Air Intake Temps- Stillen SC

BOLIO 671 · 02-29-2016, 11:54 PM

Just sharing this vid.....Seb @ Specialty Z just tuned a Stillen SC'd 370Z over the weekend...this car supposedly has the Frozenboost Heat Exchanger and reached intake air temps of 200*F on a dyno pass. According to Seb the fluid in the reservoir was cool to the touch, so there is obviously inefficiency elsewhere. Supports the argument that the intake plenum is too small to cool the air.

Ive heard that typically TT kits have AIT's of around 120-130 max on a hot day.

JWillis72 · 03-01-2016, 07:52 AM

That got hot fast!

TopgunZ · 03-01-2016, 07:52 AM

And he only hit 8.4psi max!! At 10 it would be 225+!!

TBatt · 03-01-2016, 04:05 PM

Sounds like the pump isn't working. Did they verify that the water was circulating? Grabbing hold of the inlet and outlet hose to the plenum should verify that the pump is moving water. If both are the same temp then the flow is no go.

StillenZ84 · 03-01-2016, 04:09 PM

Seb also sent me this video last night. That is why either e85 or some type of meth kit is critical for the Stillen kit, water cooled of course. We also discussed the air to air and he said that it would drastically take down the temps as Aaron has previously said. Our kit being water cooled is a MAJOR flaw. I will also be installing a temp sensor like the guy in the video did, where the old MAP sensor goes to test this as well.

TopgunZ · 03-01-2016, 05:33 PM

Ill take a video of my A2A setup and show no more than a 15* increase in temps. So a 70 degree day and your temps entering the plenum are a cool 85* or so.

mikey1600 · 03-01-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Ill take a video of my A2A setup and show no more than a 15* increase in temps. So a 70 degree day and your temps entering the plenum are a cool 85* or so.

that would be awesome man!! please do so

can't remember are you running pump fuel or e85?

TopgunZ · 03-01-2016, 08:13 PM

I'm on e85. Which cools it even more once in the combustion chamber, but iats will still be the same as pump.

BOLIO 671 · 03-01-2016, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by StillenZ84

Seb also sent me this video last night. That is why either e85 or some type of meth kit is critical for the Stillen kit, water cooled of course. We also discussed the air to air and he said that it would drastically take down the temps as Aaron has previously said. Our kit being water cooled is a MAJOR flaw. I will also be installing a temp sensor like the guy in the video did, where the old MAP sensor goes to test this as well.

Keep me posted on this mod....I am interested in also doing this...This vid has me very concerned about the AIT's.

Maddog · 03-02-2016, 03:16 AM

I had a massive front intercooler on my R33 Skyline (single turbo running 400hp 1.2 bar) and used to monitor IAT , I would often see 130+ and we dont get really hot days here in the UK. I would expect see even higher temperatures on the dyno.

Of course the a2a kits will cool down much quicker than the water cooled kits which will hold the temperature longer as will all the pipework that sits along the front of the engine of these kits

I think a gauge perferably with a warning is essential

MoulaZ · 12-31-2016, 04:44 PM

Sorry to dig up an old thread. But I'm very keen to know the ambient air temp on the day?

*edit* Also for those unaware, Seb posted that they found the SC unit had unusually tight bearings, and once that was rectified, temps dropped by 50-60f. */edit*

Just finished doing the Stillen install myself with a 9 PSI pulley and given the crazy summer we're in at the moment 30-40c and occasional heatwaves of 40c+ (104f+) I'm getting very concerned about reliability. Car didn't make that much power (about 360rwhp) and Tuner told me he couldn't advance timing past 13 without pinging.

I'm also looking to install a AIT sensor post-intercooler and Seb is doing an e-Tune for me in a week or two.

Honestly just kicking myself for not going A2A the first time, and while that most likely is on the books, that won't be happening for another year I think.

BOLIO 671 · 12-31-2016, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoulaZ

Sorry to dig up an old thread. But I'm very keen to know the ambient air temp on the day?

*edit* Also for those unaware, Seb posted that they found the SC unit had unusually tight bearings, and once that was rectified, temps dropped by 50-60f. */edit*

Just finished doing the Stillen install myself with a 9 PSI pulley and given the crazy summer we're in at the moment 30-40c and occasional heatwaves of 40c+ (104f+) I'm getting very concerned about reliability. Car didn't make that much power (about 360rwhp) and Tuner told me he couldn't advance timing past 13 without pinging.

I'm also looking to install a AIT sensor post-intercooler and Seb is doing an e-Tune for me in a week or two.

Honestly just kicking myself for not going A2A the first time, and while that most likely is on the books, that won't be happening for another year I think.

Ur edit is correct with what Seb disclosed on his follow up in reference to the this video. Are u on the Frozen boost or The Stillen Heat Exchanger?

MoulaZ · 12-31-2016, 11:41 PM

FrozenBoost. Except I may have gone a little crazy with it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD28gD5U8rA

ChaseZ · 01-01-2017, 12:03 AM

Awesome! I'm in the middle of my SC install with the frozenboost. Crossed my mind to add a couple fans to pull the air through, but never got beyond the idea.

Oh and you won't fit that drain valve on the bottom unless you trim the bottom of your bumper cover and possibly the undertray. Put the plug back in

MoulaZ · 01-01-2017, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaseZ

Awesome! I'm in the middle of my SC install with the frozenboost. Crossed my mind to add a couple fans to pull the air through, but never got beyond the idea.

Oh and you won't fit that drain valve on the bottom unless you trim the bottom of your bumper cover and possibly the undertray. Put the plug back in

Honestly I was just messing around. Figured it couldn't hurt to try and might be fun/interesting lol. And given how high I mounted that Exchanger I don't have any issues with that drain tap. Oh, and I got this kit second hand, didn't come with the plug heh.

Forgive some of the photos, as they were mostly taken during the mock up phases. But I had to create a lot of clearance to make those damn fans fit, it was a very tight fit. Exchanger is kissing the front bar, and there about 10mm clearance from rear of fan to PS & Oil Coolers. PS Cooler had to come back a bit, had to cut some plastic where the lines come in and take the OEM brackets bend/flip and work some magic on them. Oil Cooler now sits on flush with Radiator Support... and it was just one extra Relay for the fans, they draw about 30A.

02-29-2016, 11:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
BOLIO 671 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: GUAHAN Posts: 1,198 Drives: To & From then Back Rep Power: 3399	Air Intake Temps- Stillen SC Just sharing this vid.....Seb @ Specialty Z just tuned a Stillen SC'd 370Z over the weekend...this car supposedly has the Frozenboost Heat Exchanger and reached intake air temps of 200*F on a dyno pass. According to Seb the fluid in the reservoir was cool to the touch, so there is obviously inefficiency elsewhere. Supports the argument that the intake plenum is too small to cool the air. Ive heard that typically TT kits have AIT's of around 120-130 max on a hot day. swiss370Z, JWillis72, Maddog and 1 others like this. __________________ 2013 Nismo Z34 / FI TT #091 / IG: @lilzilla_z34

03-01-2016, 07:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6833	And he only hit 8.4psi max!! At 10 it would be 225+!! StillenZ84 likes this. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

03-01-2016, 04:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
TBatt Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20168	Sounds like the pump isn't working. Did they verify that the water was circulating? Grabbing hold of the inlet and outlet hose to the plenum should verify that the pump is moving water. If both are the same temp then the flow is no go. __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE!

03-01-2016, 04:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
StillenZ84 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 316 Drives: 2010 370Z 7AT S/C Rep Power: 17	Seb also sent me this video last night. That is why either e85 or some type of meth kit is critical for the Stillen kit, water cooled of course. We also discussed the air to air and he said that it would drastically take down the temps as Aaron has previously said. Our kit being water cooled is a MAJOR flaw. I will also be installing a temp sensor like the guy in the video did, where the old MAP sensor goes to test this as well. BOLIO 671 likes this. __________________ AtA SC\|9 lb pulley\|2.85" SC\|3.47" Jack\|E85\|CJM S1-SE\|ID1000s\|Walboro 485\|Zeitronix FF\|Stillen CBE\|AP Racing\|Level 10\|F.I. Flex plate\|Nismo-S tune\|EcuTek RaceRom\|Sebz\|Speed density\|Haltech\|3GsCustoms Dual pod a-pillar\|Carbon Signal GTR gauges\|Fujimura\|Built\| CP Pistons/Carrillo rods\|PortPolishHeads/intakes\|928motorsports IG: evanosteenz34 Last edited by StillenZ84; 03-01-2016 at 04:13 PM.

03-01-2016, 05:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6833	Ill take a video of my A2A setup and show no more than a 15* increase in temps. So a 70 degree day and your temps entering the plenum are a cool 85* or so. BOLIO 671 and StillenZ84 like this. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

03-01-2016, 07:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
JWillis72 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 2,002 Drives: 2009 370Z yellow 7AT Rep Power: 44	That got hot fast!

03-01-2016, 08:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6833	I'm on e85. Which cools it even more once in the combustion chamber, but iats will still be the same as pump. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

03-02-2016, 03:16 AM	#10 (permalink)
Maddog Base Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Uk Posts: 94 Drives: 2012 370z GT a/t Rep Power: 11	I had a massive front intercooler on my R33 Skyline (single turbo running 400hp 1.2 bar) and used to monitor IAT , I would often see 130+ and we dont get really hot days here in the UK. I would expect see even higher temperatures on the dyno. Of course the a2a kits will cool down much quicker than the water cooled kits which will hold the temperature longer as will all the pipework that sits along the front of the engine of these kits I think a gauge perferably with a warning is essential __________________ Eibach sway bars and 25mm spacers, Stillen kit , Level 10 trans, Quaife diff

12-31-2016, 04:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
MoulaZ Base Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 229 Drives: '09 Z34 BP Turbo V2 Rep Power: 24	Sorry to dig up an old thread. But I'm very keen to know the ambient air temp on the day? edit Also for those unaware, Seb posted that they found the SC unit had unusually tight bearings, and once that was rectified, temps dropped by 50-60f. /edit Just finished doing the Stillen install myself with a 9 PSI pulley and given the crazy summer we're in at the moment 30-40c and occasional heatwaves of 40c+ (104f+) I'm getting very concerned about reliability. Car didn't make that much power (about 360rwhp) and Tuner told me he couldn't advance timing past 13 without pinging. I'm also looking to install a AIT sensor post-intercooler and Seb is doing an e-Tune for me in a week or two. Honestly just kicking myself for not going A2A the first time, and while that most likely is on the books, that won't be happening for another year I think. Last edited by MoulaZ; 12-31-2016 at 04:58 PM.

01-01-2017, 12:03 AM	#14 (permalink)
ChaseZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2016 Location: Calgary Posts: 3,799 Drives: 16 370z Rep Power: 94682	Awesome! I'm in the middle of my SC install with the frozenboost. Crossed my mind to add a couple fans to pull the air through, but never got beyond the idea. Oh and you won't fit that drain valve on the bottom unless you trim the bottom of your bumper cover and possibly the undertray. Put the plug back in

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