Blown Motor, Engine Rebuild/Replacement.

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 08:08 AM

Are you just selling to get the bad taste out of your mouth? Most of the critical components aren't made by GTM. Once you get the manifolds fixed and redo the water lines, you've fixed the issues with the kit. I don't see there being a dramatic difference in performance at the end of the day, but you'd be out thousands of dollars at minimum.

COSMO · 03-14-2014, 08:18 AM

Chuck your right I don't think their would be a huge difference in performance but no one has any viable options on the table regarding the waters lines too... This lack of boost in my life is Killing me!!!! !@#$%^&*()

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl

Chuck your right I don't think their would be a huge difference in performance but no one has any viable options on the table regarding the waters lines too... This lack of boost in my life is Killing me!!!! !@#$%^&*()

Talking to the guy who built my car, rerouting the water lines isn't going to be as useful as we think since the majority of the flow is still going to follow the path of least resistance and go through the heater lines. He's working on a pump setup for mine that would just increase flow through the existing water lines. It should be easy enough to add on after you're done if it works for me.

COSMO · 03-14-2014, 08:28 AM

Well you have my attention so please keep me updated. I'm hoping to have my built motor back in the next few weeks but have no idea on how long it will take vsr to fix or fab those manifolds..

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl

Well you have my attention so please keep me updated. I'm hoping to have my built motor back in the next few weeks but have no idea on how long it will take vsr to fix or fab those manifolds..

Will do. It's a "before summer" project since we've both got a lot of projects on our plates. He figures if you just wire a pump in line before the turbos our problem will be gone. We'll see. Pumps and wire is cheap, so I'll definitely give it a shot before I start replumbing everything.

COSMO · 03-14-2014, 09:06 AM

Are you reffering to a sureflow pump and if so since the pump is pre-turbo the heat shouldn't be an issue going through the pump. Also do you think it would affect the thermostat ?

COSMO · 03-14-2014, 09:09 AM

Hey chuck since you have seen the amount that needs to be cut and trimmed to get the maximum flow of those manifolds going to the turbo's what would you recommend to use because in the area it is Very think. I hit it yesterday a little with the tungsten bit and it didn't do much at all...

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl

Are you reffering to a sureflow pump and if so since the pump is pre-turbo the heat shouldn't be an issue going through the pump. Also do you think it would affect the thermostat ?

No effect on the thermostat as far as I can figure. Not sure on the pump, I've farmed out the thinking on this one. I'll install what he tells me.

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl

Hey chuck since you have seen the amount that needs to be cut and trimmed to get the maximum flow of those manifolds going to the turbo's what would you recommend to use because in the area it is Very think. I hit it yesterday a little with the tungsten bit and it didn't do much at all...

A tungsten carbide bit wouldn't cut cast iron? Odd. That's what I've always used with good success.

COSMO · 03-14-2014, 09:40 AM

Actually it will but the small bit I have on my dremel would take forever to do. I will look around for something a bit bigger because if I do keep the kit I want to open up so it can flow as much as possible... Rusty please feel free to chime in here...

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmogirl

Actually it will but the small bit I have on my dremel would take forever to do. I will look around for something a bit bigger because if I do keep the kit I want to open up so it can flow as much as possible... Rusty please feel free to chime in here...

Problem found. You need a cutting tool with more nuts. Hell, Harbor Freight will have a $20 air die grinder that'll work well enough to do the job. The Dremel is for final finishing, not hogging out that kind of metal. You're also using plenty of cutting oil, right?

G37sHKS · 03-14-2014, 10:57 AM

Wait, what water lines? should we modify the water lines and ditch the manual instruction that came with GTM? whats wrong with water lines that GTM supplied?

And wtf is up with this replicated HKS manifold. Im a huge fan of HKS I don't not wish to put anything replicated on my damn car especially when it comes to HKS.
I hate you Charles, you know all this but you didn't warned us?!!!

GTM? George? Sam? Pablo? Is that true??

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

Wait, what water lines? should we modify the water lines and ditch the manual instruction that came with GTM? whats wrong with water lines that GTM supplied?

They daisy-chain the water lines to the turbos so the "cool" inlet on the second turbo is seeing coolant that's already been heated up from the first turbo.

G37sHKS · 03-14-2014, 11:03 AM

I think Im using oil to cool the turbo down in my system.

Edit: Cosmo, its gonna be useless to lose money and buy a new kit. You already got good turbos all you need is a proper manifold and you're done.

Chuck33079 · 03-14-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

I think Im using oil to cool the turbo down in my system.

If it's a GTM kit, you're using both. Garretts use oil and coolant.

G37sHKS · 03-14-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

They daisy-chain the water lines to the turbos so the "cool" inlet on the second turbo is seeing coolant that's already been heated up from the first turbo.

So all we need is Y pipe connector and problem is fixed?
Why GTM didn't monitor this issue may I ask?

03-14-2014, 08:08 AM	#556 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	Are you just selling to get the bad taste out of your mouth? Most of the critical components aren't made by GTM. Once you get the manifolds fixed and redo the water lines, you've fixed the issues with the kit. I don't see there being a dramatic difference in performance at the end of the day, but you'd be out thousands of dollars at minimum. Nixlimited and Ron like this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-14-2014, 10:57 AM	#566 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	Wait, what water lines? should we modify the water lines and ditch the manual instruction that came with GTM? whats wrong with water lines that GTM supplied? And wtf is up with this replicated HKS manifold. Im a huge fan of HKS I don't not wish to put anything replicated on my damn car especially when it comes to HKS. I hate you Charles, you know all this but you didn't warned us?!!! GTM? George? Sam? Pablo? Is that true?? __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

03-14-2014, 11:03 AM	#568 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	I think Im using oil to cool the turbo down in my system. Edit: Cosmo, its gonna be useless to lose money and buy a new kit. You already got good turbos all you need is a proper manifold and you're done. __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

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03-14-2014, 08:18 AM	#557 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Chuck your right I don't think their would be a huge difference in performance but no one has any viable options on the table regarding the waters lines too... This lack of boost in my life is Killing me!!!! !@#$%^&*()

03-14-2014, 08:28 AM	#559 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Well you have my attention so please keep me updated. I'm hoping to have my built motor back in the next few weeks but have no idea on how long it will take vsr to fix or fab those manifolds..

03-14-2014, 09:06 AM	#561 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Are you reffering to a sureflow pump and if so since the pump is pre-turbo the heat shouldn't be an issue going through the pump. Also do you think it would affect the thermostat ?

03-14-2014, 09:09 AM	#562 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Hey chuck since you have seen the amount that needs to be cut and trimmed to get the maximum flow of those manifolds going to the turbo's what would you recommend to use because in the area it is Very think. I hit it yesterday a little with the tungsten bit and it didn't do much at all...

03-14-2014, 09:40 AM	#564 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Actually it will but the small bit I have on my dremel would take forever to do. I will look around for something a bit bigger because if I do keep the kit I want to open up so it can flow as much as possible... Rusty please feel free to chime in here...