The next gen Z!

UNKNOWN_370

Not quite. The Z has no competitor in its class. But if we are going to get technical. The Z is a 3.7 liter V6 with a starting pricepoint of $33k. The V6 mustang is also a 3.7, also in the 300hp range. Weighs about 150lbs more than the Z and is RWD.
The v8 mustang is in the 400hp range,, is about 200lbs heavier and meets the criteria of a whole different segment.
Its not Nissans fault that no one else has built a class leading v6 in power except BMW AND PORSCHE. Which the Z kind of competes with those from a technical standpoint.

You can argue price all day long... But at the end of the day, true competitors share technical comparisons. Its ego that will pin a Z against a 5.0. Doesn't make sense.... they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Personal preference of sports car type is a whole different argument. If you want to say... for 35k i'd rather have a 4 seat muscle car over a 2 seat sports car. That's a whole other story. Price competition and being competitors are two different things.

m4a1mustang

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You mean the 5.0 badges right? Those are clearly V6 mustangs

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The Z and Mustang 5.0 are regular competitors in pro racing. Just look at the races for the Doran racing team. They're regularly competing with mustangs, camaros, m3's, etc.

You can argue different classes all day long, but an overwhelming majority of consumers (including those who look at performance cars) use price to compare different "classes" of cars. You can't just look at the # of cylinders to determine competitor, especially now when companies are downsizing and adding FI.

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UNKNOWN_370

That's exactly my point. You can use price to argue about your purchase. But at the end of the day... there are seperate spec classes. Now you say the Doran races compare them. But I would have to know what's happening under the hood of those cars to argue that. I don't. Modifed racing narrows gaps and that's another ballpark altogether. But whatever... the same 5 guys are gonna argue about the same mustang shyt for the 500th time... The same Z jockers and mustang fanboys run the same argument since the 2011 mustang came out and its pretty silly if you think about it.

1. This is a Z forum so bias is going for a Z.
2. Mustang jockers are trying to convert the thinking of people that want to be one sided.
3. Mustangs and Z's from stock are two different types of cars.
4. BRZ's are totally different from us and stangs.

Damn, I have a Titan pick up that's 40k... let me stack it up against my Z since they both run about $40k. Oh, the Nismo and Landrover evoque... yeah that'll work???? Come on dudes. Specs mean everything.

No car gets put up against everything under the sun as the Z does over price... lol

Ego comparison. Even when the mustang 4.6 was getting taken down by Z's, I always saw two totally different cars. But to each his own I guess. Enjoy 501 arguing the same argument.

m4a1mustang

The problem with specs is you're being too specific.

Most people shop based on very broad segments. Mustang, 370Z, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. could all be thrown into the "Sports Car / Sporty Car" segment. So they'll get compared against one another as long as they are close in price.

Will they look at a Tundra? No, because it's not a "sports car / sporty car."

That's just the way the world works.

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I dunno bout that bruh... I threw the Jeep wrangler unlimited in the mix when I bought the G37s. And I'm contemplating one again. My dilemma is stay in the sports arena or go off-road. Again, the Jeep wrangler is in the same price point as the Z. Of course I want to see what happens in the sports car world. But I have the JW unlimited in my sights as well.
The general concensus will generally look at cars in the same price point. AND I agree with that...

BUT... When you look at it... Any and every other reason outside of price is personal preference. Also, for most. A mustang buyer may call a Z a complete non competitor based on it being two seats. Whether its due to carrying people, storage space or needing back seats for that booming system. 6 out of 10buyers know they either want a 2 seater or 4 seater. Most don't cross-shop both. And when people need a 4 seater, but opt for the 2 seater for cool factor? That car will be traded for something else in a year or 2. You can throw in a 5.0 and do the same thing... But it pretty much ends there.
This is why imho... the true competition lies in power, suspension and technology within a certain price constraint. Give or take $10k, But this price shyt taken to another level makes things too unspecific...

For example a loaded v6 mustang and a base +sport Z while not true competitors either. Share enough. Tech specs to compare specs. So maybe we don't expect the stang to win. But the comparo would be. What percentage of performance can the stang v6 offer against a Z in spite of the price deficit. Now the Z may outperform at $37k vs the stang $32k. But I would say this. The stang creates x amount of grip, can do this that and the other. With a price deficit of $5k. You are getting a good deal. If you shell out another $5k, you can have the Z which offers XYZ. But @ 32k. The stang will offer you abc amenities vs a Z that will be bare. Make sense?

But throwing both on the same track would be dumb inho. So I wouldn't compare beyond that.

cavemancan

Agreed if that was the case then no one would be competing against a 16 cyl Veyron. In that compareson only power to weight and top speed need apply.

In our case its performance per $. What do you get for the money and unfortunately for me an Ugly Mustang seems to have a strong argument. I think I'd rather go slower LOL! Not...buys mods.

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I'll make sure to make my next purchase decision while completely ignoring price.


I do agree that the v6 mustang is probably the closer competitor to the z, though probably not for the same reasons you do.

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I can haz ride in your future Veyron?

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