WHo has 300whp and what do you have

red6spd · 03-29-2011, 01:28 PM

Me, Chuck, EsFourteen, BlackNismo, all made simialr numbers on the Mustang Dyno at performance motorsports when we all had simialar mods. Alot of people say there dyno reads high, but when they bring there car to other shops with different dyno's they always run very similar numbers.

tomnavone · 03-29-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Me, Chuck, EsFourteen, BlackNismo, all made simialr numbers on the Mustang Dyno at performance motorsports when we all had simialar mods. Alot of people say there dyno reads high, but when they bring there car to other shops with different dyno's they always run very similar numbers.

What was your baseline?

christian370z · 03-29-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Me, Chuck, EsFourteen, BlackNismo, all made simialr numbers on the Mustang Dyno at performance motorsports when we all had simialar mods. Alot of people say there dyno reads high, but when they bring there car to other shops with different dyno's they always run very similar numbers.

What type of alternate dyno's did they run on? That definitely seems quite high for a real mustang dyno, especially when the highest N/A dyno runs are only around 340rwhp on dynojets.

red6spd · 03-29-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z

What type of alternate dyno's did they run on? That definitely seems quite high for a real mustang dyno, especially when the highest N/A dyno runs are only around 340rwhp on dynojets.

One was a dyno dynamics. And what ever Vinny Ten Racing has, I forget. As for the guys asking about a baseline... I dont have one. Sorry.

TROOPER · 03-29-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Me, Chuck, EsFourteen, BlackNismo, all made simialr numbers on the Mustang Dyno at performance motorsports when we all had simialar mods. Alot of people say there dyno reads high, but when they bring there car to other shops with different dyno's they always run very similar numbers.

Very broad statement LOL

What do you call "similar numbers" and "similar mods"..??

I'd be surprised with similar mods that you're dyno'ing the same as a Nismo.!

GZ3 · 03-29-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER

Very broad statement LOL

What do you call "similar numbers" and "similar mods"..??

I'd be surprised with similar mods that you're dyno'ing the same as a Nismo.!

Why not? The only advantage you hold with your "Nismo" at this point is a suspect adjust to the factory to VVEL. Which is just that, a suspicion. No proof, the only reason a nismo makes more power "Stock" than a regular 370 is because it has a freer flowing exhaust and a mild tune. But its still called "stock" lol...

Jordo! · 03-29-2011, 11:27 PM

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Why not? The only advantage you hold with your "Nismo" at this point is a suspect adjust to the factory to VVEL. Which is just that, a suspicion. No proof, the only reason a nismo makes more power "Stock" than a regular 370 is because it has a freer flowing exhaust and a mild tune. But its still called "stock" lol...

I just took a good look at a bone stock Nismo dyno -- they DEFINITELY have more than just CBE and fuel/spark -- it must have different VVEL tune as well.

Regular Z's need a tune, CBE, and TP's to catch up to the bone stock Nismos.

That difference has gotta be all due the VVEL.

Dammit. C'mon GTM -- bring out that VVEL controller already!

Oh and whoever thinks they're putting down 330-340 NA... yeah... that's an awfully optimistic dyno.

Maybe at the crank

birdmanx1 · 03-30-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I just took a good look at a bone stock Nismo dyno -- they DEFINITELY have more than just CBE and fuel/spark -- it must have different VVEL tune as well.

Regular Z's need a tune, CBE, and TP's to catch up to the bone stock Nismos.

Glad to hear that Jordo, saving this argument for the future Nismo bashing threads

red6spd · 03-29-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER

Very broad statement LOL

What do you call "similar numbers" and "similar mods"..??

I'd be surprised with similar mods that you're dyno'ing the same as a Nismo.!

Similar mods as in Black Nismo had an Injen Intake and I had Stillen. From what I heard from my tuner the Nismo is just a different engine tune and of course exhaust. But once you download UpRev they all kind of become the same. And similar numbers are like, I made 339whp and chuck made 342whp. Esfourteen I believe mad the same or 1-2hp less. We all had CAI CBE some kind of TP/HFC and a Tune.

esfourteen · 03-29-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Similar mods as in Black Nismo had an Injen Intake and I had Stillen. From what I heard from my tuner the Nismo is just a different engine tune and of course exhaust. But once you download UpRev they all kind of become the same. And similar numbers are like, I made 339whp and chuck made 342whp. Esfourteen I believe mad the same or 1-2hp less. We all had CAI CBE some kind of TP/HFC and a Tune.

Look, I love the guys at performance, but the dyno reads high, I don't know if they do it on purpose or not. You need to stop stressing that your numbers were made on a mustang dyno because the majority of mustang dynos read LOWER than dynojets and you will just confuse people who are unfamiliar. Our cars made 340whp, but so would every Z on this board with the similar modifications. Theres no magic fuel/unicorn blood additives on Long Island.

These threads are basically useless because this is not the only dyno that will read abnormal, high or low. All that matters is delta, with basic bolt ons (intake, exhaust, hfc or test pipes) plus a tune, you can expect ~40hp increase over whatever your car made baseline. I would go so far as to say adding in a lightened flywheel and underdrive pulley you could get close to +50whp over YOUR baseline. /endthread

red6spd · 03-29-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

Look, I love the guys at performance, but the dyno reads high, I don't know if they do it on purpose or not. You need to stop stressing that your numbers were made on a mustang dyno because the majority of mustang dynos read LOWER than dynojets and you will just confuse people who are unfamiliar. Our cars made 340whp, but so would every Z on this board with the similar modifications. Theres no magic fuel/unicorn blood additives on Long Island.

These threads are basically useless because this is not the only dyno that will read abnormal, high or low. All that matters is delta, with basic bolt ons (intake, exhaust, hfc or test pipes) plus a tune, you can expect ~40hp increase over whatever your car made baseline. I would go so far as to say adding in a lightened flywheel and underdrive pulley you could get close to +50whp over YOUR baseline. /endthread

Well look at Black Nismo. After his TT install he dynoed close to 490 wheel. I saw on another thread that he took the car to VTR and dynoed like 496. What dyno does VTR use? Cause it pretty much matched the one at Performance.

Jordo! · 03-29-2011, 02:05 PM

Answers to this question are not going to give a clear picture unless the responses are isolated to one type of dynamometer using one specific correction factor (preferably SAE as STD tends to overcompensate on NA cars) and the vehicles are all dynoed in the same gear.

For example, some MT's dyno in 4th and others in 5th -- that affects the final numbers, at least on a dynojet. the AT will almost always be dynoed in 4th.

Also, many people like to report STD numbers, because they tend to be higher.

Finally, peak numbers can be misleading -- the Z has a tendency to show a spike in power as you approach fuel cut.

Even then, with everything done exactly the same way, expect some variance...

Numbers will be all over the place on load bearing dynos -- some Mustang dynamometers break hearts, others dont.

As far as peak power goes, Z's with some sort of intake, CBE, TP/HFC's, and tune will generally see between 300 and 310 on a dynojet. A bit more with LTH and pulleys. No clear difference between AT and MT.

serturbo · 03-29-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Answers to this question are not going to give a clear picture unless the responses are isolated to one type of dynamometer using one specific correction factor (preferably SAE as STD tends to overcompensate on NA cars) and the vehicles are all dynoed in the same gear.

For example, some MT's dyno in 4th and others in 5th -- that affects the final numbers, at least on a dynojet. the AT will almost always be dynoed in 4th.

Also, many people like to report STD numbers, because they tend to be higher.

Finally, peak numbers can be misleading -- the Z has a tendency to show a spike in power as you approach fuel cut.

Even then, with everything done exactly the same way, expect some variance...

Numbers will be all over the place on load bearing dynos -- some Mustang dynamometers break hearts, others dont.

As far as peak power goes, Z's with some sort of intake, CBE, TP/HFC's, and tune will generally see between 300 and 310 on a dynojet. A bit more with LTH and pulleys. No clear difference between AT and MT.

Very true. This is why a lot of the higher hp guys (Supras, Vettes, Porsches, etc) like to compare 60-130 mph numbers. It eliminates some of the traction issues you could get when doing 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile or 0-60 mph testing. I say some traction issues because there's not much you can do if your car puts down upwards of 1000 whp.

NewlyIMPORTed · 03-29-2011, 02:18 PM

got 299 before the tune on Dyno-jet.. got the tune done on a dynodynamics and made another 20whp.

SPOHN · 03-29-2011, 08:06 PM

Forget dyno talk and numbers. Dyno's are different. Numbers will be different. All seem to be within a certain range anyways. None of these numbers are going to matter on the street. The driver makes the car.

03-29-2011, 01:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 23	Me, Chuck, EsFourteen, BlackNismo, all made simialr numbers on the Mustang Dyno at performance motorsports when we all had simialar mods. Alot of people say there dyno reads high, but when they bring there car to other shops with different dyno's they always run very similar numbers. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

03-29-2011, 02:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	Answers to this question are not going to give a clear picture unless the responses are isolated to one type of dynamometer using one specific correction factor (preferably SAE as STD tends to overcompensate on NA cars) and the vehicles are all dynoed in the same gear. For example, some MT's dyno in 4th and others in 5th -- that affects the final numbers, at least on a dynojet. the AT will almost always be dynoed in 4th. Also, many people like to report STD numbers, because they tend to be higher. Finally, peak numbers can be misleading -- the Z has a tendency to show a spike in power as you approach fuel cut. Even then, with everything done exactly the same way, expect some variance... Numbers will be all over the place on load bearing dynos -- some Mustang dynamometers break hearts, others dont. As far as peak power goes, Z's with some sort of intake, CBE, TP/HFC's, and tune will generally see between 300 and 310 on a dynojet. A bit more with LTH and pulleys. No clear difference between AT and MT. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

03-29-2011, 02:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
NewlyIMPORTed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 1,109 Drives: 11 STI Sedan Rep Power: 20	got 299 before the tune on Dyno-jet.. got the tune done on a dynodynamics and made another 20whp. __________________ 2011 WRX STICobb Accessport, Nameless Performance exhaust, COBB SF Intake, COBB downpipe, 20% tint, Work Emotion XD9's

03-29-2011, 08:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 47 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 223	Forget dyno talk and numbers. Dyno's are different. Numbers will be different. All seem to be within a certain range anyways. None of these numbers are going to matter on the street. The driver makes the car. __________________