Vert or Hor?

Doesn't matter. If the string goes vert or hor. When the barrel gets warm. Which way does the string go? Up or down? Left or right? Or a combination? And does it repeat? After cooling and starting again.

Gotcha. It was 2" down. We'll see again soon.

Triggers in my M&P's have been great. APEX is "meh". I tried a full APEX setup ($200+!) and it felt much worse to me. The owner of the APEX M&P was mad as hell, too, considering my box-stock M&P9 was noticeably nicer. He was running around having everyone who's department issued M&P's look at mine and demanded I strip it down to prove it was OEM, lol

Just a quick review of mine on the Aimpoint T2 paired with the G33 magnifier.

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I have so far had 3 other people look through my T2 and G33 combo. Everyone wonders...is the t2 really a crisp dot or not? 1 person said it was like 2 dots on top of each other. Myself and the other 2 see a crisp dot. Defined edges. To be fair to the guy who didn't see this...he did not adjust the diopter. It may well have been an issue of diopter. But to me once it's dialed in, I saw a very crisp dot!
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So how does it do in the real world? Well, I stuck to 50 yards because that is the limit at which with my vision I can shoot the same groups roughly magnified or unmagnified. My first test was for POI shift from unmagnified (group on the left) to magnified (group on the right). I used RA556B for this test. 5 show groups.
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Next was my question of...does the dot have to be centered in the g33? What if the adjustment knobs get messed with after I zero? So I fired 3 rounds with the dot centered. 3 rounds with the magnifier adjusted so that the dot was in the extreme bottom left and 3/4 of the sigh picture was shadowed. Then did the same with the dot in the upper right. 9 shots total at 50 yards. I used mk262 IMI. Please excuse my flier. I am not Molon, and this is a chrome lined .gov 16" barrel.
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As you can see...poi shift seems nonexistent. I am very pleased with the added capabilities that the g33 brings to the t2. Total weight with mounts is roughly 17oz.

Oh...and here is my Internet commando group of the day. 3 shots ra556b unmagnified at 50y. Ignore the one flier...:P
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Quirks...

When magnified in the right light you can see the diode housing faintly around the dot if you dial illumination a couple settings higher than necessary. It's a quirk but a non issue.

The bobro absolute cw spacer is too low for the g33 without riser. The lower 1/3 bobro is perfect as pictured.

Having a suppressed m4 on a public range gets me more attention that driving a c6 z06 did. If you want to be popular...

The magnifier didn't much improve my groups if any at 50, but it was very useful for making those shots easily. I had to work without it.

I think the adjustable diopter is mandatory for a clear dot. This made the g33 my choice over the Aimpoint model.

"Bloom" around the dot is much more noticeable with the G33 in place. Dot intensity matters more than unmagnified but it won't hurt ability to engage. It just isn't picture perfect. There is some halo/Starburst around the still crisp and defined dot. This is evident only to me at night, or in very overcast weather. It will not interfere with shot placement or PID, but it's something to be aware of. This is not an etched reticle, it's still a "ball of light".

It looks like at 50 yards with a rds my ddm4 is a 1 moa gun with mk262 and a 2 moa gun with ra556b. Not shabby!

*All shots off a concrete bench using the magazine as a monopod. DDM4 built by Daniel Defense, 16.1" CHF Chrome lined barrel, with Surefire 556-212 suppressor in place, using 212a muzzle device. Geissele SSA trigger. Target squares are true 1".

Stretching things out to 100 yards, the G33 REALLY helped the process.
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Took this out to 1200m today! What a blast!

Might be a nice shootin' rifle. But not a fan of twisted fluted barrels. :( Sorry.

Is your point of impact different with/without the muffler?

Different people see the dots on red-dot-sights differently. Some people see a lot of distortion, fuzziness, comma-shape, etc in the dot no matter the magnification or brightness and that variability between people is usually due to amount of astigmatism that their eye's cornea imposes. Some people have so much astigmatism that red-dot-sights simply aren't useable for them, in which case they're better off with a second-focal-plane zoom/magnified optic.

Astigmatism is usually well-corrected with accurately ground prescription lenses. Hint: your 1-hour budget lens grinder at your local mall is usually not the best place to get accurately-ground corrective lenses.

I have a G33 magnifier and a G23 magnifier mounted behind various optics, including my 4 MOA T-1, various Eotechs, and a couple of 2 MOA Aimpoint PROs. The magnifiers work great for me. I flip them down for any shooting 25 yards and farther. The G33 is definitely a significant improvement over the G23.

I can second that experience. :shakes head:

My t2 dot is very crisp magnified. My t1 dot was a diagonal slash. Unmagnified they were the same. T2 works very well magnified. T1 not so much.

On this rifle I got about a 2moa shift with the suppressor.

High with the muffler? With everything being the same.The suppressor usually increases bullet velocity. Which makes the bullet fly flatter.

It's not always high, I don't own a can that doesn't shift a gun a little.


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Everyone I know that has a muffler, including me. All shoot high because of the increase in velocity. Usually about 150fps. Have heard of a few that the point of impact shifted left or right also.

One of my cans shoots a touch higher than the other. I believe it's straight down, though, as a whole, with this can on this gun.

What you're talking about is "freebore", and it's typically less than the variance from shot to shot in velocity increase, and some suppressors don't have any appreciable freebore effect. At the extreme edge you're looking at about a 20fps increase or so on rifles, maybe 30-50 with a pistol.

No, the POI shift has to do with changing the barrel's harmonics, and there is no written rule.

I have never seen that documented. Every single documented comparison shows VERY MINIMAL freebore boost, as I said in my other post.

I would challenge you to show this to me, this 150fps increase. As a datapoint, all of the rifles I've suppressed shoot low with the can, to varying degrees. Again though, it's just harmonic variance. YMMV of course. The 150fps increase though, is many times what I've seen proven.

Here is one example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwnG1dz0Du0

Harmonics plays a part of it too. Just never say it in the post. Sorry. Since you mentioned it. I'm going to have to check out my buddy's chrono that we used against another one just to see the difference between the two.

Out of 14 of us that have mufflers. 11 shoot high. One shoots to the left some, and the other 2, who knows.

On a side note, my Surefire SOCOM Mini has become my favorite can. You wouldn't think 1" and 1.5oz difference between it, and my regular SF cans would make a difference, but it feels like night and day out there on the end of the muzzle.

I don't have a rifle (yet), but I do daily carry.

I have the same can for my .300 blackout SBR. It's nice for sure!

I have the 762 SOCOM RC, and a 762 SOCOM Mini. To be honest, and brutal, I am not impressed with how they perform using subsonics in my 10.3" 300BLK. I am somewhat connected to Surefire, and I LOVE their stuff, get a few free things to T&E from them from time to time, etc. so I really hesitate to say anything negative, but the 762RC and 762 Mini really are in their element with supersonic projectiles much moreso than subs. Surefire's new 300 can, though, is amazing from what I hear, on pretty much everything. However, everything sounds sexy on cell-phone YouTube vids!!!

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Truth be told, I've kindof dumped the 300BLK idea. If someone gave me a fair price for my 10.3" DDM4 upper, I'd possibly sell it and just buy a 14.5" 5.56 upper to drop on there. The whole SBR thing has kindof worn off for me. The more I train, the more I realize they are just a bunch of negatives with no real positives, even working in and around vehicles.

I guess it kind of depends on what you are going to use the 300 w/can for. I've got an AR platform rifle in 6.8 SPC with a spare 300 upper. The thought was to use the 300 with subsonics and can for under 100 yards, 6.8 for 100 to about 400 yards, anything over that to switch to the AR in 308. That's just my thought process.

I think an SBR shines in the urban environment of narrow halls and doors. I think it's easier to maneuver and less likely to get banged against doors and walls. Just my :twocents:

On a side note... what would you consider a fair price? ;)

I've been looking at something capable of deep concealed. I have an S&W 9mm shield with modified trigger I carry. But I'm an active person, my clothes are mostly fitted style and I'm constantly on the go. So it gets uncomfortable to carry in an IWV holster all the time, and to be honest it mostly lives in my glove box!!! I just want something to put in my pocket. I've been back and forth on this for weeks?

anyone have any opinions on the S&W bodyguard?

I'm not opposed to spending more cash on a nicer 380. But, being I have the Shield already and am used to the manual safety, I'm thinking it might be beneficial not change my draw process? Or am I over thinking this thing?

the others on the top of my list were
1. Kahr p380
2. Sig p250

maybe some others I should consider?

AMT Backup in 380 is a good choice for a 'pocket pistol'. There is a holster made that is a wallet style that the pistol goes in and it can be fired from inside the holster. I carried one for years, it's light, unobtrusive and holds 6 rounds. I switched to a Combat Commander in .45 for a period of time, before going to the P229 in .357 SIG. If you know someone that has an AMT that they wouldn't mind letting you wear test for a bit, that is a way to go. I think I saw them on GunBroker for about $250. There are two versions, one is DAO and has a huge trigger guard, the other is SA and has a smaller guard. I carried the SA one, round chambered, safety on (Condition 1).

Good news. :D Those who are looking for TAC gun powder. Midway just got some in. I've had it on backorder since last May of last year. :shakes head:

Hmmm...whatever someone convinced me to break up a factory MK18 300BLK for, lol

That said, I like a 14.5" 5.56 for pretty much everything. I can and have used a 16" gun in vehicles without a problem in the world.

Something to think about, but my 16" M4 with a full-size suppressor is still shorter than by Benelli M4 shotgun. Yeah...food for thought for all the "Gotta SBR it for indoors!" crowd.

At some point, you have to ask yourself..."Am I carrying a gun just to carry a gun, or is this something I can effectively fight with, and won't end up drawing only to wish and lament that I didn't bring a proper fighting tool with me today?"

Many people get locked into this "Talisman" mentality, where carrying a firearm is a binary thing: Have/Do not have.

Sure, you can argue "But I'll most likely just need it at 5-7 feet or so and for a couple of shots, and the psychological effect is more important than..." Yeah, but I you can also argue "You're not likely to need a firearm at all..." and the argument holds a lot more water, as it's very true. You're not. But if you do...make sure you're carrying one that you won't feel like you short-changed yourself on when you draw it.

It's a personal question, so only you can answer it, which is why I'm not providing any critique except my above thoughts on the subject. Ponder them, and you will have the best answer you can get. For you.

Got together with a buddy of mine for some range fun on my birthday/vacation a few weeks back. 100yrd/50yrd range. Beautiful day in pa. Made better by the $11 a box for 9mm deal I found at cabelas. It was one of those 1 hour only specials. I happened to be in the right place at the right time so I stocked up.
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Shooting his wartime 1943 mosin. Such a sweet gun. It was dead accurate.
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My table. M&P9 fullsize, shield9, a ruger lcr 38sp, and my buds new Taurus 38sp (no idea on model)
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My full size 9 was shooting 8" targets and soda bottles at 50yrd. I'm pleased with the purchase. Groupings sucked but I was hitting. My friend bought that Taurus on the same day I bought the 9. It sucked so bad it's already sold. Thing was garbage. Neither of us could hit anything with it. Not even at 7yrds out.

BAD NEWS! Got an e-mail from Midway saying that my order as been cancelled. It said that the manufacturer can not fill the order. So those who use this powder for 5.56/.223, and .308. Will have to wait even longer now. Glad I got 16 lbs of AR Comp. :D

Along that line, get some self-defense training. You are not competent to use a firearm to defend your life if the only training you have is your CCW course. THAT is not training.

Here's an update on the new LR beast. I've shot out to 1200m consistantly with 168gr A-Max and 175gr SMK.


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PGW Coyote .308
Sightron SVSS 10-50x60
Near milspec 1.25 mount
LRA light tactical bipod

Wife made me pretty her gun up.

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Pew pew pew!

The "don't give a sh1t" makes that rifle!

My latest build....
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R700 short action
MDT HS3 chassis
Timney Calvin Elite trigger
Jury Custom (Krieger style 17) heavy barrel 28" in .308
0 deg gill brake
LRA light tactical bipod
NF nxs 5.5-22x56
Near Alfamount

Awesome stick! I particularly like that you didn't go soft on the glass!

After many years of trying to convince him, my friend finally sold me this baby. It is a S&W 686 Combat and the trigger is dreamy:

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This may be my new favorite gun!

They're nice shooting revolvers. I have 2 of them. A 4" which I used to carry when I worked at the one job I had. And a 6" which was my first wife's revolver.

The wife got me a Shooting Chrony Gamma Master Chronograph. :D

Shooting Chrony Gamma Master Chronograph Ballistic Chrony Printer

I was going to buy the Oehler chronograph. But she beat me to it. :icon17: I'm not complaining. :tup:

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