayZ the year before that. The C7 absolutely obliterates the Z in every way. It was more balanced/neutral in the turns on the Dragon where the Z would have a bit more understeer. Had much better brakes on the C7, though my Z only had base brakes. The magnetic ride suspension was fantastic on all the turns, elevation changes, and some of the rougher road surfaces. Didn't have any cooling issues like I did with the Z. All of this doesn't even take into account the glorious sound of the V8 roaring up the mountains with the Targa top off. Really hard to beat that.

It did take a little bit of time to adjust to the size of the C7 compared to the Z, but I got used to it in like a week. Once you get past that initial phase, it doesn't actually feel so big when you're hitting the back roads spiritedly. FYI I have a Z51 with the magnetic ride option. Had the same PSS tires on both cars, but obvioiusly in different sizes.

I don't know exactly where or how you drove a C7, but having owned both cars I would say you're absolutely wrong about the C7. I enjoy it more on backroads than I did the Z and it has no issues with tight backroads. I was able to open it up plenty on the dragon. It built so much more confidence in my driving that I consciously had to hold myself back because I was afraid to go any faster.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 05:16 PM

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Man you have noooooo idea how wrong you are about that. I took my C7 to ZDayZ last year and my 370Z to ZDayZ the year before that. The C7 absolutely obliterates the Z in every way. It was more balanced/neutral in the turns on the Dragon where the Z would have a bit more understeer. Had much better brakes on the C7, though my Z only had base brakes. The magnetic ride suspension was fantastic on all the turns, elevation changes, and some of the rougher road surfaces. Didn't have any cooling issues like I did with the Z. All of this doesn't even take into account the glorious sound of the V8 roaring up the mountains with the Targa top off. Really hard to beat that.

It did take a little bit of time to adjust to the size of the C7 compared to the Z, but I got used to it in like a week. Once you get past that initial phase, it doesn't actually feel so big when you're hitting the back roads spiritedly. FYI I have a Z51 with the magnetic ride option. Had the same PSS tires on both cars, but obvioiusly in different sizes.

I don't know exactly where or how you drove a C7, but having owned both cars I would say you're absolutely wrong about the C7. I enjoy it more on backroads than I did the Z and it has no issues with tight backroads. I was able to open it up plenty on the dragon. It built so much more confidence in my driving that I consciously had to hold myself back because I was afraid to go any faster.

I have koni shocks swift springs eibach sways a custom alignment a straight pipes, a Nismo muffler and an oil cooler. My mods are around $2,200 and fairly simple. Every thing you said about the Z I fixed. Dimensionally it's a better car. Stock performance the vette is a much better car. I drove a GS and it was AMAZING. But it STILL wasn't that kind of amazing that can pull me out of a Z. It's really hard finding a car at a reasonable price that can give you everything you're looking for.

I don't think it's fair to say HES WRONG. He just has a different opinion. As an owner you have accustomed yourself. He's based on a first impression. I can see how his first impression left him feeling that way though my experience was way more positive.

Better isn't always better. I still felt more connected to my Z on my first time driving a Z than my first time driving a vette. I never had to get used to a Z from the first ride.

When you desire something really bad, you adjust. When you don't get an awesome first impression. You don't.

You gotta get over your mustang mentality bruh.

Zoren 370 · 02-24-2017, 09:10 PM

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Man you have noooooo idea how wrong you are about that. I took my C7 to ZDayZ last year and my 370Z to ZDayZ the year before that. The C7 absolutely obliterates the Z in every way. It was more balanced/neutral in the turns on the Dragon where the Z would have a bit more understeer. Had much better brakes on the C7, though my Z only had base brakes. The magnetic ride suspension was fantastic on all the turns, elevation changes, and some of the rougher road surfaces. Didn't have any cooling issues like I did with the Z. All of this doesn't even take into account the glorious sound of the V8 roaring up the mountains with the Targa top off. Really hard to beat that.

It did take a little bit of time to adjust to the size of the C7 compared to the Z, but I got used to it in like a week. Once you get past that initial phase, it doesn't actually feel so big when you're hitting the back roads spiritedly. FYI I have a Z51 with the magnetic ride option. Had the same PSS tires on both cars, but obvioiusly in different sizes.

I don't know exactly where or how you drove a C7, but having owned both cars I would say you're absolutely wrong about the C7. I enjoy it more on backroads than I did the Z and it has no issues with tight backroads. I was able to open it up plenty on the dragon. It built so much more confidence in my driving that I consciously had to hold myself back because I was afraid to go any faster.

Oh my goodness you make me want to drive and bring my C7 and test it at the dragon. Having the C7 just for a few months and only driving it for 300miles. I think I need to learn and respect the car more as it's really a fast car and would demand a lot of driving skill to drive like a mad man at the dragon.
The corvette packs double the power of my Z with less the weight so go figure how the vett does when you drive it. It's a bullet with 4 wheels.

Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble as the Z. But once I get more driving time with my vette, I'm sure I'll be able to control this beast.

The C7 vette is certainly a different type of car, I love my 370 but the vette hits the sweet spot like a G spot. Ask a satisfied girl and you know what I mean.

Kudos.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-24-2017, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

Oh my goodness you make me want to drive and bring my C7 and test it at the dragon. Having the C7 just for a few months and only driving it for 300miles. I think I need to learn and respect the car more as it's really a fast car and would demand a lot of driving skill to drive like a mad man at the dragon.
The corvette packs double the power of my Z with less the weight so go figure how the vett does when you drive it. It's a bullet with 4 wheels.

Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble as the Z. But once I get more driving time with my vette, I'm sure I'll be able to control this beast.

The C7 vette is certainly a different type of car, I love my 370 but the vette hits the sweet spot like a G spot. Ask a satisfied girl and you know what I mean.

Kudos.

Well said sir.

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Zoren 370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL Posts: 11,018 Drives: 11 Nissan 370 M6 Rep Power: 1913655	This is my impression of the C7 on the street in economy mode, Or as DD feels like a glorified fast comfortable Camry? Lol because I drive a camry. Dial in to a sport or track mode this is like David Banner transforming into a green Incredible Hulk via notch of a dial with matching growl of open quad pipes. Then start praying for your passengers safety! Lol UNKNOWN_370 likes this. Last edited by Zoren 370; 02-25-2017 at 10:06 PM.

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Redglare Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: FL Posts: 387 Drives: C172 Skyhawk GIII Rep Power: 176	My experience about the c7; it's just too much of a car for where I live right now. Backroad carving is NOT what it was built for, sure it does it well but the Z is way more at home, maybe it has to do with dimensions but I feel like the c7 is built for states with long flat wide roads, I can't imaging how out of place a c7 would be at the dragon.