C8 mid-engine corvette. GM loves their people.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-22-2019, 05:26 PM

Z MODE & MY MODE EXPLAINED.

https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...r-explained%2F

I have so much customization in my camaro. It's amazing I can go from super beastly crazy bucking bronco. To civil luxury soft driving. MRC is something amazing. Sounds like it only gets better in the C8.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-22-2019, 05:43 PM

I thought this might come in handy if you want to buy a new corvette or any out the box vehicle.

https://youtu.be/QeTcAa2iFts

Ventruck · 07-22-2019, 11:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhPlBlc-MQ

He's guessing on the prices, but he seems confident the Z51 wouldn't be an insane jump.

Goal would be a 1LT Z51. If it still allows Android Auto, it bridges that gap. Really would want a 2LT because of the cameras, though.

And the lift doesn't sound like it will come standard. In GM's video they say it's "available".

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-23-2019, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhPlBlc-MQ

He's guessing on the prices, but he seems confident the Z51 wouldn't be an insane jump.

Goal would be a 1LT Z51. If it still allows Android Auto, it bridges that gap. Really would want a 2LT because of the cameras, though.

And the lift doesn't sound like it will come standard. In GM's video they say it's "available".

Z51 on the C7 was like 5k? I think it just upgrades you to MRC?

Here's a ford guy talking about abandoning ship on the GT500 temporarily to get a C8. I say good!!!!! Cuz Ford is horrible with mark ups. I hope the GT500 doesn't sell at all so that way the markup disappears n then it starts selling. Markups should be a crime.

https://youtu.be/-u-zQzh_ATA

Same with Supra. They better abandon the markup ship!!

Speaking of which. I think the camaro rumor is a lie. I think they said that to get as many people as possible to get into a vette. Influencing SS guys to upgrade.

Ventruck · 07-23-2019, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Z51 on the C7 was like 5k? I think it just upgrades you to MRC?

Z51 is as big of a necessity as a Sport package on the Z.

dry sump lubrication, added coolers, e-diff, MRC, bigger brakes, exterior kit. On the C7 it actually made the rear vents functional too.

I see Z51 as the true baseline, and without as a way to accommodate budget buyers.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-24-2019, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Z51 is as big of a necessity as a Sport package on the Z.

dry sump lubrication, added coolers, e-diff, MRC, bigger brakes, exterior kit. On the C7 it actually made the rear vents functional too.

I see Z51 as the true baseline, and without as a way to accommodate budget buyers.

Non MRC still pulled 1.01g on the skid

Z51 pulled 1.1g and grand sport 1.2g

The skid numbers are exactly the same for Camaro SS models which is ridiculously insane chevy treated the camaro so well with the SS The SS MRC and SS 1LE.

Those numbers are so good. Even the bargain basement vette is a top handler. You really cant go wrong. But as an enthusiast. I think the grand sport or its equivalent is the perfect C7 or possibly C8.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-24-2019, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

Z51 is as big of a necessity as a Sport package on the Z.

dry sump lubrication, added coolers, e-diff, MRC, bigger brakes, exterior kit. On the C7 it actually made the rear vents functional too.

I see Z51 as the true baseline, and without as a way to accommodate budget buyers.

You're right but as an enthusiast myself? If it ain't a grand sport or better. Not worth it. GS puts that MRC to use with a real suspension kit that's even more stable on track. Wider tires improved aero the recorder standard dual mode exhaust etc...

So I guess we all have our standards.

As far as the vette and tuning...

2016 was the only tunable camaro. Now look. Every camaro year has like 4 tune options. So many companies lock out their ECU then a year later. The tune is out.

abm89 · 07-24-2019, 09:26 AM

I just want to warn against using skid-pad numbers as a reference for how good a car handles. Just because it can pull over 1G doesn't mean it's well balanced.

Carry on.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-24-2019, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abm89

I just want to warn against using skid-pad numbers as a reference for how good a car handles. Just because it can pull over 1G doesn't mean it's well balanced.

Carry on.

Well my Z was wayyyy more front heavy than my camaro by a lot. I corner harder faster flatter and more precisely than my Z though I'm in a bigger car. This is real world, not theoretical experience. But anyway... These numbers that people like then dont like at their convenience is typically how we measure sports car capability. Regardless of real world feel. Anyway...

ZCanadian · 07-24-2019, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Well my Z was wayyyy more front heavy than my camaro by a lot. I corner harder faster flatter and more precisely than my Z though I'm in a bigger car. This is real world, not theoretical experience. But anyway... These numbers that people like then dont like at their convenience is typically how we measure sports car capability. Regardless of real world feel. Anyway...

"Feel" is the only way that one experiences a sports car ride, so it is a fair way of comparing cars for yourself. But it's subjective as hell. AKA "butt dyno" - which very seldom reflects reality.

However, real numbers are the only real way to do a fair and objective comparison. Lap times, weights and weight distribution, 0-60 times, braking distances, dyno results, G-forces (as long as we're comparing nearly identical circumstances, right down to the driver, surface, fuel, weather, tires, and identical dyno machine, between cars in stock-to-stock form). And as long as we understand that simple changes such as tires or even tire pressures might make a huge difference to results.

abm89 · 07-24-2019, 12:01 PM

It think the point was missed with my comment; a car's "handling" can still be measured by numbers, but not just one measurement. Overall handling balance involves steering response, understeer/oversteer characteristics, how quickly it transitions from understeer to oversteer, and how it negotiates different types of cornering situations. It is why MotorTrend started doing the figure-8 testing (even though it is not comprehensive).

So, comparing cornering capabilities only based on a car's peak lateral-G load is erroneous.

ZCanadian · 07-24-2019, 05:20 PM

If maths are your thing, here's some of the fact behind the magic of the acceleration times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SH4c-oLUQ

NeverBoneStck · 07-24-2019, 07:11 PM

Looks amazing. Problem is that it cannot be tuned by another companies software. GM has a lock out feature and if that is true that really sucks.. This might give you a idea

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...edly-untunable

Ventruck · 07-24-2019, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck

Looks amazing. Problem is that it cannot be tuned by another companies software. GM has a lock out feature and if that is true that really sucks..

They said that about the C7, and of course the GT-R.

That's just like an open invitation/challenge for someone to figure it out.

Odds are, they will pass mules to Callaway and Lingenfelter, as well as the secret tunnel maps of Area 51.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-24-2019, 07:14 PM

https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...ransmission%2F

If you're hoping a manual will come? They bluntly said... "NO". This may give Supra a chance if they bring the m azz nual to the car. Otherwise? I think it's the C8 for the win. If this car doesn't sell like hot cakes? The enthusiast market is truly dead. The vette is the holy grail of affordable cars. I'm sure other manufacturers that had plans of putting out a car are asking... " how do we top that?"

07-22-2019, 05:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	Z MODE & MY MODE EXPLAINED. https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...r-explained%2F I have so much customization in my camaro. It's amazing I can go from super beastly crazy bucking bronco. To civil luxury soft driving. MRC is something amazing. Sounds like it only gets better in the C8. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 07-22-2019 at 05:28 PM.

07-22-2019, 05:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	I thought this might come in handy if you want to buy a new corvette or any out the box vehicle. https://youtu.be/QeTcAa2iFts __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

07-24-2019, 09:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,390 Drives: 11 370Z, 2x Kawasaki Rep Power: 64765	I just want to warn against using skid-pad numbers as a reference for how good a car handles. Just because it can pull over 1G doesn't mean it's well balanced. Carry on. __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

07-24-2019, 12:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
abm89 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 1,390 Drives: 11 370Z, 2x Kawasaki Rep Power: 64765	It think the point was missed with my comment; a car's "handling" can still be measured by numbers, but not just one measurement. Overall handling balance involves steering response, understeer/oversteer characteristics, how quickly it transitions from understeer to oversteer, and how it negotiates different types of cornering situations. It is why MotorTrend started doing the figure-8 testing (even though it is not comprehensive). So, comparing cornering capabilities only based on a car's peak lateral-G load is erroneous. ZCanadian likes this. __________________ Complete Parts List: https://github.com/abm89/ztouge-build

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ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,061 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 60275	If maths are your thing, here's some of the fact behind the magic of the acceleration times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_SH4c-oLUQ UNKNOWN_370 likes this. Last edited by ZCanadian; 07-24-2019 at 06:07 PM.

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Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 785 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22899	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhPlBlc-MQ He's guessing on the prices, but he seems confident the Z51 wouldn't be an insane jump. Goal would be a 1LT Z51. If it still allows Android Auto, it bridges that gap. Really would want a 2LT because of the cameras, though. And the lift doesn't sound like it will come standard. In GM's video they say it's "available".

07-24-2019, 07:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
NeverBoneStck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Beaverton, Or Posts: 1,110 Drives: 2008 G37 S Rep Power: 19	Looks amazing. Problem is that it cannot be tuned by another companies software. GM has a lock out feature and if that is true that really sucks.. This might give you a idea https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...edly-untunable __________________ Juiced! That is all you need to know !! Last edited by NeverBoneStck; 07-25-2019 at 01:52 AM.

07-24-2019, 07:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14859	https://www-autoblog-com.cdn.ampproj...ransmission%2F If you're hoping a manual will come? They bluntly said... "NO". This may give Supra a chance if they bring the m azz nual to the car. Otherwise? I think it's the C8 for the win. If this car doesn't sell like hot cakes? The enthusiast market is truly dead. The vette is the holy grail of affordable cars. I'm sure other manufacturers that had plans of putting out a car are asking... " how do we top that?" Rusty and YYZ like this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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