C8 mid-engine corvette. GM loves their people.

FPenvy · 10-21-2019, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

So where Corvette got their numbers from? I dont know? But this dyno says it pushed over 600hp at the crank. Over 550hp at the wheels.
Talk about UNDERRATED!!!

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...c8-power-dyno/

yea but like every other Z tuner they probably loaded the numbers lol

ZCanadian · 10-21-2019, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

So where Corvette got their numbers from? I dont know? But this dyno says it pushed over 600hp at the crank. Over 550hp at the wheels.
Talk about UNDERRATED!!!

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...c8-power-dyno/

Hmmm, Mustang Dyno - invariably quite wrong, but typically comes in low.
Interesting.

It sounds like there is a lot of guesswork in going back up the drivetrain, though.

This is not a new engine for GM. They know every inch of it, and last I checked, they've been in the car business for quite a while - long enough to know what they are doing. I'm thinking that the manufacturer wouldn't under-state the actual HP figure by that much, so doubting that the test and report are really much more than click bait. But GM won't mind the extra attention, just the same!

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-21-2019, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Hmmm, Mustang Dyno - invariably quite wrong, but typically comes in low.
Interesting.

It sounds like there is a lot of guesswork in going back up the drivetrain, though.

This is not a new engine for GM. They know every inch of it, and last I checked, they've been in the car business for quite a while - long enough to know what they are doing. I'm thinking that the manufacturer wouldn't under-state the actual HP figure by that much, so doubting that the test and report are really much more than click bait. But GM won't mind the extra attention, just the same!

We'll see? That's what they thought about the first Supra dyno. Then everyone and their grandma was pulling at least an extra 50hp. Time will tell.

Edit:

So I configured my Z51 C8... To the exact spec i would like. Its $92,800. Nearly 33,000 over MSRP. And i haven't loaded it yet. Let me see what i can do as bare bones.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-22-2019, 09:17 AM

To have the cheapest but fulfilling corvette experience, I configured at $79,285.

So if you really think about it, the Supra being $53,000 doesnt make it a comparable car to the corvette. Equally featured there is a $26,000 difference. If you buy a base corvette you make a lot of functionality and appearance sacrifices. At that point, itll be best just to buy a black car to hide you're driving a featureless vette.

The corvette and supra does not compete in a sense. They're 2 stand alone sports cars that will be hard to cross shop. You can try to compare a Z and Supra but the Supra is league's ahead of the Z in performance.
Same with a Cayman to a vette. The cayman is non existent in power to a vette at this price. At this point, the Cayman needs to change its price identity to fit between a vette and a supra or really go up in power. One or the other.

In the end, though both these cars dont compete, the both changed the game in there price ranges. Somebody needs to change the game in the 86 range. It would be nice to see a TRUE 86 killer. Nissan coulda done it with the IDX concept, but you know... Nissan.

Zezus · 10-22-2019, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

We'll see? That's what they thought about the first Supra dyno. Then everyone and their grandma was pulling at least an extra 50hp. Time will tell.

Edit:

So I configured my Z51 C8... To the exact spec i would like. Its $92,800. Nearly 33,000 over MSRP. And i haven't loaded it yet. Let me see what i can do as bare bones.

If you check off every option you can get well over 100k in no time. I want to know what the next z06 is going to run.

CRiZO · 10-22-2019, 09:41 PM

I like "slow" sports cars. It's more fun to be able to drive a car than to have to baby the car everywhere. Or, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. I think the Z balances that line pretty well.

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UNKNOWN_370 · 10-23-2019, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CRiZO

I like "slow" sports cars. It's more fun to be able to drive a car than to have to baby the car everywhere. Or, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. I think the Z balances that line pretty well.

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Wouldnt the M be better suited for MX 5 since you're already spelling out miatas?

ZCanadian · 10-23-2019, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CRiZO

I like "slow" sports cars. It's more fun to be able to drive a car than to have to baby the car everywhere. Or, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. I think the Z balances that line pretty well.

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Having seen Miatas pass Caymans on track, I completely agree with your comments.

Driving a slow car fast is an accomplishment. Learning to do that is an education. Skills that you can transfer to more powerful vehicles as your career progresses

Driving a fast car fast is inevitable, and proves nothing about the capability of the driver. In fact, horsepower can do a lot to hide driver mistakes (it can also do a lot to cause small mistakes to become big crashes as countless YouTube videos will attest).

If you can wring everything out of Miata first, then you're going to be both safe and blisteringly fast in something with greater power (even despite its extra weight). Yeah, the Corvette, or Camaro, or GTR will blast down the straight way quicker, but "straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers", and a (good, like the MX5) lightweight sports car with someone capable behind the wheel, can typically make up tons of time in the corners. So, it all depends on the track. If you spend time on the Nurburgring, forget it. My home track, OTOH, is a perfect example of one where low horsepower cars well driven can equal some much more powerful metal.

It's also more fun to go through all of the gears on the street (typical of a "slow car"), than to be limited to third or lower by speeds and traffic even on the highway. I have friends with 458's and MacLarens who cannot legally ever get above 3rd gear!

The fact that Rob Wilson has used a Vauxall Astra for years to teach more than half of the drivers on the Formula 1 grid how to go faster, is all the proof that I need to confirm this thesis!

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-23-2019, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Having seen Miatas pass Caymans on track, I completely agree with your comments.

Driving a slow car fast is an accomplishment. Learning to do that is an education. Skills that you can transfer to more powerful vehicles as your career progresses

Driving a fast car fast is inevitable, and proves nothing about the capability of the driver. In fact, horsepower can do a lot to hide driver mistakes (it can also do a lot to cause small mistakes to become big crashes as countless YouTube videos will attest).

If you can wring everything out of Miata first, then you're going to be both safe and blisteringly fast in something with greater power (even despite its extra weight). Yeah, the Corvette, or Camaro, or GTR will blast down the straight way quicker, but "straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers", and a (good, like the MX5) lightweight sports car with someone capable behind the wheel, can typically make up tons of time in the corners. So, it all depends on the track. If you spend time on the Nurburgring, forget it. My home track, OTOH, is a perfect example of one where low horsepower cars well driven can equal some much more powerful metal.

It's also more fun to go through all of the gears on the street (typical of a "slow car"), than to be limited to third or lower by speeds and traffic even on the highway. I have friends with 458's and MacLarens who cannot legally ever get above 3rd gear!

The fact that Rob Williams has used a Vauxall Astra for years to teach more than half of the drivers on the Formula 1 grid how to go faster, is all the proof that I need to confirm this thesis!

Real drivers can make anything turn a corner hard and fast. Most people dont like the camaro cuz though it has high g's, its limited view and ultra wide body hamper your confidence.
In my case, when I felt I was dealing with a superior platform. I decided to overcome my own perceived limitations and master its size. Driving my little Z had no real effort for me to drive it hard. I fixed that with the suspension setup and my skills took over.

My camaro, it took two flat tires replacing my right front rim and cracking my underbody shield to confidently hit corners and realize where my right front end was in really tight angles where a car that size shouldnt be.

But since I can feel that suspension is so great I can make that car do little car acrobatics. I learned my cars geometry with hard lessons on a complex track n dead roads But I'm rewarded for it.

The game, is the game. Pick the tool thats best FOR YOU you need to play it. Being the best is just pushing yourself to be that and making the adjustments you have to take to make yourself a better driver! If miata's make you feel like you will be a better driver? Do it!!
But theres more than one way to skin a cat.
Ricky Bobby did it with a cougar in his backseat.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-23-2019, 07:03 PM

https://www.motor1.com/news/378121/2...est-exclusive/

Analysis as to why MT's dyno is wrong .
Makes sense... but I do know the current gen engines are underrated by about 24hp on average. So I wouldnt be surprised if the vette has more power, though these numbers seem high.

Edit: I am inaccurate a little.

The automatics underrated average is about 16hp, the manuals are higher to about 24hp.

FL 4Motion · 10-24-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Real drivers can make anything turn a corner hard and fast. Most people dont like the camaro cuz though it has high g's, its limited view and ultra wide body hamper your confidence.
In my case, when I felt I was dealing with a superior platform. I decided to overcome my own perceived limitations and master its size. Driving my little Z had no real effort for me to drive it hard. I fixed that with the suspension setup and my skills took over.

My camaro, it took two flat tires replacing my right front rim and cracking my underbody shield to confidently hit corners and realize where my right front end was in really tight angles where a car that size shouldnt be.

But since I can feel that suspension is so great I can make that car do little car acrobatics. I learned my cars geometry with hard lessons on a complex track n dead roads But I'm rewarded for it.

The game, is the game. Pick the tool thats best FOR YOU you need to play it. Being the best is just pushing yourself to be that and making the adjustments you have to take to make yourself a better driver! If miata's make you feel like you will be a better driver? Do it!!
But theres more than one way to skin a cat.
Ricky Bobby did it with a cougar in his backseat.

It’s not about a Miata making you feel like a better driver, it’s that getting professional instruction in a low hp front engine rwd mt car WILL make you a better driver bc you will improve car control, have more time to understand and correct inputs and learn how to drive smooth and carry speed thru the corners. You’ll also learn how to brake which is equally important.

Spend a couple years, (yes, I said years), doing hpde regularly and then come back and revisit this post, I guarantee you’ll have changed your mind.

ZCanadian · 10-24-2019, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

It’s not about a Miata making you feel like a better driver, it’s that getting professional instruction in a low hp front engine rwd mt car WILL make you a better driver bc you will improve car control, have more time to understand and correct inputs and learn how to drive smooth and carry speed thru the corners. You’ll also learn how to brake which is equally important.

Spend a couple years, (yes, I said years), doing hpde regularly and then come back and revisit this post, I guarantee you’ll have changed your mind.

100% this.

Even after several years of HPDE days and ride-alongs on the track with experienced drivers, I am truly only just realizing how much I still have to to learn about driving fast. And I've had my license for many, many decades.

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-30-2019, 08:38 PM

Z06 possibly being tested!!! Looks as if it may be a hybrid?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rvette-hybrid/

Hotrodz · 10-30-2019, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Z06 possibly being tested!!! Looks as if it may be a hybrid?

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rvette-hybrid/

A real test mule! Love it!!!

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UNKNOWN_370 · 10-31-2019, 03:13 PM

This is a bit closer to the review I was expecting from Matt Farrah. Considering how precise the c8 looked on track and how fast he breezed thru complex chicane's and apexes... I felt like he was expecting a Ferrari for $80k. This review by Automobile is closer to what we saw in the video.

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...-photos-specs/

10-22-2019, 09:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	To have the cheapest but fulfilling corvette experience, I configured at $79,285. So if you really think about it, the Supra being $53,000 doesnt make it a comparable car to the corvette. Equally featured there is a $26,000 difference. If you buy a base corvette you make a lot of functionality and appearance sacrifices. At that point, itll be best just to buy a black car to hide you're driving a featureless vette. The corvette and supra does not compete in a sense. They're 2 stand alone sports cars that will be hard to cross shop. You can try to compare a Z and Supra but the Supra is league's ahead of the Z in performance. Same with a Cayman to a vette. The cayman is non existent in power to a vette at this price. At this point, the Cayman needs to change its price identity to fit between a vette and a supra or really go up in power. One or the other. In the end, though both these cars dont compete, the both changed the game in there price ranges. Somebody needs to change the game in the 86 range. It would be nice to see a TRUE 86 killer. Nissan coulda done it with the IDX concept, but you know... Nissan. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 10-22-2019 at 09:21 AM.

10-23-2019, 07:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	https://www.motor1.com/news/378121/2...est-exclusive/ Analysis as to why MT's dyno is wrong . Makes sense... but I do know the current gen engines are underrated by about 24hp on average. So I wouldnt be surprised if the vette has more power, though these numbers seem high. Edit: I am inaccurate a little. The automatics underrated average is about 16hp, the manuals are higher to about 24hp. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 10-23-2019 at 07:32 PM.

10-30-2019, 08:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Z06 possibly being tested!!! Looks as if it may be a hybrid? https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...rvette-hybrid/ __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

10-31-2019, 03:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	This is a bit closer to the review I was expecting from Matt Farrah. Considering how precise the c8 looked on track and how fast he breezed thru complex chicane's and apexes... I felt like he was expecting a Ferrari for $80k. This review by Automobile is closer to what we saw in the video. https://www.automobilemag.com/news/2...-photos-specs/ __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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CRiZO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 672 Drives: in traffic Rep Power: 20699	I like "slow" sports cars. It's more fun to be able to drive a car than to have to baby the car everywhere. Or, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. I think the Z balances that line pretty well. M iata I s A lways T he A nswer