Admin 3" Long Tube Intakes

Eagle · 06-28-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUTHZZ

As a old timer Z guy,I'll start with a apology.
Do not want to insult any other Z owners. But,this is how I see it.

For whatever reason,the intake is the first thing a new Z owner looks to mod after buying
the car.
Guilty-I did the obligatory Pop-Charger on my Z33.

Main thing I see about intakes and/or other go proposed "go fast" stuff is not the numbers. It is HOW the car's response is after you sunk the bucks into same.
For intakes,it will sound "sexy". That sound does not mean more power YOU CAN FEEL.
Trust me,perception is reality. You THINK it is faster. Bottom line,you will be using more fuel...
Intakes are not all that bad of an investment. Keep in mind,they are a component
or,a mix of parts to REALLY give you performance over stock.
Add HFC'S,exhaust etc. Lighter wheels--you'll have something.
Get a proper tune.
It'll feel that the car is "lighter".

Trust me

No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.

markesc · 06-28-2017, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

No need to apologize, I think you nailed it. Basically everyone understands that it's stupid to play the dyno game with cold air intakes. You just aren't going to make a lot of power, end of story. But Admin Tuning wants people to pay a butt load of cash for a kit that is not worth the cost...and then people are out there online thanking him for it and spreading the BS.

Agreed. To put it in perspective, I saw little gains on my 07 wrx going from a tuned/blouch20g to tune/cobb airbox/blouch20g. Basically what I learned from that was while yes there WERE gains, it was only because more boost could be made in a safer manner. Wasn't worth the $$ for the intake/air box plus another dyno tune.

This is why I'm skeptical about major gains with intakes with the Z being an N/A platform.

Thanks for the reply earlier, will request a quote from Seb

synolimit · 07-01-2017, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NorthStyle

The tune should cost exactly the same... Seb (Specialty Z) didn't have any issues with mine and I'm in Germany. I'll will add that I was able to drive my car without any CELs/etc. prior to tuning but I had GTR injectors installed at the same time as my Admin intakes and EPS tbs.

Thats good if it does but i dont see why it should. Ive tuned before on my wrx. Completely Rescaling a MAF at all RPMs for complete drivability isnt a 5min job or even a hour. I can see a etune costing the same because they tuner isnt out driving the car, youre doing all the work.

synolimit · 07-01-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

I don't have anything against him personally but I certainly don't like false advertising. He and his fanbois claim they make more power than any other solution out there, but the catch is you have to pay for a tune and or buy throttle bodies to take advantage of a 3" intake charge pipe. Congratulations, you get to spend $1800 on something that should have been no more than $600 for a new CAI. For that kind of money I would much rather get a new set of Stillen G3's, an oil cooler and upgrade my brake pads. Outside of the 370z world even $600 is a lot of money for something like a CAI.

He's also pushing people to tune their cars after just doing the CAI which i think most people on this forum know is pretty stupid...unless of course you got money burn. Even if it is just MAF scaling, you're paying the same amount you would for an actual tune!!!

He may be a nice guy, he may have a decent product and know how to tune...but he is pretty bad about being honest with the community about what it means when you buy a set of Admin Tuning intakes.

Pablo Escobar had money to burn. Literally. One night while running from the police he and his family found an abandoned cabin where they needed heat and he ended up burning $2 million in cash. Pablo Escobar had a enough money that he could burn $2 million cash every night for 41 years and he would still have money.

Eagle · 07-03-2017, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Pablo Escobar had money to burn. Literally. One night while running from the police he and his family found an abandoned cabin where they needed heat and he ended up burning $2 million in cash. Pablo Escobar had a enough money that he could burn $2 million cash every night for 41 years and he would still have money.

I am in the wrong business.

Rusty · 07-03-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

I am in the wrong business.

Most of us are.

markesc · 07-04-2017, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

I am in the wrong business.

We all are!

1) Monster cable
2) 5 hour energy
3) Tapout shirts
4) Beanie babies....
5) all fashion brands/fashion

All garbage, but people paid a HUGE markup for a "name" why? because most everyone in this world are followers, and buy parts/things not because of functionality, but more so because they want to LOOK or SOUND better/successful/faster/stronger etc.

It's sad really, because as soon as the "trend" or following shifts to a different product or fashion, all of a sudden those products are worth exactly nothing.

So, my advice: Don't be a follower, or learn how to sell to followers. Warren Buffet (I'm not a fan but I remember this quote) "I'm doing what the majority of people are not doing"

JARblue · 07-04-2017, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Eagle

He's also pushing people to tune their cars after just doing the CAI which i think most people on this forum know is pretty stupid.

I had only intakes installed when I got my tune. The throttle response improvement alone made me think that I could have just done a tune on a fully stock car and been happy

Of course, a few years later here I am still hanging onto a root at the top of the rabbit hole trying not to fall in. The re-tune for adding an exhaust was not expensive and done remotely.

synolimit · 07-04-2017, 06:20 AM

You have to tune with just those intakes haha! You cant increase MAF size and have the car run.

socce · 07-08-2017, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ghotnit

I have Synolimit’s setup with AAM’s intake on my car and I got gains with a tune. The key is matching the diameters so there is consistency in the airflow throughout the intake tract to keep the flow smooth. I looked at the EPS TBs and 70mm looked great but the manifold can’t go to 70mm and EPS uses an adapter to neck down to 58mm for the manifold. So where is the benefit? Synolimit’s setup is consistently 63mm (2.5 inches) which is as large as one can go. A 3-inch intake will not supply any more air than a 2.75 inch because it’s not being asked too (in a NA engine). The total vacuum demand starts in the manifold and whatever volume it can demand is all you need until you start forcing air.

This makes sense to me but It seems there is quite a divide by forum members as to whether this is the case.

I know I have gotten a few responses from some generous members on here regarding this. But I am hoping some others might chime in.

If some of you guys could start your intake build again from the beginning today. What pieces what would you go with ?

CJBinder · 07-08-2017, 05:31 PM

I love my current setup. With the 3" injen cold air intakes which mate directly in diameter to the EPS throttle bodies with upper and lower intake ported by Z1 with my FI Long Tube headers my throttle response is awesome plus the power and sound. I wouldn't change a thing

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socce · 07-23-2017, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Someone on the FB pages is giving me his new 3" setup and i sold my stillin gen 3's. Guess it cant get any worse. I say that though but 3 times ive dyno'd changing things and ive lost power! Like a lot! Think my best was 312 SAE in 4th with my setup, 2.75's, LTH and dual cbe. Then i tried e85 and made like 298 SAE in 5th!!! So almost stock power in 4th. Now with the side exit cbe and stillen gen 3's i made 310 SAE 5th. So maybe i could use a bigger intake. Who knows. Im currently porting the heads, openening the SH*T out of lower manifold and then going to try the 3" intakes. Hope it works out.

Any updates ?

Eagle · 07-25-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by socce

This makes sense to me but It seems there is quite a divide by forum members as to whether this is the case.

I know I have gotten a few responses from some generous members on here regarding this. But I am hoping some others might chime in.

If some of you guys could start your intake build again from the beginning today. What pieces what would you go with ?

If Admin cost the same as a Stillen G3 and didn't require the tune, I'd probably go with them instead of Stillen.

SS_Firehawk · 07-25-2017, 03:37 PM

Injen are 2.75" and neck down at the MAF. 2.75" is 70mm; the same size as the EPS TB's. The bottleneck is the stock manifold inlet. It's 60mm. You need to open that up and the maximum you can port it out is 64mm; which happens to be about 2.5". Looking at the Tim Bell Throttlebodies, they aren't running oversized ones either. They look stock, and they made 450+bhp according to their sale page. I'm hesitant to believe there is some sort of magic in the Admin intake or EPS throttle-bodies that make any more measurable power than ported stocks and 2.5" CAI's.

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1cintron · 07-26-2017, 09:09 PM

As a current Admin Tuning Intake owner, I don't recommend you spend the $$ on them... i am not much of a fan since the piping is not smooth in the inside and can affect air flow... the pictures below show the obstructions in the pipe from manufacture/welding in the direction of air flow.

07-04-2017, 06:20 AM	#39 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3388	You have to tune with just those intakes haha! You cant increase MAF size and have the car run. Kingbaby likes this. __________________ 13 370z-

07-08-2017, 05:31 PM	#41 (permalink)
CJBinder Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Omaha NE Posts: 272 Drives: 09 370Z PG M6 Rep Power: 24	I love my current setup. With the 3" injen cold air intakes which mate directly in diameter to the EPS throttle bodies with upper and lower intake ported by Z1 with my FI Long Tube headers my throttle response is awesome plus the power and sound. I wouldn't change a thing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk socce likes this. __________________ Injen cold air intakes, Ported upper and lower manifolds, OS Giken LSD, F1 Long Tube Headers, Magnaflow CBE. Natural Baby

07-25-2017, 03:37 PM	#44 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	Injen are 2.75" and neck down at the MAF. 2.75" is 70mm; the same size as the EPS TB's. The bottleneck is the stock manifold inlet. It's 60mm. You need to open that up and the maximum you can port it out is 64mm; which happens to be about 2.5". Looking at the Tim Bell Throttlebodies, they aren't running oversized ones either. They look stock, and they made 450+bhp according to their sale page. I'm hesitant to believe there is some sort of magic in the Admin intake or EPS throttle-bodies that make any more measurable power than ported stocks and 2.5" CAI's. 2015 Nissan NISMO 370Z GS IMSA CTSCC W/ Spares! for Sale in MOORESVILLE, NC \| RacingJunk Classifieds Kingbaby, Chuck33079, Stright_Drop and 1 others like this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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1cintron Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 116 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 12	As a current Admin Tuning Intake owner, I don't recommend you spend the $$ on them... i am not much of a fan since the piping is not smooth in the inside and can affect air flow... the pictures below show the obstructions in the pipe from manufacture/welding in the direction of air flow.