Next Generation of NISMO Performance Announcement Coming 2/26

gomer_110 · 02-27-2013, 10:04 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Nissan wants to compete against the BRZ then bring back the f-ing silvia for that and leave the Z to compete against Mustangs, Camaro, etc.

MC · 02-27-2013, 10:52 PM

new pics from the NISMO headquarters

Cmike2780 · 02-27-2013, 11:04 PM

Thats pretty f'n impressive. Drool-

Eagle · 02-27-2013, 11:49 PM

Goddamn how i wish they'd produce the R390 for public sale.

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I'm really worried brother... I want more than anything for the Z to be a huge competitor in the next gen market. We never addressed the things we should've and what we did address it took too long.

That said. I don't see this current Z as a complete disaster and for whatever reason the American media felt they needed to? I think the Z's shortcomings are over-exaggerated. BUT, we need a formula that has to be bulletproof.

1. Much lighter weight (2800-3000lb range through alum &CF usage expansion) 370Z is pretty light, already, given what they are working with. I think they need to use SMC to drop more weight. A'la Corvette. Keep the back aluminum, go SMC on the front 1/2 of the car, they should be able to hit a near 50/50 with that and a few more tweaks.
2. An automatic transmission that can hold up to 500rwhp Fair, but that is 50% more than the car comes with. Why not brakes and suspension bushings that can hold the power it's already GOT?
3. A smoother short shifting manual. I agree. The only transmission I have had that was rougher was my TKO500. My Z06 and my WS.6 shifted much better.
4. Maintain or improve the 1g/1.01g of grip we currently have I strongly agree, but don't go chasing this number by ******* up the weight distribution like they did with this model, all that 53/47 jazz. It sucks. Some good tires from the factory would help, a LOT! Dump that Potenza junk and just accept that a good American tire like Michelin PSS is a better option unless they can figure something better out.
5. Universal brake cooling for all models That would be nice.
6. A body design that can support over 180mph top speeds w/o body kit. The 370Z feels very stable to me at 140-150, and it has a "zero lift" design currently, with the Sport package. Very happy with the Aero of the car.
7. A simplified yet very high quality interior. I'm so-so here. I don't find the interior daunting, but quality improvement is now needed to keep pace. It happens 4 model years in and all. Normal needs. I'd like for them to get rid of all the damn rattles and squeaks. The buzzing seatbelt is very annoying, and the buzzing dash isn't far behind.
8. Squeeze an extra foot of trunk space This would increase weight...but it would also increase wheel-base if done right, and thus high-speed stability.
9. Look at michelin PSS as standard sport tires. Hah! Just read this...
10. Maintain sport pkg width on tires and continue Rays wheel support. BMW M3 owner couldn't believe my car came stock with these. I'd like to see a tad more width. Maybe 255 up front and 285 out back.
11. Akebono needs to improve on weight reduction and ventilation on the next sport brake. It's a piece of crap. They need to do something, I'm not sure what, but you already read that thread...
12. Use high torque F.I. Motor Here is where I disagree with 99% of the board. I think that if the 370Z shed a tad of weight, got a more aggressive exhaust (Corvette style NPP would be the best solution), and added 5-10% more power via DI, while correcting their crappy 53/47 (really more like 55/45 in my testing with DOT scales), the car would wake up, sound like sex, and I really have nothing bad to say about the current engine. It's not a drag-racing car. I think 385bhp would be PLENTY! if they cut wet weight to 31-3250, which is what is realistic given price constraints, etc.)
13. Keep prices as reasonable as possible.
Well, yeah...
Stay away from

1. electric steering.
2. electric handbrakes
3. Too much digital shyt
4.Adding a clock in the triple gauge cluster

My .02, FWIW.

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MC

if they increase the price much the car is going to die. Its selling 450 a month

I want the Z35 to be what the BRZ is and isnt at the same time. you give me that same weight and proportioned car with 300hp for not exceeding 5K more than the BRZ and its a hit

Crazy how other cars in its price range sell like crazy, huh? I mean, mustang sales and all. The new 5.0 with Track Pack is all the rage. If Nissan makes a car that compete, maybe it will sell too. Of course the fat whore doesn't make as much money as the hot one. Nissan needs to get it in shape and maybe she can bring home some money.

LMBmikeZ · 02-28-2013, 04:56 AM

but those other cars are selling due to there name, a lot of people go

when you say you drive a nissan

(american made domestic heads) but these can also be the same idiots who say the corolla is import and not made domestically mean while it's made in the town they live in

dummies

The Nismo HQ looks sweet! Makes me want a GTR

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ

but those other cars are selling due to there name, a lot of people go

when you say you drive a nissan

(american made domestic heads) but these can also be the same idiots who say the corolla is import and not made domestically mean while it's made in the town they live in

dummies

The Nismo HQ looks sweet! Makes me want a GTR

I promise you, it's not the "Oh, it's a Nissan" that is keeping the 370Z from selling. Do you know where I live? I live in Shreveport, LA. Can you think of a more import hating place than next to one of the largest military installations in the US in a Southern town where the Daughters of the Confederacy and the NAACP went at it daily over a patch of ground flying a Confederate Flag down town in front of the court-house up until a year or so ago? I cannot. (PS. I hate this town).

Anyway, I get more compliments in my 370Z than I have gotten combined in my Mustang GT, Z06, or two Trans Ams before that. All prime redneck and 'Murican loved vehicles.

No, sir, it is NOT the "It's an import"...

that is keeping the 370Z from selling. It's not brand, it's not image. It's lack of substance in the numbers department. 'Murica buys a car because of how much she has under the hood. The 370Z doesn't have crap under the hood by 'Murica's standards, so the fact that it weighs less than the boat of a Challenger/Charger doesn't matter, really. The fact that there are no back-seats for the single baby-momma's in this town are a huge killer. Everyone here has some form of child or ten. They need a car with back seats. Please, Nissan, don't...

...but that's part of why it doesn't compete with the Camaro, Mustang, and Mopars twins.

'Murica wants to go fast in one direction toting it's EBT-enabling cargo squalling all the way. At least, the 'Murica I live in.

Then you take a single guy who hates kids and doesn't care who made it, as long as it's quality gear, and we try the 370Z out. We discover that the brakes don't work so great, the shifter is worse than the Tremec's in the American cars, the handling in the GT Track Pack is more neutral, and we say...damn. 'Murica! and we never look back. Nissan is a "one and done" for us, because we looked past the other things that weeded others out, but once we actually got the product, we found out it was all sexy curves, cute little catch phrases like "dynamic weight transfer", and no balls or brawn when it comes time to actually DRIVE the thing and we wind up with warped rotors and hating the front-heavy handling and all those little nitpicky things after a day of driving to and from work on a road with a few kinks in it.

That is why it doesn't sell.

Those who would buy it, can't fit their life into it, and those who do buy it, figure out that it's not half the car it seemed like in the product brochure.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Crazy how other cars in its price range sell like crazy, huh? I mean, mustang sales and all. The new 5.0 with Track Pack is all the rage. If Nissan makes a car that compete, maybe it will sell too. Of course the fat whore doesn't make as much money as the hot one. Nissan needs to get it in shape and maybe she can bring home some money.

the z wasn't meant to be sold in those numbers either. If we sold in the range of 20,000 to 30,000 units a year. the Z would be considered a HUGE success.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

My .02, FWIW.

I think Fi benefits this car more because v6 NA tuning sucks and is expensive. NA v8 or FI 6 are superior to other types of inexpensive engines. Plus they are much more mod friendly as well as less expensive to mod.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 07:56 AM

Hmmmm what would Rick James say right Now?

"Nice Car n****! Where's the F@%kn exhaust?????? Arrrrggggghhhh!!!"

Then stomp his muddy boots in the interior

lol

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I think Fi benefits this car more because v6 NA tuning sucks and is expensive. NA v8 or FI 6 are superior to other types of inexpensive engines. Plus they are much more mod friendly as well as less expensive to mod.

FI is heavy, and the car is already a pig up front. They would need to figure out how to trim it down a lot not to un-balance it even more than it already is.

Cmike2780 · 02-28-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Crazy how other cars in its price range sell like crazy, huh? I mean, mustang sales and all. The new 5.0 with Track Pack is all the rage. If Nissan makes a car that compete, maybe it will sell too. Of course the fat whore doesn't make as much money as the hot one. Nissan needs to get it in shape and maybe she can bring home some money.

I agree with you somewhat, but the sales figures of the Mustang has been on the decline overall....even after the refresh. People just aren't buying as many sports cars/muscle cars as they use to in the early 2000's. Stangs are still outselling the Z by a huge margin, but overall, it's been on a decline. Ford knows this. It's why rumors of a the next Mustang becoming more of a sports car instead of muscle car are likely. I love muscle cars & anything fast, but let's face it, the majority of the planet are satisfied driving a Camry or Civic.

Heck, 'Murica's love for muscle cars isn't even a comparison to what they really love. The bread and butter for the big three and the very reason they are still around after making lackluster cars for so many years......Big *** Trucks! Ford sold 645,316 F-Series trucks last year vs 82,995 for the 'stang.

I guess my point is, it's a niche market begin with and you can find faults in every car if you look hard enough. You'd have to be a complete fool to believe every word in the brochure. If every word were true, there would be no aftermarket & we wouldn't need to modify anything. It's not an excuse or in defense of Nissan, Ford or any other company, just realities of producing a car that has to apeal to millions, each having very specific wants and needs. The next Z should be better and learn from current owners, but that doesn't mean Nissan is going to listen to a few enthusiast. Here's to hoping that they do.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I agree with you somewhat, but the sales figures of the Mustang has been on the decline overall....even after the refresh. People just aren't buying as many sports cars/muscle cars as they use to in the early 2000's. Stangs are still outselling the Z by a huge margin, but overall, it's been on a decline. Ford knows this. It's why rumors of a the next Mustang becoming more of a sports car instead of muscle car are likely. I love muscle cars & anything fast, but let's face it, the majority of the planet are satisfied driving a Camry or Civic.

Heck, 'Murica's love for muscle cars isn't even a comparison to what they really love. The bread and butter for the big three and the very reason they are still around after making lackluster cars for so many years......Big *** Trucks! Ford sold 645,316 F-Series trucks last year vs 82,995 for the 'stang.

I guess my point is, it's a niche market begin with and you can find faults in every car if you look hard enough. You'd have to be a complete fool to believe every word in the brochure. If every word were true, there would be no aftermarket & we wouldn't need to modify anything. It's not an excuse or in defense of Nissan, Ford or any other company, just realities of producing a car that has to apeal to millions, each having very specific wants and needs. The next Z should be better and learn from current owners, but that doesn't mean Nissan is going to listen to a few enthusiast. Here's to hoping that they do.

Yeah but Camaro sales see increases... I think Fords overall styling works against them as well as having the Live axle. I think people are just demanding more for their money. Camaro offers more overall interior comfort. (Those seats are amazing) More confident steering and a sport like seat position with caddy like comfort. While mustang has a comfy seat option. comfort is standard on a camaro. Camaro also has a lot of standard creature comforts.
The mustang performance is more pure but the vast market is looking for a combo sport/ comfort car. The camaro fits that mold much better and just feels good when driving daily by comparison.
I think the next gen will be more z like in terms of a lot of power matched on amazing handling. That will help the stang, but with the ATS chassis being the main candidate for the next gen camaro. It will be a tight race. Either way. I think mustang sales will increase next gen. This gen body style is just worn to shyt.

Cmike2780 · 02-28-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah but Camaro sales see increases... I think Fords overall styling works against them as well as having the Live axle. I think people are just demanding more for their money. Camaro offers more overall interior comfort. (Those seats are amazing) More confident steering and a sport like seat position with caddy like comfort. While mustang has a comfy seat option. comfort is standard on a camaro. Camaro also has a lot of standard creature comforts.
The mustang performance is more pure but the vast market is looking for a combo sport/ comfort car. The camaro fits that mold much better and just feels good when driving daily by comparison.
I think the next gen will be more z like in terms of a lot of power matched on amazing handling. That will help the stang, but with the ATS chassis being the main candidate for the next gen camaro. It will be a tight race. Either way. I think mustang sales will increase next gen. This gen body style is just worn to shyt.

The Camaro sales are beating the Mustang, but totals show an overall decrease from 2011 to 2013 for the Camaro also. It's some 3,800 units less. That's about a third of 370z sales in 2012. I actually like the Mustang's styling over the Camaro. Both cars need a huge re-design though. The Camaro's styling, although hadn't entered production until 2010, dates back to 2006 in a concept form. That's a lot of years of seeing the same design. I'm curious to see what Chevy has planned for the next gen Camaro after seeing the new Stingray.

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