Fuel Starvation Control Product

brucelidat

Sorry since I am sure this has all been gone over in this thread, but I don't want to read through 34 pages of posts. Did a first batch ever make it out and how much was it? Are there more batches in the works and how tricky of an install is it?

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Rusty

The first batch sold out. I got one of them. Phunk said he would make more if there is enough interest.

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brucelidat

How much did they end up selling for and how difficult/easy was install?

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takjak2

around $1000. I think pretty much all of us did the install ourselves. There were a couple steps which are a little tight and can be frustrating, but the instructions are really good.

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travisjb

Noticed the fuel hose is not rated for in tank usage... anyone else pick up on this?

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Sh0velMan

That probably just means it never went through the test cycle for it.

My thought on it was that if it can tolerate the fuel inside of it, it's going to be fine with fuel on the outside as well, assuming the inside and outside are the same material.

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briankim167

nope but it doesn't really matter since CJ Motorsports hasn't even had much interest in making the product go on sale again... ;(

SPOHN

Probably cause so many act like there interested till money comes into play.

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SS_Firehawk

nonrefundable deposit :P 50%... problem solved

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Mike

He's not a major manufacturer and its the only off the shelf solution out there. Are you really worried about the deposit. I'm sure he doesn't want to get hit with the cost of making it when someone backs out after ordering. He's not going to rip anyone off, he has been in the z community a long time

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O&G

Charles is the man when it come to VQ fuel systems. He checks his emails daily and will do what he can for good customers. I'm currently working with him to get a fuel return kit.

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Rusty

When I installed mine. I had a few questions, and we texted back and forth for about 3 hrs. He's a stand up guy. Something you don't see too often.

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wstar

+1 on that, CJM has been great to work with.

Travis, can you elaborate on the "hose rated for in-tank usage" thing? I'm not about to tear back into mine to look, but I assume you mean the blue hose that you cut several runs of to go back and forth with.

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DCNISMO

Actually, fuel hoses are rated differently if they are immersed in the tank. How do I know, well Aprilia RSVR 1000 bikes had lots of problems with the internal hose in the tank splitting causing breakdowns. There was a fix and the hose that came with it (repair kit under warranty) was rated to be in the tank.

phunk

The AQP hose we use inside the tank for the fuel starvation kit is not "rated" for in-tank use. However, we have been successful with it for years in other applications. The only thing I have noticed is that it can stiffen up a bit, but I haven't had one fail yet... Some being submerged going on like 10 years now. I certainly hope it does not cause an issue for anyone.

Getting hose that is rated for submersion in fuel isn't always an easy task, especially once you get away from 5/16 size hose which is the most popular fuel line size. There are SAE ratings that judge a hose for its purpose, pressure, and location. However, you can purchase hoses made of the same materials that do not have the SAE ratings.

Very few manufacturers care to let us know if their hoses are up to the task... So it's often up to us to individually research a hose and try and find out what it's made of.

But yes, it definitely matters. Most fuel lines only have a very thin inside lining that is compatible with fuel. Once the outer layers begin to degrade, there is nothing supporting the inside liner to hold up to pressure without bursting.

Most people don't think anything about it. I have seen tons of guys use stainless braided fuel lines in their tanks... None of that stainless braided hose has an outer jacket that is fuel safe. As time passes, fuel will degrade the rubber between the liner and stainless braid, until the inline eventually fails. It can take years though. Sometimes it can happen quickly.

There are 2 different hoses I use inside the tank. Both have seen 100s of installs where they lasted years and are still going strong. One I have had a couple failures from but it seemed like a special case since so many others haven't.

I have all the equipment to assemble OEM type nylon hoses and quick connectors... And I will be moving to it more when I get more comfortable with it. It's much cheaper and lighter, I just don't trust it as much yet as far as temperature and abrasion. There are other concerns I have with it in terms of aftermarket integration if anyone wants to talk about it I can go into details. I almost supplied nylon for this project.

I try to use PTFE hoses for almost everything that I can. That stuff is where it's at. Unfortunately you cannot clamp it down on a barb, meaning there are limitations to where you can use it. If it were up to me, we would use it for everything.

edit: revisiting this issue, i have found a manufacturer of a SAE submersible rated hose in the correct size that can be used with standard barbs and clamps. I cant find it in stock anywhere, but they are at least listing the proper size in existence. Last I checked, I could only find it in 5/16. It looks like it would be about $200 to purchase it in enough length for this application. Another website it comes up about $360. Ultimately, not effective. If anyone has a problem, we can get this stuff. But I am hoping we dont see anything come up.

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