WHo has 300whp and what do you have

esfourteen · 03-29-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Similar mods as in Black Nismo had an Injen Intake and I had Stillen. From what I heard from my tuner the Nismo is just a different engine tune and of course exhaust. But once you download UpRev they all kind of become the same. And similar numbers are like, I made 339whp and chuck made 342whp. Esfourteen I believe mad the same or 1-2hp less. We all had CAI CBE some kind of TP/HFC and a Tune.

Look, I love the guys at performance, but the dyno reads high, I don't know if they do it on purpose or not. You need to stop stressing that your numbers were made on a mustang dyno because the majority of mustang dynos read LOWER than dynojets and you will just confuse people who are unfamiliar. Our cars made 340whp, but so would every Z on this board with the similar modifications. Theres no magic fuel/unicorn blood additives on Long Island.

These threads are basically useless because this is not the only dyno that will read abnormal, high or low. All that matters is delta, with basic bolt ons (intake, exhaust, hfc or test pipes) plus a tune, you can expect ~40hp increase over whatever your car made baseline. I would go so far as to say adding in a lightened flywheel and underdrive pulley you could get close to +50whp over YOUR baseline. /endthread

red6spd · 03-29-2011, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

Look, I love the guys at performance, but the dyno reads high, I don't know if they do it on purpose or not. You need to stop stressing that your numbers were made on a mustang dyno because the majority of mustang dynos read LOWER than dynojets and you will just confuse people who are unfamiliar. Our cars made 340whp, but so would every Z on this board with the similar modifications. Theres no magic fuel/unicorn blood additives on Long Island.

These threads are basically useless because this is not the only dyno that will read abnormal, high or low. All that matters is delta, with basic bolt ons (intake, exhaust, hfc or test pipes) plus a tune, you can expect ~40hp increase over whatever your car made baseline. I would go so far as to say adding in a lightened flywheel and underdrive pulley you could get close to +50whp over YOUR baseline. /endthread

Well look at Black Nismo. After his TT install he dynoed close to 490 wheel. I saw on another thread that he took the car to VTR and dynoed like 496. What dyno does VTR use? Cause it pretty much matched the one at Performance.

SPOHN · 03-29-2011, 08:06 PM

Forget dyno talk and numbers. Dyno's are different. Numbers will be different. All seem to be within a certain range anyways. None of these numbers are going to matter on the street. The driver makes the car.

jnaut · 03-29-2011, 08:08 PM

If you want a real comparison, then runs it down a drag strip and look at your trap speed, who ever is highest is making the most power. most stock z 's are around 103 to 105 mph, im @ 114.5

Horsepower Calculator from 1/4 mile ET and Trap Speed - DragTimes.com

esfourteen · 03-29-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Well look at Black Nismo. After his TT install he dynoed close to 490 wheel. I saw on another thread that he took the car to VTR and dynoed like 496. What dyno does VTR use? Cause it pretty much matched the one at Performance.

VTR uses a dynojet, a dynojet and a mustang with the same results should tell you something. Mustang dynos typically read lower than dynojets, this one doesn't. You can either accept that the dyno reads high or keep trying to explain to everyone else how you made so much power, up to you.

serturbo · 03-29-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Answers to this question are not going to give a clear picture unless the responses are isolated to one type of dynamometer using one specific correction factor (preferably SAE as STD tends to overcompensate on NA cars) and the vehicles are all dynoed in the same gear.

For example, some MT's dyno in 4th and others in 5th -- that affects the final numbers, at least on a dynojet. the AT will almost always be dynoed in 4th.

Also, many people like to report STD numbers, because they tend to be higher.

Finally, peak numbers can be misleading -- the Z has a tendency to show a spike in power as you approach fuel cut.

Even then, with everything done exactly the same way, expect some variance...

Numbers will be all over the place on load bearing dynos -- some Mustang dynamometers break hearts, others dont.

As far as peak power goes, Z's with some sort of intake, CBE, TP/HFC's, and tune will generally see between 300 and 310 on a dynojet. A bit more with LTH and pulleys. No clear difference between AT and MT.

Very true. This is why a lot of the higher hp guys (Supras, Vettes, Porsches, etc) like to compare 60-130 mph numbers. It eliminates some of the traction issues you could get when doing 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile or 0-60 mph testing. I say some traction issues because there's not much you can do if your car puts down upwards of 1000 whp.

tranceformer · 03-29-2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN

Forget dyno talk and numbers. Dyno's are different. Numbers will be different. All seem to be within a certain range anyways. None of these numbers are going to matter on the street. The driver makes the car.

+1

A dyno is more of a tool for tuning, imo.

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Originally Posted by jnaut

If you want a real comparison, then runs it down a drag strip and look at your trap speed, who ever is highest is making the most power. most stock z 's are around 103 to 105 mph, im @ 114.5

Horsepower Calculator from 1/4 mile ET and Trap Speed - DragTimes.com

Show-off!!!!!

jnaut · 03-29-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tranceformer

+1

A dyno is more of a tool for tuning, imo.

^^absolutely!!

Show-off!!!!!

hahaha

jnaut · 03-29-2011, 08:59 PM

Im actually going to get re-tuned on thursday ill post my dyno

TonyBPD · 03-29-2011, 09:40 PM

My old 2004 Ford Lighting put down 486/510 on a Dynojet. 11.88 @ 114.49. That was one hell of a ride......in a straight line at least.

jnaut · 03-29-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyBPD

My old 2004 Ford Lighting put down 486/510 on a Dynojet. 11.88 @ 114.49. That was one hell of a ride......in a straight line at least.

that is all 60ft there, probably high 1.5 or low 1.6

but nice run!

Jordo! · 03-29-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

Why not? The only advantage you hold with your "Nismo" at this point is a suspect adjust to the factory to VVEL. Which is just that, a suspicion. No proof, the only reason a nismo makes more power "Stock" than a regular 370 is because it has a freer flowing exhaust and a mild tune. But its still called "stock" lol...

I just took a good look at a bone stock Nismo dyno -- they DEFINITELY have more than just CBE and fuel/spark -- it must have different VVEL tune as well.

Regular Z's need a tune, CBE, and TP's to catch up to the bone stock Nismos.

That difference has gotta be all due the VVEL.

Dammit. C'mon GTM -- bring out that VVEL controller already!

Oh and whoever thinks they're putting down 330-340 NA... yeah... that's an awfully optimistic dyno.

Maybe at the crank

BLM · 03-30-2011, 05:03 AM

We need an insider from Nissan to leak the VVEL info to GTM. Can't wait until that is available!

I'm somewhat surprised there's not a Euro "Nismo R" model that has some sort of forced induction from the factory. Maybe in the future? It would be able to obliterate the Cayman S and run with the M3 and still cost less...

birdmanx1 · 03-30-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

I just took a good look at a bone stock Nismo dyno -- they DEFINITELY have more than just CBE and fuel/spark -- it must have different VVEL tune as well.

Regular Z's need a tune, CBE, and TP's to catch up to the bone stock Nismos.

Glad to hear that Jordo, saving this argument for the future Nismo bashing threads

Z eliminator · 03-30-2011, 07:11 AM

112.7 best trap. !st runner up to Jnaut. Quickist 7 AT all motor and getting faster.
J naut who tunes your car.

03-29-2011, 08:06 PM	#63 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Forget dyno talk and numbers. Dyno's are different. Numbers will be different. All seem to be within a certain range anyways. None of these numbers are going to matter on the street. The driver makes the car. __________________

03-29-2011, 08:08 PM	#64 (permalink)
jnaut A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: wpb, fl Posts: 1,146 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 17	If you want a real comparison, then runs it down a drag strip and look at your trap speed, who ever is highest is making the most power. most stock z 's are around 103 to 105 mph, im @ 114.5 Horsepower Calculator from 1/4 mile ET and Trap Speed - DragTimes.com __________________ Best 1/4 mile 12.24 Best mph 114.5_______

03-29-2011, 08:59 PM	#69 (permalink)
jnaut A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: wpb, fl Posts: 1,146 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 17	Im actually going to get re-tuned on thursday ill post my dyno __________________ Best 1/4 mile 12.24 Best mph 114.5_______

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BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	We need an insider from Nissan to leak the VVEL info to GTM. Can't wait until that is available! I'm somewhat surprised there's not a Euro "Nismo R" model that has some sort of forced induction from the factory. Maybe in the future? It would be able to obliterate the Cayman S and run with the M3 and still cost less... __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK Last edited by BLM; 03-30-2011 at 05:10 AM.

03-30-2011, 07:11 AM	#75 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 18	112.7 best trap. !st runner up to Jnaut. Quickist 7 AT all motor and getting faster. J naut who tunes your car. __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015.

03-29-2011, 09:40 PM	#70 (permalink)
TonyBPD Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Jersey Posts: 614 Drives: 2012 VW Golf R Rep Power: 16	My old 2004 Ford Lighting put down 486/510 on a Dynojet. 11.88 @ 114.49. That was one hell of a ride......in a straight line at least.