2014 Zs are up online

synolimit · 07-28-2013, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

i don't see what Nissan did wrong. If they listed a product for x amount of dollars, and you agree to buy it, how is it Nissan's fault?

Before commenting pointlessly like everyone else has today, mind reading last few pages so we don't keep repeating ourselves over and over?

victort · 07-28-2013, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Before commenting pointlessly like everyone else has today, mind reading last few pages so we don't keep repeating ourselves over and over?

only repeating it because it's not getting through

DEpointfive0 · 07-28-2013, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

i don't see what Nissan did wrong. If they listed a product for x amount of dollars, and you agree to buy it, how is it Nissan's fault?

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Before commenting pointlessly like everyone else has today, mind reading last few pages so we don't keep repeating ourselves over and over?

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Originally Posted by victort

only repeating it because it's not getting through

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

After reading the 11 pages it looks like Minsu is the only '13 owner who doesn't mind overpaying, and anyone else who is critical doesn't own a '13 and didn't get a fisting.

I side with the '13 owners who are pissed, ESPECIALLY after Corporate refunded $3k on the remaining stock.
That means Nissan should refund $3k to those who recently bought '13s, when that cut off is, I don't know...

Guys, back it up. If I bought a $10000 Sony 4k TV, and it went on sale for $8000 28 days later, you bet your ass I'm taking it back, and saying, yeah I want the sale price, and the store WILL give you the difference, even thought you used and set up that TV.

Hell I bought a set of Michelins from Costco, 3 weeks later they were $75 off a set of 4, came back, asked if I can get the difference, at first the person said no, then I said, great, I'd like to return a set of Michelins, they carry a 30 day no questions asked return policy, that guy called the manager, and the manager didn't even question it, he's like yeah, you got screwed, we should've told you, here's $75+tax CASH!

That's customer service right there. And THAT'S the way it SHOULD be

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

It's the principle of you got fucked out of $4000, (btw, my bind doesn't have to do with me recently buying a car)
I think my analogy of the TV is valid, and I'm wondering where you'd stand on that, or is this $4000 loss ok because cars don't have a traditional return policy?
And if dealers are getting a refund, why aren't you? THAT doesn't piss you off?

Why doesn't anyone agree with my method of thinking. I think it's 100% valid

Btw, those of us with older cars, you're missing the picture, our cars have been devalued too.
(Example) I could say, buy my 2009, it's $28k because its touring/sport/nav, a new one is $46k, now... Oh... A new one is $42.5k now... That's a loss of $3.5k of "value" you lost, or could use to justify a higher price (or less devaluation)
(Yes I know it was like $43k in 2009) but the advantage of a car going up in price is that it helps keep the resale value up.

Leuz · 07-28-2013, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by victort

i don't see what Nissan did wrong. If they listed a product for x amount of dollars, and you agree to buy it, how is it Nissan's fault?

Nissan did a great move actually for themselves, what bothers people here (me included) is that now our 2013's have a drop in value not due to mileage or age, just due to a business maneuver. Plus for most people here, when they make a personal effort to buy the car that they want it is true that they sign a contract to pay the price they consider "good". But, when two months after that car gets renamed 2014 and a huge price drop... they feel like they've trashed 3k right there as there is really no difference between a 13 and a 14, except the date of purchase. You can't stop people from being pissed about it and expressing their feelings on a public forum. As per the refund, we all know it's not going to happen but, as far as I'm concerned, I would like to see Nissan apologize or, better, publicly justify their move, especially to their american customers that keep the 370z market in a pretty good shape, compared to other countries where much less people can afford (buy + taxes) a car like this.

DEpointfive0 · 07-28-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leuz

Nissan did a great move actually for themselves, what bothers people here (me included) is that now our 2013's have a drop in value not due to mileage or age, just due to a business maneuver. Plus for most people here, when they make a personal effort to buy the car that they want it is true that they sign a contract to pay the price they consider "good". But, when two months after that car gets renamed 2014 and a huge price drop... they feel like they've trashed 3k right there as there is really no difference between a 13 and a 14, except the date of purchase. You can't stop people from being pissed about it and expressing their feelings on a public forum. As per the refund, we all know it's not going to happen but, as far as I'm concerned, I would like to see Nissan apologize or, better, publicly justify their move, especially to their american customers that keep the 370z market in a pretty good shape, compared to other countries where much less people can afford (buy + taxes) a car like this.

AND to look at this another way... There is a 2-3k price difference between years when it comes to reselling, that means you got jacked on top of getting jacked...

AND, if the dealers are getting $3,000 back on every 2013 on the lot how come the customers aren't???

alvitdk · 07-29-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

AND to look at this another way... There is a 2-3k price difference between years when it comes to reselling, that means you got jacked on top of getting jacked...

AND, if the dealers are getting $3,000 back on every 2013 on the lot how come the customers aren't???

That's not the way I understand. It is the customers choice to purchase a 13 or 14 model year if the dealer does not drop the price. But they did not get a refund on already sold 2013 cars.

There has to be a price adjustment cut off date, it's in every industry and if it is exchange rate related, you don't adjust on a ongoing basis. In our company we evaluate our products on a 6 month basis and sometimes in between if the economical situation calls for it. We than set a date, usually a quarter to adjust the price, and yes it can go up and down. Agreed, usually it goes up due to material and payroll increases, but either way, how else would you do it. If you increase the price you upset people who are just in the process of placing an order but came a week too late, if you lower it, you piss everyone off who purchased a week too soon.

Just keep your car for the next 5 Years and the difference will be a couple of hundreds, if at all on resale value, and smile every time you push the pedal to the metal. :-)

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synolimit · 07-29-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by alvitdk

That's not the way I understand. It is the customers choice to purchase a 13 or 14 model year if the dealer does not drop the price. But they did not get a refund on already sold 2013 cars.

There has to be a price adjustment cut off date, it's in every industry and if it is exchange rate related, you don't adjust on a ongoing basis. In our company we evaluate our products on a 6 month basis and sometimes in between if the economical situation calls for it. We than set a date, usually a quarter to adjust the price, and yes it can go up and down. Agreed, usually it goes up due to material and payroll increases, but either way, how else would you do it. If you increase the price you upset people who are just in the process of placing an order but came a week too late, if you lower it, you piss everyone off who purchased a week too soon.

Just keep your car for the next 5 Years and the difference will be a couple of hundreds, if at all on resale value, and smile every time you push the pedal to the medal. :-)

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I can't keep my car! That's the problem. Nissan wants $21,000 for it in August 2016. A 2014 370z in October 2016 will be worth $18,000. I cannot keep my car because I don't feel like getting fisted in my ***. You're crazy if you think it will be a couple hundred in 5 years.

synolimit · 07-29-2013, 12:56 AM

Lets go ahead and watch this. Today a 09 sport brings 24k. When the 14's are out and in a few months I bet these prices crash! Hope everyone here likes your car because you won't be selling it anytime soon! That is unless you like a fisting.

If someone bought a 13 at msrp vs a 14 at msrp in 4 years like you 09 guys you'll be out $4362. That's $90.87 a month. If everyone's ok with what nissan did then please, my paypals my screen name and since that money means nothing to you please send $90.87 a month for the next 48 months. Thank you

peleincubus · 07-29-2013, 01:30 AM

Has anyone brought up this point??

Say you purchased a 2013, and you talked them down $3000 down from msrp. And now a equally equipped 2014 you are only able to negotiate it down $2000 from msrp. Then are they really dropping the car the amount everyone here is saying and what they are advertising (trying to drum up sales)

So to sum up what I am saying isn't the truly important number actually the invoice the 370z is?? Unless people here assume that the spread from invoice to msrp will be exactly the same in the '13 model to '14 model.

My guess is it will be at least $700-$800 closer and you will not be able to talk a dealer down as much as last year.

alvitdk · 07-29-2013, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

I can't keep my car! That's the problem. Nissan wants $21,000 for it in August 2016. A 2014 370z in October 2016 will be worth $18,000. I cannot keep my car because I don't feel like getting fisted in my ***. You're crazy if you think it will be a couple hundred in 5 years.

How do you know 2014 will be worth 18,000.-,cars loose value by percentage an not by $ each year. Also did you pay full MSRP when you bought it?

shadoquad · 07-29-2013, 04:26 AM

I like that the price was dropped. Imo, it's more in line with what the car is worth.

Infidel · 07-29-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by victort

i don't see what Nissan did wrong. If they listed a product for x amount of dollars, and you agree to buy it, how is it Nissan's fault?

Wow....look at Vic here spouting sh*t when he doesn't even have horses in the race.

Infidel · 07-29-2013, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by peleincubus

Has anyone brought up this point??

Say you purchased a 2013, and you talked them down $3000 down from msrp. And now a equally equipped 2014 you are only able to negotiate it down $2000 from msrp. Then are they really dropping the car the amount everyone here is saying and what they are advertising (trying to drum up sales)

So to sum up what I am saying isn't the truly important number actually the invoice the 370z is?? Unless people here assume that the spread from invoice to msrp will be exactly the same in the '13 model to '14 model.

My guess is it will be at least $700-$800 closer and you will not be able to talk a dealer down as much as last year.

Good guess einstein...that's the way it is when the new models first come out.

Infidel · 07-29-2013, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by alvitdk

How do you know 2014 will be worth 18,000.-,cars loose value by percentage an not by $ each year. Also did you pay full MSRP when you bought it?

Not according to Nissan. Who the hell pays MSRP anyways...stop bringing up strawman arguments.

bacalhau1669 · 07-29-2013, 07:55 AM

This is equivalent to them coming out with a few model Z. Cars depreciate when a new model comes out I bought my 2013 knowing that they were not redesigning the Z, otherwise I would've waited. But now , basically they have. I like that someone posted the current value in a 2009, because this absolutely effects all Z owners.

Its great they lowered the price. And yes it is more in line with its actual value I suppose But meanwhile, it F***ed all of us. Thanks.

07-29-2013, 12:56 AM	#218 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3388	Lets go ahead and watch this. Today a 09 sport brings 24k. When the 14's are out and in a few months I bet these prices crash! Hope everyone here likes your car because you won't be selling it anytime soon! That is unless you like a fisting. If someone bought a 13 at msrp vs a 14 at msrp in 4 years like you 09 guys you'll be out $4362. That's $90.87 a month. If everyone's ok with what nissan did then please, my paypals my screen name and since that money means nothing to you please send $90.87 a month for the next 48 months. Thank you Infidel likes this. __________________ 13 370z- Last edited by synolimit; 07-29-2013 at 01:01 AM.

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07-29-2013, 01:30 AM	#219 (permalink)
peleincubus Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Austin, tx Posts: 255 Drives: PW 14' 370Z Rep Power: 13	Has anyone brought up this point?? Say you purchased a 2013, and you talked them down $3000 down from msrp. And now a equally equipped 2014 you are only able to negotiate it down $2000 from msrp. Then are they really dropping the car the amount everyone here is saying and what they are advertising (trying to drum up sales) So to sum up what I am saying isn't the truly important number actually the invoice the 370z is?? Unless people here assume that the spread from invoice to msrp will be exactly the same in the '13 model to '14 model. My guess is it will be at least $700-$800 closer and you will not be able to talk a dealer down as much as last year.

07-29-2013, 04:26 AM	#221 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3885	I like that the price was dropped. Imo, it's more in line with what the car is worth.

07-29-2013, 07:55 AM	#225 (permalink)
bacalhau1669 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: palm coast Posts: 86 Drives: 2013 Base Sport Rep Power: 11	This is equivalent to them coming out with a few model Z. Cars depreciate when a new model comes out I bought my 2013 knowing that they were not redesigning the Z, otherwise I would've waited. But now , basically they have. I like that someone posted the current value in a 2009, because this absolutely effects all Z owners. Its great they lowered the price. And yes it is more in line with its actual value I suppose But meanwhile, it F***ed all of us. Thanks.