2020 Supra... first thoughts

NecioVato

I wonder what the 'market adjusted rate' will be for this car. We all know while the price says $50k - it will be much much higher - hell, you can't even get a Civic Type-R for MSRP and it's been out for 2-3yrs now.

After seeing the car on Youtube - personally if I could afford one at $50k - I probably would consider it; with the turbo - it will be able to be tuned to produce more HP and while the looks are polarizing - I think it looks pretty cool overall. The interesting thing will be - will dealers even let you test drive it - something tells me no. That the 'test drive' will be after you sign your name on the dotted line to purchase one.

I am curious to see what the tuner crowd will do with this car as well as getting some real world reviews off of youtube. This also makes me excited to see what the next Z will look like - whenever that is.

Spartan 1771

I think you're right. We wont see one of these for anywhere near $50k for a long time.

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trbo1007

When this thing hits the ground at the local dealer, I’m going to wander over for sh..ts and giggles to see how far they are going to bend the customer over to get behind the wheel.

old guy

I saw that today at Barrett Jackson they are auctioning off vin# 00001 which is a one of one in matt grey and signed by Mr. Toyota with some other exclusive stuff for charity

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UNKNOWN_370

Here's a pre comparison by cent of the major sports cars and the Supra. Z included.

https://www-cnet-com.cdn.ampproject....vrolet-ford%2F

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sunkist350z

Great find and good comparison, kinda flattering they included the aging 370z here lol

Zoren 370

Nice comparison review. I still find the new Supra overpriced. But it seems they are targeting the 40 years of age and above.

So young teens wait for 7-8 years before you get your hands on this bad boy supra.

Volk Z

His statements on the Nismo are a little off... the car still looks sexy as subjective as that is I still get a ton of looks and people saying it looks great. If you compare my nismo to that supra it's not like a Ferrari to a mustang...

Also he says the Nismo interior is crap. I enjoy the Recaro seats better than the crappy seats in the vette or mustang... I've driven both. Even the fat recaro option in the mustang are junk.

I'm not sure who runs a 4.7 in the Nismo either. My 350z with intake and 200 pounds off did it in 4.9 with significantly less power.

I would have bought that if it had a Toyota motor and 6 speed. They talk crap about a Z but at least Nissan still make them in JAPAN and are still Japanese....

If I want German I will go grab an M2

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Spartan 1771

Agreed. The exterior styling, especially the front end are top notch. So much so that a lot of non-nismo Z owners are choosing to go with the NISMO front end over after market bumpers. His statements about this makes me question his ability to understand what is hot on the market right now with enthusiasts.

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Chasingstatus

I simply look at it like this, it's a car pretty much aimed directly at enthusiasts, also maybe some brand loyaltists as well. But every time the car comes up in topic it is met with a "ehhhh". That right there is going to sum up the sales. It's good for BMW guys, and I've seen a few warriors that stand by the motor/ drivetrain. It's definitely a case of Toyota seeing how hard it is back in the sport car market.

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Whjaxn17

I like it, mostly. The BMW engine concerns me reliability wise, but I'm not fond of the idea that it's auto only. Power wise, "same horsepower as the Z" is a pretty large oversight. It makes 95ft-lb more torque than the Z, and these engines from BMW tend to be seriously underrated, so it may very well make in the neighborhood of 340-360wtq and it weighs the same as the Z. That'll put a couple busses on a stock Z, nismo or not. I think it'll be a fun, quick little car that will make solid power for as long as that BMW heart holds up.

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Cyber370

Toyota really dropped the ball using BMW for everything but the sheet metal. What they should’ve done was take a Lexus LC500, drop a few pounds by removing all of the ultra-luxury items, change up the sheet metal a bit and called it a Supra. That car would’ve been spectacular and no one would’ve complained. Why? Because for all intents and purposes, the LC500 is more Supra than this cheapened BMW abomination.


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NecioVato

Maybe it's just me - but why do they always look for a reason to do a comparison that includes the Z. Are we really going to compare a car that is 10years old to a car that hasn't even been released to the public yet? While I do enjoy the Z and I think it's a beautiful car - I just think it's unfair to compare it to the Corvette and the Mustang which will easily outperform it (just my opinion); throw into the comparison with the latest Z4/Supra and I just don't understand how it makes sense.

The Z is one of the last V6 NA sports cars that I can think of. Part of me used to be happy that they would still consider/add the Z to the equation bc it made me feel that even though my car is based off of 10yr old R&D - it still was able to compete. Now I just feel that while it might be able to compete - it doesn't make sense to compare it to cars that are newer and have more R&D behind it. Am I surprised that the writer came up with the Z being last - no bc if it didn't - I would be shocked with the cars that were being used to compare it. Again, this isn't to trash the Z - I just find it interesting that a lot of writers include the Z - and then sh!t all over it within their article like if the Z has been out for only a year or so.

ZCanadian

That the 370Z is still relevant at all for a comparison, despite being a 10 year old design and having only one real refresh early on, is the astounding part.

If Nissan had bumped power of our cars a few times and upgraded the anemic torque number, and perhaps improved interior tech, the 370Z would still be the car to beat (especially for the price). Instead, it's become a bit of a joke in the automotive world, and a cash cow for Nissan.
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NecioVato

I totally agree with you - if they would have pushed the car to put out a little more HP and given more torque. Maybe added Apple/Android CarPlay instead of the ‘tech’ system they have been recycling for the last 5 or so years - the Z would still be able to compete.

I wonder how people would have take it if the car and engine that was used at SEMA that was pushing 400HP is what was used for the refresh. On some level having a different engine in it would be weird but since it would include a turbo - it would make it so it would be tunable and make most of us if not all of us happy. I find very few Z owners complaining about the looks of the car even though it’s 10yrs old. But if we could get engine updates made - it would make it so they could compete with newer cars and I don’t think we would mind waiting for a new model so much. So i guess we wait and hope a concept comes out soon so we all have something to look forward to.