370Z Rigidity (Hz or Torsional/bending Nm-Deg) anyone?

ImportConvert · 12-31-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rj45

Thing is, driving the Z06 at regular speeds isn't all that special. It lacks the character that other sports cars have. The steering's over boosted at slow speeds, the clutch is easy...it almost feels like a regular car. If you can't enjoy its power and speed, it's just not that special of an experience. In other words, it's not like a GT3, for example. Though not as good a daily driver, that car has a nice amount of character. Even driving it slowly, you can appreciate the car's purposeful controls (all have nice weighting), its special sound, solid feel, etc. It's a much more unique experience.

To tell you the truth, if I were in the market for another Corvette, I would probably get a GS. It would feel nearly the same as the Z06 driving it around town, it's plenty quick and it has the targa top.

I heard that 2008+ got much better steering, are you talking about your experience with a pre '08 Z, or the improved 08+?

Also heard about the clutch. There is a spring you can remove/replace which makes it a lot more involving. About 5 minutes of your time.

I would love the GS EXCEPT for the targa top. I am not into removable roofs. That is the only reason (besides the cheap-looking rims that look like GM got some chinese company to copy the 370Z's.) that I would not buy one.

rj45 · 12-31-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yes but the Z06 is also an ego car. You know that you can roast 99.99% of the cars on the road you will ever encounter.

True.

ImportConvert · 12-31-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yes but the Z06 is also an ego car. You know that you can roast 99.99% of the cars on the road you will ever encounter.

I freely admit that is part of why I want one, but mainly, I want something that is unique. Something that "goes to 11". They made a little over 500 of them last year. It's far from "limited edition", but they are unique, if only in their stock capabilities. Right or wrong, practical or not, I have dreamed about owning either a Viper or Z06 since highschool.

I am very tempted, if the bank denies, to just save another $20K up this year and re-approach this problem this time in 2012 and catch the last C6 Z06's made and with 30K down, I don't think anyone is going to blink. Either way, what's just 1 more year for something you have dreamed about since you first got a car? I am leaning strongly toward toward that.

m4a1mustang · 12-31-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I freely admit that is part of why I want one, but mainly, I want something that is unique. Something that "goes to 11". They made a little over 500 of them last year. It's far from "limited edition", but they are unique, if only in their stock capabilities. Right or wrong, practical or not, I have dreamed about owning either a Viper or Z06 since highschool.

What guy doesn't? You read it here often that people try to paint the Corvette in a negative light... you know all the jokes... but you know that 100% of them would be ecstatic to get to drive a Z06 around town for a week. There's nothing quite like the "undisputed king of the road" feeling. This applies to large and small wangs alike.

ImportConvert · 12-31-2010, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

What guy doesn't? You read it here often that people try to paint the Corvette in a negative light... you know all the jokes... but you know that 100% of them would be ecstatic to get to drive a Z06 around town for a week. There's nothing quite like the "undisputed king of the road" feeling. This applies to large and small wangs alike.

Indeed. Damn GM for making the ZR1. The enhancement of the Z06 just isn't what it used to be, but the smallblock 427 is so much more a work of art than a tarted up LS3 with a blower on top, from the artwork side of it. To me, a true sports car is art in motion. This is why I dog on the mustang's SRA. Even if it did EVERYTHING EXACTLY the same as IRS, it just isn't as artitic to me. It's not just performance, it's the engineering of the Z06 that I like. I love mechanical, technical things, and that car has more innovation in it at that price-range than anything else I can think of.

m4a1mustang · 12-31-2010, 09:20 AM

SRA with a nice watts link is pretty artistic.

rj45 · 12-31-2010, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I heard that 2008+ got much better steering, are you talking about your experience with a pre '08 Z, or the improved 08+?

Also heard about the clutch. There is a spring you can remove/replace which makes it a lot more involving. About 5 minutes of your time.

I would love the GS EXCEPT for the targa top. I am not into removable roofs. That is the only reason (besides the cheap-looking rims that look like GM got some chinese company to copy the 370Z's.) that I would not buy one.

My car was an '06. The '08+ cars got a better steering rack (tighter clearances, I think), but the steering feel is only a little better. It's a bit sharper, but the weighting isn't that different. The spring mod (I'm not familiar with it) would likely give it some heft, though I doubt it would improve the feel all that much, if that's what one's after. As a side note, the Z06 clutch fluid needs to be kept clean or the pedal may stick to the floor following aggressive launches.

m4a1mustang · 12-31-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rj45

My car was an '06. The '08+ cars got a better steering rack (tighter clearances, I think), but the steering feel is only a little better. It's a bit sharper, but the weighting isn't that different. The spring mod (I'm not familiar with it) would likely give it some heft, though I doubt it would improve the feel all that much, if that's what one's after. As a side note, the Z06 clutch fluid needs to be kept clean or the pedal may stick to the floor following aggressive launches.

That's pretty much the same for the Z with regards to the clutch.

ImportConvert · 12-31-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

SRA with a nice watts link is pretty artistic.

My G20 has one, and I agree, it does not step out, or do anything untoward. It's a good setup.

ImportConvert · 12-31-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rj45

My car was an '06. The '08+ cars got a better steering rack (tighter clearances, I think), but the steering feel is only a little better. It's a bit sharper, but the weighting isn't that different. The spring mod (I'm not familiar with it) would likely give it some heft, though I doubt it would improve the feel all that much, if that's what one's after. As a side note, the Z06 clutch fluid needs to be kept clean or the pedal may stick to the floor following aggressive launches.

Correct. Turkey-baster. My WS6 was "supposedly" the same, but I never changed the fluid and it did fine for 75K miles the first time, and I sold it at about 70K from then. Never had an issue. I know others who think the same, but I suppose clean fluid is nice.

ThoriumHotdog · 01-02-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

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wdkwang · 07-11-2014, 03:00 AM

So back to the original question, did anyone find the nm/degree for the 370 cause I couldn't find the data after googling it for a while.

wdkwang · 07-11-2014, 03:06 AM

Here's a list of cars I found though. Some are very surprising:

Alfa 159 - 31.400Nm/degree
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe 27,000 Nm/deg
Aston Martin DB9 Convertible 15,500 Nm/deg
Audi TT Coupe 19,000 Nm/deg
BMW E36 Touring 10,900 Nm/deg
BMW E36 Z3 5,600 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Sedan (w/o folding seats) 18,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Sedan (w/folding seats) 13,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Wagon (w/folding seats) 14,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Coupe (w/folding seats) 12,500 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Convertible 10,500 Nm/deg
Bugatti Veyron - 60,000 Nm/degree
Chrysler Crossfire 20,140 Nm/deg
Chrysler Durango 6,800 Nm/deg
Dodge Viper Coupe 7,600 Nm/deg
Ferrari 360 Spider 8,500 Nm/deg
Ford GT40 MkI 17,000 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang 2003 16,000 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang 2005 21,000 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang Convertible (2003) 4,800 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang Convertible (2005) 9,500 Nm/deg
Jaguar X-Type Sedan 22,000 Nm/deg
Jaguar X-Type Estate 16,319 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg - 28.100 Nm/degree
Lambo Murcielago 20,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Elan 7,900 Nm/deg
Lotus Elan GRP body 8,900 Nm/deg
Lotus Elise 10,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Elise 111s 11,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Esprit SE Turbo 5,850 Nm/deg
Maserati QP - 18.000 nm/degree
McLaren F1 13,500 Nm/deg
Mini (2003) 24,500 Nm/deg
Pagani Zonda C12 S 26,300 Nm/deg
Pagani Zonda F - 27,000 Nm/degree
Porsche 911 Turbo (2000) 13,500 Nm/deg
Porsche 959 12,900 Nm/deg
Rolls-royce Phantom - 40,000 Nm/degree
Volvo S60 20,000 Nm/deg
BMW E90: 22,500 Nm/deg
BMW M Coupe, 32,000Nm/degree
Audi A2: 11,900 Nm/deg
Audi A8: 25,000 Nm/deg
Audi TT: 10,000 Nm/deg (22Hz)
Golf V GTI: 25,000 Nm/deg
Chevrolet Cobalt: 28 Hz
Ferrari 360: 1,474 kgm/degree (bending: 1,032 kg/mm)
Ferrari 355: 1,024 kgm/degree (bending: 727 kg/mm)
Ferrari 430: supposedly 20% higher than 360
Renault Sport Spider: 10,000 Nm/degree
Volvo S80: 18,600 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg CC-8: 28,100 Nm/deg
Porsche 911 Turbo 996: 27,000 Nm/deg
Porsche 911 Turbo 996 Convertible: 11,600 Nm/deg
Porsche 911 Carrera Type 997: 33,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Elise S2 Exige (2004): 10,500 Nm/deg
Volkswagen Fox: 17,941 Nm/deg
VW Phaeton - 37,000 Nm/degree
BMW Z4: 14,500 Nm/deg
Ferrari F50: 34,600 Nm/deg
Lambo Gallardo: 23000 Nm/deg
Ford GT: 27,100 Nm/deg
Mazda Rx-8: 30,000 Nm/deg
Mazda Rx-7: ~15,000 Nm/deg
Lamborghini Aventador: 35,000 Nm/deg
Lamborghini Gallardo Super Trofeo Stradale: 35,000 Nm/deg
Lexus LF-A: 39,130 Nm/deg
Audi R8: 40,000 Nm/deg
Aston Martin Rapide: 28,000 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg Agera: 58,000 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg Agera R: 65,000 Nm/deg
Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport: 22,000 Nm/deg
Fisker Karma: 33,000 Nm/deg
Bentley Azure - 18000Nm/deg
Mercedes SL (R230) - 15800Nm/deg
Jaguar XK - 16000Nm/deg
E39 5 - 24000Nm/deg
E60 5 - 24000Nm/deg
F10 5 - 37500Nm/deg
W212 E - 29920Nm/deg
E70 X5 - 28000Nm/deg
E30 M3 - 23000Nm/deg
Chevrolet Corvette C5 9,100 Nm/deg
Lamborghini Countach 2,600 Nm/deg
Aston Martin Vanquish 28.500 Nm/deg
Ford Focus 3d 19.600 Nm/deg
Ford Focus 5d 17.900 Nm/deg
Saab 9-3 Sportcombi - 21,000 Nm/degree
Opel Astra - 12,000 Nm/degree
Bugatti EB110 - 19,000 Nm/degree
VW Passat (2006) - 32,400 Nm/degree
Land rover Freelander 2 - 28,000 Nm/degree
RR Phantom - 40,500 Nm/degree
BMW X5 (2004) - 23,100 Nm/degree

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wdkwang Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 899 Drives: slidewayz Rep Power: 20	So back to the original question, did anyone find the nm/degree for the 370 cause I couldn't find the data after googling it for a while. Limeybastard likes this. __________________ Powerhouse Amuse \| K&N Typhoon Intakes \| MotorDyne ART Pipes \| Borla Catback Exhaust \| B&M Short Shifter \| Intake Ducts \| Ichiba 25mm F/R Spacers \| Carbon Fiber Interior Vinyl Wrap \| Tints \| 10000k HIDs \| Vtak, yo!

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wdkwang Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 899 Drives: slidewayz Rep Power: 20	Here's a list of cars I found though. Some are very surprising: Alfa 159 - 31.400Nm/degree Aston Martin DB9 Coupe 27,000 Nm/deg Aston Martin DB9 Convertible 15,500 Nm/deg Audi TT Coupe 19,000 Nm/deg BMW E36 Touring 10,900 Nm/deg BMW E36 Z3 5,600 Nm/deg BMW E46 Sedan (w/o folding seats) 18,000 Nm/deg BMW E46 Sedan (w/folding seats) 13,000 Nm/deg BMW E46 Wagon (w/folding seats) 14,000 Nm/deg BMW E46 Coupe (w/folding seats) 12,500 Nm/deg BMW E46 Convertible 10,500 Nm/deg Bugatti Veyron - 60,000 Nm/degree Chrysler Crossfire 20,140 Nm/deg Chrysler Durango 6,800 Nm/deg Dodge Viper Coupe 7,600 Nm/deg Ferrari 360 Spider 8,500 Nm/deg Ford GT40 MkI 17,000 Nm/deg Ford Mustang 2003 16,000 Nm/deg Ford Mustang 2005 21,000 Nm/deg Ford Mustang Convertible (2003) 4,800 Nm/deg Ford Mustang Convertible (2005) 9,500 Nm/deg Jaguar X-Type Sedan 22,000 Nm/deg Jaguar X-Type Estate 16,319 Nm/deg Koenigsegg - 28.100 Nm/degree Lambo Murcielago 20,000 Nm/deg Lotus Elan 7,900 Nm/deg Lotus Elan GRP body 8,900 Nm/deg Lotus Elise 10,000 Nm/deg Lotus Elise 111s 11,000 Nm/deg Lotus Esprit SE Turbo 5,850 Nm/deg Maserati QP - 18.000 nm/degree McLaren F1 13,500 Nm/deg Mini (2003) 24,500 Nm/deg Pagani Zonda C12 S 26,300 Nm/deg Pagani Zonda F - 27,000 Nm/degree Porsche 911 Turbo (2000) 13,500 Nm/deg Porsche 959 12,900 Nm/deg Rolls-royce Phantom - 40,000 Nm/degree Volvo S60 20,000 Nm/deg BMW E90: 22,500 Nm/deg BMW M Coupe, 32,000Nm/degree Audi A2: 11,900 Nm/deg Audi A8: 25,000 Nm/deg Audi TT: 10,000 Nm/deg (22Hz) Golf V GTI: 25,000 Nm/deg Chevrolet Cobalt: 28 Hz Ferrari 360: 1,474 kgm/degree (bending: 1,032 kg/mm) Ferrari 355: 1,024 kgm/degree (bending: 727 kg/mm) Ferrari 430: supposedly 20% higher than 360 Renault Sport Spider: 10,000 Nm/degree Volvo S80: 18,600 Nm/deg Koenigsegg CC-8: 28,100 Nm/deg Porsche 911 Turbo 996: 27,000 Nm/deg Porsche 911 Turbo 996 Convertible: 11,600 Nm/deg Porsche 911 Carrera Type 997: 33,000 Nm/deg Lotus Elise S2 Exige (2004): 10,500 Nm/deg Volkswagen Fox: 17,941 Nm/deg VW Phaeton - 37,000 Nm/degree BMW Z4: 14,500 Nm/deg Ferrari F50: 34,600 Nm/deg Lambo Gallardo: 23000 Nm/deg Ford GT: 27,100 Nm/deg Mazda Rx-8: 30,000 Nm/deg Mazda Rx-7: ~15,000 Nm/deg Lamborghini Aventador: 35,000 Nm/deg Lamborghini Gallardo Super Trofeo Stradale: 35,000 Nm/deg Lexus LF-A: 39,130 Nm/deg Audi R8: 40,000 Nm/deg Aston Martin Rapide: 28,000 Nm/deg Koenigsegg Agera: 58,000 Nm/deg Koenigsegg Agera R: 65,000 Nm/deg Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport: 22,000 Nm/deg Fisker Karma: 33,000 Nm/deg Bentley Azure - 18000Nm/deg Mercedes SL (R230) - 15800Nm/deg Jaguar XK - 16000Nm/deg E39 5 - 24000Nm/deg E60 5 - 24000Nm/deg F10 5 - 37500Nm/deg W212 E - 29920Nm/deg E70 X5 - 28000Nm/deg E30 M3 - 23000Nm/deg Chevrolet Corvette C5 9,100 Nm/deg Lamborghini Countach 2,600 Nm/deg Aston Martin Vanquish 28.500 Nm/deg Ford Focus 3d 19.600 Nm/deg Ford Focus 5d 17.900 Nm/deg Saab 9-3 Sportcombi - 21,000 Nm/degree Opel Astra - 12,000 Nm/degree Bugatti EB110 - 19,000 Nm/degree VW Passat (2006) - 32,400 Nm/degree Land rover Freelander 2 - 28,000 Nm/degree RR Phantom - 40,500 Nm/degree BMW X5 (2004) - 23,100 Nm/degree viiv likes this. __________________ Powerhouse Amuse \| K&N Typhoon Intakes \| MotorDyne ART Pipes \| Borla Catback Exhaust \| B&M Short Shifter \| Intake Ducts \| Ichiba 25mm F/R Spacers \| Carbon Fiber Interior Vinyl Wrap \| Tints \| 10000k HIDs \| Vtak, yo!

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