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Old 07-26-2017, 09:12 PM   #46 (permalink)
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O wow. I would address monceif himself about this
I will try reaching out to him...

On the meantime, for any other member here who have these intakes, can you verify yours look the same or similar inside?
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Dude, that's just not possible. Facebook says this guy makes great parts and is the bestest tuner for my mad tyte cambered out jalopy.
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I would send those intakes back, as for a refund or get him to fix it. Be civil as possible and if he turns out to be a d bag blast him. Call your CC company and file a dispute.
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Hey everyone,

My name is Moncef and I am the owner of AdminTuning. I designed the intakes and have them built in Houston TX.

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Everything i've heard about the Admin tuning intakes is that they require a MAF scaling tune at minimum, perform the best with the EPS throttle bodies...which at this point you are now looking at $1800 for some CAI's and +22 whp gains? Maybe 40whp with the throttle bodies?
It also bothers me that Moncef, the owner of Admin Tuning will not post apples to apples dyno sheets of lets say a Stillen Gen 3 with a tune next to Admin Tuning with MAF scaling. Why? Because the results are going to be close and you'll be spending $1200 for what you could get for ~$900 (assuming you purchase used Gen 3 intakes).

The cost just doesn't seem worth it to me and pretty much defeats the purpose of a CAI, which is a low cost bolt on mod that gets you a little pick up.

Also, i'd like to point out that K&N drop ins or short ram intakes with a tune may get you within 90% of a CAI on the dyno...but try that in the real world with some heat and watch that 90% drop fast due to heat soak.
Thank you for your feedback here. As far as apples to apples dynos against the Stillen G3 intakes, I do not have one. However, I have had customers who go back to the same shop after switching intakes and nothing else who have picked up anywhere from 10-12whp over OTHER aftermarket intakes such as the Z1Motorsports intakes as well as Injen intakes (which we originally tested against on the older 35HR engines).

The ONLY test that I have vs G3s was tuned vs tuned, but the client added throttle bodies in between.

I will disagree with you on your comment on the throttle bodies, since these intakes have made 22whp over stock airboxes on a bone stock car with stock throttle bodies and only MAF scaling. This means stock ignition timing, stock VVEL, stock cam tables, etc. The Base Fuel Schedule in UpRev did not change enough to create an indirect positive shift in ignition timing either. In my experience on tuning these cars (and 8 years of tuning VQ based engines) I have found that most of the horsepower gain with tuning only is attributed to tuning the ignition timing and tuning the cams. You will not gain 22whp or even half that off of AF tuning alone, that is why I think this is a valid test.

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I don't have anything against him personally but I certainly don't like false advertising. He and his fanbois claim they make more power than any other solution out there, but the catch is you have to pay for a tune and or buy throttle bodies to take advantage of a 3" intake charge pipe. Congratulations, you get to spend $1800 on something that should have been no more than $600 for a new CAI. For that kind of money I would much rather get a new set of Stillen G3's, an oil cooler and upgrade my brake pads. Outside of the 370z world even $600 is a lot of money for something like a CAI.

He's also pushing people to tune their cars after just doing the CAI which i think most people on this forum know is pretty stupid...unless of course you got money burn. Even if it is just MAF scaling, you're paying the same amount you would for an actual tune!!!

He may be a nice guy, he may have a decent product and know how to tune...but he is pretty bad about being honest with the community about what it means when you buy a set of Admin Tuning intakes.
Once again, throttle bodies are not necessary. They are nice but not necessary.

I have never told anyone to tune their cars with a CAI only. Yes my intakes require a tune but I have always marketed it to people with exhaust upgrades first. I have suggested a lot of potential customers to buy test pipes and cat-backs before touching my intake and then tune all at once. The exhaust is a more primary restriction on these cars (370/G37) than anything else. If the customer wants a tune on a stock cat back with my parts on it after being disclosed that information, I am happy to do so.

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No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.
The cost of production and testing and the final results are contributing factors to the final price. I don't make claims with only BS or fake news behind them. I first tested the 3" CAI idea on the 350Z HR with nothing but positive results (8-11whp on TOP of a tuned car with Injen intakes originally, from ~5000 RPM to redline - bear in mind the Injen intakes are already 3" up to the MAF sensor housing where they reduce down to 2.5). and then fabbed a kit for the VHR cars. Afterwards, there was a lot of chatter about testing them on a bone stock car so that is what we did.

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As a current Admin Tuning Intake owner, I don't recommend you spend the $$ on them... i am not much of a fan since the piping is not smooth in the inside and can affect air flow... the pictures below show the obstructions in the pipe from manufacture/welding in the direction of air flow.





Luis, you had purchased these through EPS, if you have an issue with the product, please reach out to me directly. My # is 319.899.9763.
Thanks everyone for the feedback,

You can PM me here or email me at moncef.faik@gmail.com or contact me at the number above.
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I have Synolimit’s setup with AAM’s intake on my car and I got gains with a tune. The key is matching the diameters so there is consistency in the airflow throughout the intake tract to keep the flow smooth. I looked at the EPS TBs and 70mm looked great but the manifold can’t go to 70mm and EPS uses an adapter to neck down to 58mm for the manifold. So where is the benefit? Synolimit’s setup is consistently 63mm (2.5 inches) which is as large as one can go. A 3-inch intake will not supply any more air than a 2.75 inch because it’s not being asked too (in a NA engine). The total vacuum demand starts in the manifold and whatever volume it can demand is all you need until you start forcing air.
The EPS adapter is set at 63mm on the back side to match the stock manifolds, not 58mm. We designed it to perfectly bolt up to a stock manifold. We do a mild port match on ported intake manifolds like the Z1 and others. We also offer a full bore 70mm plate for the aam intake manifold and other aftermarket aluminum manifolds that can easily be ported out to that dimension. in developmental dyno testing we saw more power with a 3" intake and a 3.5" intake (same length, iat, oil temp, coolant temp and everything) on every single test, than we did with anything smaller. one does not reason how airflow works, they merely test it. the tests show that the larger intake tubes made power on all throttle body configurations. Our 70mm tbs coupled with a 3" intake is the sweet spot for most people, and thats why there have been numerous dyno tests that showed this, since i did mine. I dont recommend going as large as 3.5" on the old style uprev vvel maps, as there are some response issues that most tuners wont be able to sort out, but I have yet to retest with the new ones.
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Hi,

I'm Moncef, I designed this intake system. I also tune these cars and other platforms.

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I'm really SHOCKED given how everyone on this forum says: "the stock airbox is engineered to flow very efficiently"

Which makes me wonder:

A) The stock airbox is bs and so are the above claims

B) The Tune is really where the power is made, which could be accomplished on both the stock airbox with some dropin k/n's, and if so, then whynot just skip the intake and just get a tune entirely, especially if you can get 85% of the same result and keep the stock airbox???

C) An aftermarket intake actually is NEEDED with a tune in order to see real gains.

Someone please educate me on this, as last time I looked under the hood, it's not an 8.0 ltr Viper motor sitting there.
The tune is only going to make power when there is enough airflow to support it. VHRs with short ram intakes that I have dyno tuned have gained less power than the same engines with CAIs, not just mine.

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The problem with a 3" intake is the bottleneck at the throttle body. I'm sure these would show gains if you hog out the entire intake tract and then tune for it. Otherwise I can't see them doing much beyond a standard diameter CAI.
The 3" intakes make power with stock throttle bodies, I tested my intakes on a bone stock G37 and made 22whp from just the intake swap and rescaling the MAF. I left the ignition timing, VVEL, and cam tables stock. There was no indirect change in ignition timing due to the shift in base fuel schedule either.

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A tune can only do so much. If there is a mismatched set of parts. It can help, but it still won't be 100%.
This.

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Someone on the FB pages is giving me his new 3" setup and i sold my stillin gen 3's. Guess it cant get any worse. I say that though but 3 times ive dyno'd changing things and ive lost power! Like a lot! Think my best was 312 SAE in 4th with my setup, 2.75's, LTH and dual cbe. Then i tried e85 and made like 298 SAE in 5th!!! So almost stock power in 4th. Now with the side exit cbe and stillen gen 3's i made 310 SAE 5th. So maybe i could use a bigger intake. Who knows. Im currently porting the heads, openening the SH*T out of lower manifold and then going to try the 3" intakes. Hope it works out.
Let me know how it goes and if you need help shoot me an email. moncef.faik@gmail.com.

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Everything i've heard about the Admin tuning intakes is that they require a MAF scaling tune at minimum, perform the best with the EPS throttle bodies...which at this point you are now looking at $1800 for some CAI's and +22 whp gains? Maybe 40whp with the throttle bodies?
It also bothers me that Moncef, the owner of Admin Tuning will not post apples to apples dyno sheets of lets say a Stillen Gen 3 with a tune next to Admin Tuning with MAF scaling. Why? Because the results are going to be close and you'll be spending $1200 for what you could get for ~$900 (assuming you purchase used Gen 3 intakes).

The cost just doesn't seem worth it to me and pretty much defeats the purpose of a CAI, which is a low cost bolt on mod that gets you a little pick up.

Also, i'd like to point out that K&N drop ins or short ram intakes with a tune may get you within 90% of a CAI on the dyno...but try that in the real world with some heat and watch that 90% drop fast due to heat soak.
I have proven that my intakes make power on the stock throttle bodies and on a bone stock car with stock everything else.

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I don't have anything against him personally but I certainly don't like false advertising. He and his fanbois claim they make more power than any other solution out there, but the catch is you have to pay for a tune and or buy throttle bodies to take advantage of a 3" intake charge pipe. Congratulations, you get to spend $1800 on something that should have been no more than $600 for a new CAI. For that kind of money I would much rather get a new set of Stillen G3's, an oil cooler and upgrade my brake pads. Outside of the 370z world even $600 is a lot of money for something like a CAI.

He's also pushing people to tune their cars after just doing the CAI which i think most people on this forum know is pretty stupid...unless of course you got money burn. Even if it is just MAF scaling, you're paying the same amount you would for an actual tune!!!

He may be a nice guy, he may have a decent product and know how to tune...but he is pretty bad about being honest with the community about what it means when you buy a set of Admin Tuning intakes.
This is incorrect, I do not "push" clients to get their stock cars tuned, my intakes hold their position in the marketplace as a final upgrade for people who are wrapping up their bolt-on "builds". I always tell potential customers that it is in their best interest to have at least test pipes and a good exhaust behind their intakes. If they want the intakes and tune beforehand after I disclose this to them, then I'll proceed.

EPS throttle bodies are great to have and yes I sell them. But like I mentioned before, my intakes make power with stock throttle bodies (and stock everything else).

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No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.
Whether or not they are worth it is subjective, but the cost is a function of the investment in design, testing, production and support. There is no BS that is being spread as I already have proven these intakes make power over the stock ones, and my customers have made power over Injen intakes (~11whp) and Z1Motorsports intakes (~11whp) with mine on both 07-08 350Z HR engines and 09+ 370Z/G37 VHR engines.



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not at all.

I will try reaching out to him...

On the meantime, for any other member here who have these intakes, can you verify yours look the same or similar inside?
Your replacements are almost ready.

Mods - sorry if this is a double post. My original post appears to have been deleted/lost.

If anyone has any questions let me know. I'm not here to push my stuff but I wanted to clear some of this information up for you all.
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You have a couple of dyno charts to post up? Civil question.
I would like to see what the power looks like. If it's fattening up the middle also, or is it mostly top end.
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You have a couple of dyno charts to post up? Civil question.
It's usually 5,500 RPM and up, but when we tested intakes and throttle bodies together we saw a good midrange gain as well. Throttle bodies typically broaden the peak area and we have seen this on old DEs as well.

I have a couple of dyno sheets here: AdminTuning Infiniti G37 Nissan 370Z VQ37VHR 3" Long Tube Intake System

The one on the Dynojet was the stock car. There is a video about it as well if you scroll down.

The dyno sheet that has a black background was Stillen G3s with stock TBs, vs AdminTuning intakes + EPS TBs. Both runs were tuned. You can see the midrange gain there and nearly 20whp gain at 6000 RPM.
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I would like to see what the power looks like. If it's fattening up the middle also, or is it mostly top end.
I'd love to post them but I don't think this website allows external links, (I have already attempted posting links in this thread) I have them on my site. The gains from an intake swap only, or intake swap + MAF corrections will always show where the stock parts become a restriction. Other parts of the tune will increase power in other areas in many cases.

So yes it is mostly top end, ~5,000 to redline. Still a relevant part of your powerband though.

I had a customer test out Stillen G3 intakes + stock TBs + tune vs my intakes + EPS TBs + tune and he gained a lot under the curve, starting around 4,000 RPM, 20whp at 6,000 RPM, gained 12whp at peak (power jumped from 325whp to 337whp), and 16-18whp from peak to redline. I won't speculate on what part attributed to the bulk of the gains but it was a substantial gain over an already powerful combination.
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I have proven that my intakes make power on the stock throttle bodies and on a bone stock car with stock everything else.
This seems to be the go to response from you and your fanbase whenever someone starts asking questions about why they should go with Admin Tuning. Honestly I'm not sure why this is even a point of discussion, no one is disputing that your setup makes power and no one here is trying to discredit that. The only thing that should be highlighted to potential buyers of this system is that there are additional costs of ownership not needed in other CAI systems...such as the MAF scaling (which if I understand correctly is an ECU tune but limited only to the MAF values).

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This is incorrect, I do not "push" clients to get their stock cars tuned, my intakes hold their position in the marketplace as a final upgrade for people who are wrapping up their bolt-on "builds". I always tell potential customers that it is in their best interest to have at least test pipes and a good exhaust behind their intakes. If they want the intakes and tune beforehand after I disclose this to them, then I'll proceed.
I think this needs to be clearer because I've seen responses from you on the Facebook pages where you say that MAF scaling is required, from a purely cost based perspective...this is the same as paying for a full blown tune, correct?

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Whether or not they are worth it is subjective, but the cost is a function of the investment in design, testing, production and support. There is no BS that is being spread as I already have proven these intakes make power over the stock ones, and my customers have made power over Injen intakes (~11whp) and Z1Motorsports intakes (~11whp) with mine on both 07-08 350Z HR engines and 09+ 370Z/G37 VHR engines.
I disagree. Actually i think it's quite the contrary, it's purely objective. If you do the math and consider what it costs to purchase, MAF scale or tune and add on throttle bodies vs what it costs to purchase any of your competitors CAI systems and then compare the power gained, you will have a cost benefit/analysis that is going to point them in the other direction.

I've said it before, if your intakes came in at basically the same price or lower than your best competitor and did not require the MAF scaling. I'd probably buy Admin instead of whatever I have now.

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I'd love to post them but I don't think this website allows external links, (I have already attempted posting links in this thread) I have them on my site. The gains from an intake swap only, or intake swap + MAF corrections will always show where the stock parts become a restriction. Other parts of the tune will increase power in other areas in many cases.
Not sure what's going on but you should have no problems linking to anything external to this site... for example I can link to your youtube video from your website

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhcYtV-dvjU
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This seems to be the go to response from you and your fanbase whenever someone starts asking questions about why they should go with Admin Tuning. Honestly I'm not sure why this is even a point of discussion, no one is disputing that your setup makes power and no one here is trying to discredit that. The only thing that should be highlighted to potential buyers of this system is that there are additional costs of ownership not needed in other CAI systems...such as the MAF scaling (which if I understand correctly is an ECU tune but limited only to the MAF values).
The vast majority of the Z community is paying to get their cars tuned regardless of what intakes they buy. So it is in their best interest to buy a powerful intake in preparation for their tuning session. MAF tuning is done when your car is tuned regardless of what intake it has on it. Buy the intakes, have your shop put them on and tune the car, put them on yourself, have your tuner send you a tune, etc. It is up to the customer, they can pick.


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I think this needs to be clearer because I've seen responses from you on the Facebook pages where you say that MAF scaling is required, from a purely cost based perspective...this is the same as paying for a full blown tune, correct?
It is not the same as paying for a full tune. If I was approached by a client to do the bare minimum to have his car drive on these intakes, I would charge him for just that, not a full blown tune which involves fully optimizing the car's calibration for the intakes and the user's other mods. Like I mentioned before, the practical strategy for many customers is to buy the intakes to finish out their bolt on combination, and get a full tune from their tuner (or myself if they choose) and continue enjoying their car.

The MAF rescaling was only meant for testing purposes to test the intakes on a bone stock car for those who wanted to know what they would do with all OEM restrictions in place.

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I disagree. Actually i think it's quite the contrary, it's purely objective. If you do the math and consider what it costs to purchase, MAF scale or tune and add on throttle bodies vs what it costs to purchase any of your competitors CAI systems and then compare the power gained, you will have a cost benefit/analysis that is going to point them in the other direction.

I've said it before, if your intakes came in at basically the same price or lower than your best competitor and did not require the MAF scaling. I'd probably buy Admin instead of whatever I have now.
Agree to disagree, since my intakes don't require large throttle bodies. If a customer is putting parts on their car based on the typical chokepoints of these engines, they would do it most likely like this:

Test pipes/HFCs
Exhaust (and Y pipe if going single exit)
Headers (optional, worthwhile gain regardless)
Intakes (at this point, they'd be ready to tune the car) + tune

So ultimately, they are spending the same for a tune, the same for the exhaust components, and ~$140 more for my intakes as opposed to G3s (assuming G3s still sell for $495).
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Bumping the thread... Does the Admin Intake require cutting like the Stillen?
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