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Old 01-20-2019, 11:39 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F
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Great find and good comparison, kinda flattering they included the aging 370z here lol
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:33 PM   #93 (permalink)
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Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

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Nice comparison review. I still find the new Supra overpriced. But it seems they are targeting the 40 years of age and above.

So young teens wait for 7-8 years before you get your hands on this bad boy supra.

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I simply look at it like this, it's a car pretty much aimed directly at enthusiasts, also maybe some brand loyaltists as well. But every time the car comes up in topic it is met with a "ehhhh". That right there is going to sum up the sales. It's good for BMW guys, and I've seen a few warriors that stand by the motor/ drivetrain. It's definitely a case of Toyota seeing how hard it is back in the sport car market.
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His statements on the Nismo are a little off... the car still looks sexy as subjective as that is I still get a ton of looks and people saying it looks great. If you compare my nismo to that supra it's not like a Ferrari to a mustang...

Also he says the Nismo interior is crap. I enjoy the Recaro seats better than the crappy seats in the vette or mustang... I've driven both. Even the fat recaro option in the mustang are junk.

I'm not sure who runs a 4.7 in the Nismo either. My 350z with intake and 200 pounds off did it in 4.9 with significantly less power.

I would have bought that if it had a Toyota motor and 6 speed. They talk crap about a Z but at least Nissan still make them in JAPAN and are still Japanese....

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I like it, mostly. The BMW engine concerns me reliability wise, but I'm not fond of the idea that it's auto only. Power wise, "same horsepower as the Z" is a pretty large oversight. It makes 95ft-lb more torque than the Z, and these engines from BMW tend to be seriously underrated, so it may very well make in the neighborhood of 340-360wtq and it weighs the same as the Z. That'll put a couple busses on a stock Z, nismo or not. I think it'll be a fun, quick little car that will make solid power for as long as that BMW heart holds up.

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Toyota really dropped the ball using BMW for everything but the sheet metal. What they should’ve done was take a Lexus LC500, drop a few pounds by removing all of the ultra-luxury items, change up the sheet metal a bit and called it a Supra. That car would’ve been spectacular and no one would’ve complained. Why? Because for all intents and purposes, the LC500 is more Supra than this cheapened BMW abomination.


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His statements on the Nismo are a little off... the car still looks sexy as subjective as that is I still get a ton of looks and people saying it looks great. If you compare my nismo to that supra it's not like a Ferrari to a mustang...

Agreed. The exterior styling, especially the front end are top notch. So much so that a lot of non-nismo Z owners are choosing to go with the NISMO front end over after market bumpers. His statements about this makes me question his ability to understand what is hot on the market right now with enthusiasts.
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Maybe it's just me - but why do they always look for a reason to do a comparison that includes the Z. Are we really going to compare a car that is 10years old to a car that hasn't even been released to the public yet? While I do enjoy the Z and I think it's a beautiful car - I just think it's unfair to compare it to the Corvette and the Mustang which will easily outperform it (just my opinion); throw into the comparison with the latest Z4/Supra and I just don't understand how it makes sense.

The Z is one of the last V6 NA sports cars that I can think of. Part of me used to be happy that they would still consider/add the Z to the equation bc it made me feel that even though my car is based off of 10yr old R&D - it still was able to compete. Now I just feel that while it might be able to compete - it doesn't make sense to compare it to cars that are newer and have more R&D behind it. Am I surprised that the writer came up with the Z being last - no bc if it didn't - I would be shocked with the cars that were being used to compare it. Again, this isn't to trash the Z - I just find it interesting that a lot of writers include the Z - and then sh!t all over it within their article like if the Z has been out for only a year or so.
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That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part.

If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan.
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That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part.

If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan.
"See, we still offer a 6 and manual transmission - who needs investment? People will still buy it regardless, just because there is nothing else."
I totally agree with you - if they would have pushed the car to put out a little more HP and given more torque. Maybe added Apple/Android CarPlay instead of the ‘tech’ system they have been recycling for the last 5 or so years - the Z would still be able to compete.

I wonder how people would have take it if the car and engine that was used at SEMA that was pushing 400HP is what was used for the refresh. On some level having a different engine in it would be weird but since it would include a turbo - it would make it so it would be tunable and make most of us if not all of us happy. I find very few Z owners complaining about the looks of the car even though it’s 10yrs old. But if we could get engine updates made - it would make it so they could compete with newer cars and I don’t think we would mind waiting for a new model so much. So i guess we wait and hope a concept comes out soon so we all have something to look forward to.
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I totally agree with you - if they would have pushed the car to put out a little more HP and given more torque. Maybe added Apple/Android CarPlay instead of the ‘tech’ system they have been recycling for the last 5 or so years - the Z would still be able to compete.

I wonder how people would have take it if the car and engine that was used at SEMA that was pushing 400HP is what was used for the refresh. On some level having a different engine in it would be weird but since it would include a turbo - it would make it so it would be tunable and make most of us if not all of us happy. I find very few Z owners complaining about the looks of the car even though it’s 10yrs old. But if we could get engine updates made - it would make it so they could compete with newer cars and I don’t think we would mind waiting for a new model so much. So i guess we wait and hope a concept comes out soon so we all have something to look forward to.
Agreed... On the external, Nissan should update the head and taillights though. And maybe bolden the lines on the side of the car. Maybe adding extra aero?
They could've treated the z35 like a refresh with the new engine n it would still be relevant in terms of appearance.
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