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synolimit 03-02-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger (Post 3126149)
That's a little creepy for sure. Wonder why it is made in such an unfavorable fashion for reloading. Might want to look into a different powder. And be very careful with that first shot.

Might be ok, check this out

Compressed loads...or change powder? - AR15.Com Archive

Bulletz4break 03-05-2015 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 3117650)
I know I'm not suppose to get political on here but its firearms related . No discussion needed.
I got this from military arms channel aka MAC from a Facebook post.
Save M855: Protect your 2nd Amendment Rights

Obama does not want Americans to have the AR15 to fight off islam's AKs. After all that is why most of have them. Not trying to get political but this ban is preposterous and needs to be stopped.

synolimit 03-07-2015 03:25 PM

Getting close!! Just need the Magpul trigger guard, UTG bipod and UTG 3-12x44 scope to come in.

Upper- HM defence NiB BCG, forged upper, 14" hand guard, 16" 416 1:8 twist barrel, flash/break, charging handle
Lower- Spikes Tactical honey badger cause he don't give a ****
Trigger- POF precision single stage 4.5lbs pull with like ZERO pull and reset length (kinda scary!)
Kit, buffer- CMMG, Tapco
Grip- Magpul
Stock- Magpul CTR

Current weight with mag 7.96lbs

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m4a1mustang 03-07-2015 03:52 PM

Big thanks to ZCarMan for telling me about the Gen2 Sub 2000 over lunch today. I was very close to buying a Gen 1, but now I'm going to wait.

Kel-Tec Introduces the SUB-2000 Gen 2, Plans Summer Release for RDB | OutdoorHub

Rusty 03-07-2015 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3126167)

One of the things you have to watch out for when doing compressed loads. When seating heavy (longer) bullets. Is your OAL. Sometimes the powder will push the bullets back out of the case after seating. Measure your OAL, wait about 30 minutes and check again. You have to have good neck tension or a heavy crimp to hold the bullet in place.

As for burning rate. Ideally you what the powder to burn within about 3" from the end of the barrel. Burn too quickly, you get low velocity. Burn too fast, you get big muzzle flash, and a dirty barrel.

Neil912 03-08-2015 10:00 AM

If they ban the AR or 5.56 rounds I will LOL hard! My brother just bought one several months ago. After using the M4 for several years and the M249, I purchased the SCAR 17 for the .308 round used. Really is a nice rifle that I combo up with a FNX-45. I am thinking about buying the short barrel for the SCAR and putting a can on it. Not sure if I want to hassle with ATF for 6+ months waiting to get approval to get it.

MacCool 03-08-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Neil912 (Post 3131600)
If they ban the AR or 5.56 rounds I will LOL hard! My brother just bought one several months ago. After using the M4 for several years and the M249, I purchased the SCAR 17 for the .308 round used. Really is a nice rifle that I combo up with a FNX-45.

Who's banning 5.56 rounds? The brouhaha was only over the possibility of ATF banning M855 (armor piercing) from civilian sales, and within two days of going viral the ATF issued a statement that that info was incorrect and due to a "publishing error". The concern that bolstered the rumor is that, since people are making AR15-based pistols more often now, it violates the law concerning use of "armor piercing" ammo in pistols (will penetrate body armor).

If they ban a given firearm by rifle, they aren't going to ban just AR15s and variants...they'll ban by category (based on feature set) and the SCAR17 will be part of the ban. Caliber isn't part of the criteria that governments use for defining "assault rifles".

In the meantime, there is still no problem, or even rumored problem, with XM193 ball ammo in 5.56, nor with any of the loadings in .223.



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Originally Posted by Neil912 (Post 3131600)
I am thinking about buying the short barrel for the SCAR and putting a can on it. Not sure if I want to hassle with ATF for 6+ months waiting to get approval to get it.

Are you only going to keep the rifle for 6 months or less? What else are you going to do during that period? If you get it, you're going to be shooting it with the long barrel, might as well be waiting for a stamp. The NFA process isn't difficult, and with e-filing the approval process can be quite simple. Personally, I have found the "hassle" of getting a tax stamp to be negligible, especially compared to the value and convenience of my rifles being SBRs.



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tvfreakazoid 03-08-2015 02:40 PM

M855 is not an armor piercing round FYI

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Tigger 03-08-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 3131616)
Who's banning 5.56 rounds? The brouhaha was only over the possibility of ATF banning M855 (armor piercing) from civilian sales, and within two days of going viral the ATF issued a statement that that info was incorrect and due to a "publishing error". The concern that bolstered the rumor is that, since people are making AR15-based pistols more often now, it violates the law concerning use of "armor piercing" ammo in pistols (will penetrate body armor).

If they ban a given firearm by rifle, they aren't going to ban just AR15s and variants...they'll ban by category (based on feature set) and the SCAR17 will be part of the ban. Caliber isn't part of the criteria that governments use for defining "assault rifles".

In the meantime, there is still no problem, or even rumored problem, with XM193 ball ammo in 5.56, nor with any of the loadings in .223.





Are you only going to keep the rifle for 6 months or less? What else are you going to do during that period? If you get it, you're going to be shooting it with the long barrel, might as well be waiting for a stamp. The NFA process isn't difficult, and with e-filing the approval process can be quite simple. Personally, I have found the "hassle" of getting a tax stamp to be negligible, especially compared to the value and convenience of my rifles being SBRs.



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Excellent post. And I agree that the hassle of a tax stamp is purely the wait and that's really a non-issue.

synolimit 03-08-2015 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigger (Post 3131727)
Excellent post. And I agree that the hassle of a tax stamp is purely the wait and that's really a non-issue.

I filled everything out, got approved by CLEO, and then just never mailed it. Now I've moved, new CLEO will say no so I went sig arm brace. I need to do something else since the arm brace is now such a pain.

synolimit 03-08-2015 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3131442)
One of the things you have to watch out for when doing compressed loads. When seating heavy (longer) bullets. Is your OAL. Sometimes the powder will push the bullets back out of the case after seating. Measure your OAL, wait about 30 minutes and check again. You have to have good neck tension or a heavy crimp to hold the bullet in place.

As for burning rate. Ideally you what the powder to burn within about 3" from the end of the barrel. Burn too quickly, you get low velocity. Burn too fast, you get big muzzle flash, and a dirty barrel.

It's been a week, all good. The 4064 are big cylinders so lots of room after being crushed I'm sure some broke and just filled the gaps. I'd be more worried with ball powder doing this. Only issue I noticed is I have to use LC brass. All others fill up into tthe neck.

Rusty 03-08-2015 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3131743)
It's been a week, all good. The 4064 are big cylinders so lots of room after being crushed I'm sure some broke and just filled the gaps. I'd be more worried with ball powder doing this. Only issue I noticed is I have to use LC brass. All others fill up into tthe neck.

Brass from different manufacturers have different internal volumes. Also from lot to lot from the same manufacturer may be different too. This will have an effect on how much you can fill a case and on velocity too.

synolimit 03-11-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3131911)
Brass from different manufacturers have different internal volumes. Also from lot to lot from the same manufacturer may be different too. This will have an effect on how much you can fill a case and on velocity too.

I gotcha. I'll just keep an eye on these with bullet and powder and cases.

So what am I looking for though in the end? Use a chronograph and try and get the bullets as fast as possible without blowing the case/primer/me up? I'm sure even a slow 223 can be accurate to a distance. I've just never done distance. I know at 100 yards my 10" is dead on but is it deadly if only a few ftps cause the barrels so small?

I know any reload I've done and any ammo I've shot doesn't even touch my ar500 plate. But a guy with normal 5.56 FMJ 55gr out of a 20" barrel blasted right through like a knife through butter. I'm hoping this 16" 416 barrel is a little more powerful.

Rusty 03-11-2015 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3135191)
I gotcha. I'll just keep an eye on these with bullet and powder and cases.

So what am I looking for though in the end? Use a chronograph and try and get the bullets as fast as possible without blowing the case/primer/me up? I'm sure even a slow 223 can be accurate to a distance. I've just never done distance. I know at 100 yards my 10" is dead on but is it deadly if only a few ftps cause the barrels so small?

I know any reload I've done and any ammo I've shot doesn't even touch my ar500 plate. But a guy with normal 5.56 FMJ 55gr out of a 20" barrel blasted right through like a knife through butter. I'm hoping this 16" 416 barrel is a little more powerful.

My AR has a 16" SS bull barrel. I normally clover leaf my groups at 100m's. At 500m's, on a good day. I can shoot 2" groups. My buddy can shoot my AR out to 700m's no problem.

I use either the Sierra 69gr Match or the Hornady 68gr Match bullets, with Norma brass, CCI 400 primers. I want to try the Berger 70gr VLD bullets next.

Inspector71 03-12-2015 11:49 AM

Trying to figure out what to do with...
 
A number of years ago, I had Accuracy Rifle Systems build a mini-14 for me. The only part of the rifle that is Ruger is the receiver. It has a 1" lothar Walther barrel, about 20" long, Hogue stock, new gas block, you name it. With a cheap scope, it shot .5 at 100 yards bench rested. I went through all the protocols, 1 shot, clean it, for 20 rounds. Took forever. Then 3 shots clean it for 20 rounds. And then I put it away. Most accurate rifle I've ever fired but what the heck do I need with a $1300 dollar .223 rifle in mini-14? The owner has passed away and I bet they went out of business. Cool guy too. Talked to him before he died. Anyone know in this current climate is it worth trying to sell or just keep?

synolimit 03-12-2015 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3135380)
My AR has a 16" SS bull barrel. I normally clover leaf my groups at 100m's. At 500m's, on a good day. I can shoot 2" groups. My buddy can shoot my AR out to 700m's no problem.

I use either the Sierra 69gr Match or the Hornady 68gr Match bullets, with Norma brass, CCI 400 primers. I want to try the Berger 70gr VLD bullets next.

But what are you looking for with your reloads? Just accuracy or speed also as you test so you know it's not only on point but can also knock something down.

synolimit 03-12-2015 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Inspector71 (Post 3135956)
A number of years ago, I had Accuracy Rifle Systems build a mini-14 for me. The only part of the rifle that is Ruger is the receiver. It has a 1" lothar Walther barrel, about 20" long, Hogue stock, new gas block, you name it. With a cheap scope, it shot .5 at 100 yards bench rested. I went through all the protocols, 1 shot, clean it, for 20 rounds. Took forever. Then 3 shots clean it for 20 rounds. And then I put it away. Most accurate rifle I've ever fired but what the heck do I need with a $1300 dollar .223 rifle in mini-14? The owner has passed away and I bet they went out of business. Cool guy too. Talked to him before he died. Anyone know in this current climate is it worth trying to sell or just keep?

I'd only sell a gun if I needed money asap. Or maybe upgrade.

Rusty 03-12-2015 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3136073)
But what are you looking for with your reloads? Just accuracy or speed also as you test so you know it's not only on point but can also knock something down.

Speed and accuracy kind of go hand in hand up to a point. Then you start to over-drive the bullet. Work you reloads up in .5gr increases. Load 10 up at what you think is the lowest amount of powder. Then load 10 more at .5 gr increase and so on up to the max load. Start shooting each load and take notes on the group size. You should notice the groups getting smaller. Once the groups start to open up. you know you have found the load for the rifle, brass, powder, bullet and primer. Change any one of those, and you will have to start over. Also keep an eye out for over-pressure. It helps if you have a chrono to measure your bullet velocity. Once you know your velocity. You can look up in your ballistic tables to see at what yardage the bullet goes sub-sonic. At that point, most bullets become unstable. A .22 cal with a BC of .305, and a velocity of 2,900 should be stable out to 700~800 yards. Another thing too. Is barrel break-in. You got to shoot about 200+ rounds through it before getting down to brass-tacks. If you can't put it on target, forget killin' it.

You punching paper, or killin' something?

If you want to knock something down on a regular basic. Get something bigger. A AR chambered for a .243 with a Hornady 105gr A-Max. Has a BC of .500. which is better then any .22 cal bullet.

HKYStormFront 03-18-2015 06:53 AM

zensation brought over his AR Sunday to get a few pictures taken of it. Really digging the blue receiver, looks pretty cool.

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exsanity 03-18-2015 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 3141183)
zensation brought over his AR Sunday to get a few pictures taken of it. Really digging the blue receiver, looks pretty cool.
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Beautiful piece! I'm a fan of the A-frame front sight, but it is what it is.

Rusty 03-24-2015 07:16 PM

If anyone here is in to ballistic tables. Here is a good website. :tup:

JBM - Calculations

Trips 03-24-2015 10:39 PM

I removed posts that were clearly in violation of forum rules.

I would like to again remind everyone that any types of solicitation sales are not allowed and are to be conducted off the forum.

This is only for discussions.

Thank You.

tvfreakazoid 03-24-2015 10:44 PM

My bad

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HKYStormFront 03-25-2015 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Trips (Post 3148237)
I removed posts that were clearly in violation of forum rules.

I would like to again remind everyone that any types of solicitation sales are not allowed and are to be conducted off the forum.

This is only for discussions.

Thank You.

:tiphat: Keep 'em straight, trips!

synolimit 03-30-2015 05:35 PM

All done! First build complete... Got a proper mag, it's sighted in with some old reloads and shooting sub MOA. It was 6" low and 5" right and the scope worked perfect with 1/4" clicks. I hit bullseye first shot after 1 adjustment. Only complaint is it's got a good amount of recoil and take down is still tight! I youtubed best breaks and a guy did a sled test on 30 different front end devices. The A2 flash hider and bare muzzle for example slid back over 9 inches. The best break was precision armament that only slid back 2.35"! I'll be getting one soon!

Break down...
HM defense upper $640
416 triple hone 16" barrel
14" hand guard
Nib BCG
Flash hider
Charging handle
Upper
Mid gas tube and block

Spikes tactical lower $110
Magpul stock $60
Magpul grip $23
Magpul aluminium trigger guard $19
Magpul 20 round mag $13
POA precision single stage trigger $149
Cmmg lower kit $35
Tapco mil spec buffer kit $43
UTG 3-12x44 36 color scope and rings $122
UTG super duty bipod $32

Total $1246 for a $2000+ gun.

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Nismo89 03-30-2015 05:47 PM

that................... looks...................sick!!!! :tup: :drool:

synolimit 03-30-2015 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89 (Post 3154494)
that................... looks...................sick!!!! :tup: :drool:

Wife has good taste. I pointed her in the right direction but she made all the calls, it's hers now.

Nismo89 03-30-2015 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3154514)
Wife has good taste. I pointed her in the right direction but she made all the calls, it's hers now.

self defense is best defense

Rusty 03-30-2015 09:03 PM

If you think the AR15 has too much recoil. You got a soft shoulder. :icon17:

Use a mercury tube in the stock. It will take most of the recoil out.

Colin MKV 03-30-2015 09:29 PM

im not that into guns. But I carry a S&W Shield 40 for personal/home protection.

synolimit 03-30-2015 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3154751)
If you think the AR15 has too much recoil. You got a soft shoulder. :icon17:

Use a mercury tube in the stock. It will take most of the recoil out.

It has more kick than an AR. It's a weak kick but way to much for an AR. My sig 556 has half this guns recoil with a 10" barrel.

Rusty 03-31-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3154794)
It has more kick than an AR. It's a weak kick but way to much for an AR. My sig 556 has half this guns recoil with a 10" barrel.

It's a .223/5.56, right?

synolimit 03-31-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3155585)
It's a .223/5.56, right?

Yeah they both are. If I had to guess on a sled test like I was talking about, my sig 556 with the A2 flash hider probably slides back 6-7". My AR with the HM defense flash hider probably slides back 8-9". I'm going for break that will slide 2.43".

Rusty 03-31-2015 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3155628)
Yeah they both are. If I had to guess on a sled test like I was talking about, my sig 556 with the A2 flash hider probably slides back 6-7". My AR with the HM defense flash hider probably slides back 8-9". I'm going for break that will slide 2.35".

Whats the biggest rifle you have shot?

SurfDog 03-31-2015 07:10 PM

M2 .50 cal lol. OohRah!

synolimit 03-31-2015 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3155744)
Whats the biggest rifle you have shot?

Why?

50's with breaks, 20" 12ga high brass, 8mm Mauser etc.

Rusty 03-31-2015 11:24 PM

The AR15 .223 has no recoil compared to them. And you're saying your's has too much?

tvfreakazoid 03-31-2015 11:35 PM

Ar15 is very mild compared to a 12guage, 50 Beowulf or a Barrett 50 cal

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synolimit 04-01-2015 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3155936)
And you're saying your's has too much?

Yes that's exactly why I said this...(my sig 556 is also a 5.56 rifle)

It has more kick than an AR (typical AR). It's a weak kick but way to much for an AR. My sig 556 has half this guns recoil with a 10" barrel.


Yeah they both are. If I had to guess on a sled test like I was talking about, my sig 556 with the A2 flash hider probably slides back 6-7" (granted the sig 556 is heavier). My AR with the HM defense flash hider probably slides back 8-9". I'm going for break that will slide 2.43".

synolimit 04-01-2015 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid (Post 3155944)
Ar15 is very mild compared to a 12guage, 50 Beowulf or a Barrett 50 cal

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Yes I know this but my AR has to much kick for an AR. In terms of kick like I said on a YouTube sled test, mine probably slides back a good 9" which like the video was a AR with no muzzle device or a A2 flash hider. For fast follow ups and 3 gun that's way to much kick! The Precision Armament m4-72 had the test AR only slide back 2.43" on the table. That's a crazy amount of recoil reduction. That's what I'm going for. Hope that makes sence now. I want the kick of a .22.


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