The next gen Z!

cavemancan

The Boss 302 package is a performance package is it not? One that clearly works and makes the mustang much faster.

The Nismo package does nothing more then make it pretty. Touring adds some bells and whisltes but thats it. The Sports package is the only relevant package at what $34k. So $34k 370z compared to a $40k Mustang is not a fair compareson. You can add a butt load of after market for that price difference.

Either way I resinded my comment concerning the newer mustangs with exception.

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b1adesofcha0s

The Nismo comes with 18 HP more than the base or sport pkg Z and a slightly different suspension. How is this not a performance package? Prices are the same either way, doesn't matter if they are actually worth it or not. The Nismo (Nissan Motorsports) is considered the performance model of the 370Z, just like the Boss is considered the performance model of the Mustang (in addition to the GT500, but that's a different story).

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cavemancan

It is not...Sport model MSRP is $36,900 and Boss is $42,200. Thats still over $5k difference.

Because 18 more HP and suspension components did nothing for it's track times as compared to a base Sport model.

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UNKNOWN_370

The body kit on the Nismo creates more downforce, wider tires slightly improve the grip. Tighter spring ratio make the car more stable in turns. While the Nismo performance upgrade doesn't change performance numbers. It creates a better more racy driving experience... Yes its true that about 1800 in mods can give u the same performance as a sport. Track times don't even need the Nismo pkg. But you will be putting more effort to be track stable.

The stang Boss302... you know nothing about that car. With the 2013 GT packages you can make a Boss without the Boss Body. The Nismo and the stang don't qualify on the same track if we're looking for proper matches. I wish people would stop comparing Z's and Stangs... And if you want to compare the two? Sadly, the V6 is the Z competitor. Which its still not in the same league.


Lastly... wasn't this a BRZ thread? This thread has become garbage due to wick wack posting.

b1adesofcha0s

This was a next gen Z thread. The 5.0 Mustang is a competitor to the Z as a performance car in the same price range, so I think it's a fair discussion and comparison.

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Red__Zed

good to know the Z can win against a car that costs half as much, since that is how we define "competitors"



no, I'm pretty sure it never was a BRZ thread.

UNKNOWN_370

Not quite. The Z has no competitor in its class. But if we are going to get technical. The Z is a 3.7 liter V6 with a starting pricepoint of $33k. The V6 mustang is also a 3.7, also in the 300hp range. Weighs about 150lbs more than the Z and is RWD.
The v8 mustang is in the 400hp range,, is about 200lbs heavier and meets the criteria of a whole different segment.
Its not Nissans fault that no one else has built a class leading v6 in power except BMW AND PORSCHE. Which the Z kind of competes with those from a technical standpoint.

You can argue price all day long... But at the end of the day, true competitors share technical comparisons. Its ego that will pin a Z against a 5.0. Doesn't make sense.... they wouldn't even race in the same arena if it were a true roadcoarse and not some ameteur auto X.

Personal preference of sports car type is a whole different argument. If you want to say... for 35k i'd rather have a 4 seat muscle car over a 2 seat sports car. That's a whole other story. Price competition and being competitors are two different things.

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Obviously photoshopped.

b1adesofcha0s

You mean the 5.0 badges right? Those are clearly V6 mustangs

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b1adesofcha0s

The Z and Mustang 5.0 are regular competitors in pro racing. Just look at the races for the Doran racing team. They're regularly competing with mustangs, camaros, m3's, etc.

You can argue different classes all day long, but an overwhelming majority of consumers (including those who look at performance cars) use price to compare different "classes" of cars. You can't just look at the # of cylinders to determine competitor, especially now when companies are downsizing and adding FI.

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That's exactly my point. You can use price to argue about your purchase. But at the end of the day... there are seperate spec classes. Now you say the Doran races compare them. But I would have to know what's happening under the hood of those cars to argue that. I don't. Modifed racing narrows gaps and that's another ballpark altogether. But whatever... the same 5 guys are gonna argue about the same mustang shyt for the 500th time... The same Z jockers and mustang fanboys run the same argument since the 2011 mustang came out and its pretty silly if you think about it.

1. This is a Z forum so bias is going for a Z.
2. Mustang jockers are trying to convert the thinking of people that want to be one sided.
3. Mustangs and Z's from stock are two different types of cars.
4. BRZ's are totally different from us and stangs.

Damn, I have a Titan pick up that's 40k... let me stack it up against my Z since they both run about $40k. Oh, the Nismo and Landrover evoque... yeah that'll work???? Come on dudes. Specs mean everything.

No car gets put up against everything under the sun as the Z does over price... lol

Ego comparison. Even when the mustang 4.6 was getting taken down by Z's, I always saw two totally different cars. But to each his own I guess. Enjoy 501 arguing the same argument.

m4a1mustang

The problem with specs is you're being too specific.

Most people shop based on very broad segments. Mustang, 370Z, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. could all be thrown into the "Sports Car / Sporty Car" segment. So they'll get compared against one another as long as they are close in price.

Will they look at a Tundra? No, because it's not a "sports car / sporty car."

That's just the way the world works.

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cavemancan

Agreed if that was the case then no one would be competing against a 16 cyl Veyron. In that compareson only power to weight and top speed need apply.

In our case its performance per $. What do you get for the money and unfortunately for me an Ugly Mustang seems to have a strong argument. I think I'd rather go slower LOL! Not...buys mods.

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Red__Zed

I'll make sure to make my next purchase decision while completely ignoring price.


I do agree that the v6 mustang is probably the closer competitor to the z, though probably not for the same reasons you do.