Nissan IM concept for those dreaming about Tesla

ZCanadian · 03-11-2019, 11:39 AM

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Now you are moving from the Department of Energy loan program to the tax incentives where Nevada gave Tesla. You do know the difference between a tax incentive to build a plant vs. a loan right? Didn't Scott Walker give Foxconn $3m in incentives to build in Wisconsin too? I guess you are right, the plan is failing horribly, the gigafactory factory is just a mirage. The people in Sparks Nevada are giving away their home due to the failure. https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2018/...is/1619609002/

Maybe it is time for a Bombardier type bailout, can we get JT to help out?

The tax incentives were implemented to help speed up the adoption of zero emission vehicle (you can say less emission or whatever you want to call it).
You might not like it, but you pay for it sooner or later through the damages caused by the change in storm intensity. I worked as an actuary, storm intensity due to climate change was part of the rate adjustment we factored in.

You can say you are being taxed unfairly, but I can argue the same because I have to pay for gas/oil subsidy unwillingly either. How do we settle the score on that?

I think I am quite clear about the difference between a loan and a grant. I never mentioned loans. "Government handouts and incentives" was the term I used, and the Nevada deal was a doozie. Your knee-jerk response is just wanting to defend the indefensible. And you can have JT and his tom-foolery if you want him, 'cuz we don't. ;-)

The tax incentives were there as a government gift to manufacturers of EV's, who didn't therefore have to produce a competitive product. It was far easier to lobby politicians and charm them into thinking it would look "green" on their CV, than to do the work to get the cost of the car and the technology down. Or to convince consumers to pay the extra cost and "take one for the team" as it were.

I'm not against electrics. But I think that Fuel Cell will be the way of the future and for governments to force the market's hand like this is not appropriate.

cossie1600 · 03-11-2019, 12:33 PM

We will trade you Trump for JT, we will add Ivanka and Jared.

Nissan received state incentives to move to TN, the state incentive is nothing new. Every state tries to lure business with incentives. You should call all these big companies welfare users.

The tax credit was used to encourage sale of zero or super low emission vehicle. You are right it helped launch the product, the government did it to encourage zero to low emission vehicle. Given 8% of new cars sold in CA have a plug now, I would say the incentive did its job to encourage more sales. CA sold 2 million cars last year, I think all of Canada sold that much.

Toyota Mirai is doing great, selling about 300 copies a month. Leases are $400 per month with zero down. You can get a free hydrogen card too.

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

I think I am quite clear about the difference between a loan and a grant. I never mentioned loans. "Government handouts and incentives" was the term I used, and the Nevada deal was a doozie. Your knee-jerk response is just wanting to defend the indefensible. And you can have JT and his tom-foolery if you want him, 'cuz we don't. ;-)

The tax incentives were there as a government gift to manufacturers of EV's, who didn't therefore have to produce a competitive product. It was far easier to lobby politicians and charm them into thinking it would look "green" on their CV, than to do the work to get the cost of the car and the technology down. Or to convince consumers to pay the extra cost and "take one for the team" as it were.

I'm not against electrics. But I think that Fuel Cell will be the way of the future and for governments to force the market's hand like this is not appropriate.

ZCanadian · 03-11-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

No fixes are going to happen overnight, all we can do is minimize our output if possible.
This applies the same with natural resources, food and many other things.

on that we are in agreement.

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We will trade you Trump for JT, we will add Ivanka and Jared.

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No deal!

Zingston · 03-11-2019, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

on that we are in agreement.

No deal!

Well, that deal could be worse. I mean he could have been offering Hillary.

cossie1600 · 03-11-2019, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

on that we are in agreement.

No deal!

We add a player to be named later? Our first round draft pick mike pence? We will eat some salary too

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