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6MT 08-24-2014 12:46 PM

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Here's a teaser pic of the new build. Still waiting for the scope to arrive. The rest is a Mystic Precision Mpod. The scope will be a NightForce NSX 5.5-22 X 56 with the MOAR recticle. I'm still deciding on the rail. It will either be the direct fit from NF or something different. Since my range only goes out to 300 yards, I may be looking at something different for the mount. The direct fit is a 20 MOA rise, so for 300 yards that may be too much for the scope. I might bottom the adjustment out and still not have enough for sub 500 yard solutions.

Oh well.... it's only money:icon17:

MacCool 08-24-2014 01:14 PM

Battle Arms Development (they make the BAD ambi safety selector) has started making AR15 lowers with their known attention to detail. Looking forward to building a rifle with it. Lots of advanced engineering in the fabrication process. The logo is 3-D laser cut, the finish is beautiful.

http://ssequine.net/BADs.jpg

http://ssequine.net/BADlogos.jpg

atx370z 08-24-2014 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2941536)
Nice. I have a couple of those Taylor +5's on order. Did your VP 9 come that way, or have you been "working on it?" I haven't seen one equipped that way out of the box.

I've been working on it. It came with the night sights and extra mag (LEM Edition)... I got the threaded barrel from hkparts and the mag extensions straight from Taylor Freelance.

I cut the foam inside the case to fit the VP with everything I've done to it.

MacCool 08-24-2014 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by atx370z (Post 2941803)
I've been working on it. It came with the night sights and extra mag (LEM Edition)... I got the threaded barrel from hkparts and the mag extensions straight from Taylor Freelance.

I cut the foam inside the case to fit the VP with everything I've done to it.

Nice. Have you had problems with the Taylor Freelance? There were earlier issues with the +5 thing (actually pretty much only +4) as well as some reliability issues with bending of the floor plate. Reportedly, they've addressed both of those issues. Any insight?

At $39, you're right at the cost of a whole new magazine. $39 for +5, $39.95 for +15. Hmmmm.

Have you shot your VP9 yet? I think it's a remarkable firearm, and at $600 for an HK, I couldn't pass it up.

atx370z 08-24-2014 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2941814)
Nice. Have you had problems with the Taylor Freelance? There were earlier issues with the +5 thing (actually pretty much only +4) as well as some reliability issues with bending of the floor plate. Reportedly, they've addressed both of those issues. Any insight?

At $39, you're right at the cost of a whole new magazine. $39 for +5, $39.95 for +15. Hmmmm.

Have you shot your VP9 yet? I think it's a remarkable firearm, and at $600 for an HK, I couldn't pass it up.

I had to trim the corners of the follower a bit to get it to slide past the edges of the mag extension. In some cases it gets hung up a little bit if you don't. No issues getting in all +5 rounds. Other than the absolute PITA installation in which I managed to cut my thumb, they are awesome and work great.

The main purpose of the +5 is to benefit competitive shooters. More rounds = less reloading.

I've shot it a few times. It's awesome. I paid $750 for mine, but it's the "LEM edition" which came with night sites and an extra mag.

VABAM 08-24-2014 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by atx370z (Post 2941351)
Newest toy: HK VP9 w/threaded barrel, night sights and Taylor Freelance +5 mag extensions. Shoot like a DREAMMM!!!
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:drool:

VABAM 08-25-2014 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2941614)
....I'm still deciding on the rail. It will either be the direct fit from NF or something different. Since my range only goes out to 300 yards, I may be looking at something different for the mount. The direct fit is a 20 MOA rise, so for 300 yards that may be too much for the scope. I might bottom the adjustment out and still not have enough for sub 500 yard solutions.

The scope you ordered has 100 MOA (0 +/- 50 MOA) internal elevation adjustment. You should be okay with a 20 MOA base shooting at 300 yards and even 100 yards. Lets start with this; a 100 yard zero, the scope you ordered, 2" height over bore and a 0 MOA base. A 308 bullet rises about 1-2" @ 100 yards before dropping so the scope zero will be roughly in the middle of your elevation adjustment (@100 yards). Even if it takes 10 MOA up (Point Of Impact down) to zero the scope you're left with 40 MOA up (POI down) and 60 MOA down (POI up). In theory if you then add a 20 MOA base you'll then have 20 MOA up (POI down) left and 80 MOA for down (POI up) left for bullet drop. This is all theory, real world mileage might vary!

Hope I didn't confuse you more. :rolleyes:

From what I have read you might have ran into an issue using a 20 MOA base for short range shooting if you had gone with a 1" tube scope or a cheap scope with limited adjustment. However you ordered a high quality 30mm tube scope with plenty of adjustment. :tup:


:twocents: I would go with a rail and rings. Gives you a lot of options and makes swapping out optics easier. I plan on using a Badger Ordnance rail and rings for my future build. If you use a one piece mount or a rail, look into bedding it to the top of your receiver. Sometime the front and rear of a receiver are not perfectly lined up. This causes the scope mount to flex and that flex is transmitted into the scope tube. There are some good DIYs on YouTube of how to bed a one piece scope mount/rail.

Thanks for the pic BTW :tiphat:

6MT 08-25-2014 10:00 PM

Good advice. Thanks a lot. Yes the 30mm tube is much better. And yes, I believe I'll go with the steel one piece rail with the 20moa rise so I can have some options if I need them. NF rings are good as well.

And I won't be doing the rail or scope mounting. I have a smith friend who will do that and bore sight it for me.

VABAM 08-26-2014 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2943041)
Good advice. Thanks a lot. Yes the 30mm tube is much better. And yes, I believe I'll go with the steel one piece rail with the 20moa rise so I can have some options if I need them. NF rings are good as well.

And I won't be doing the rail or scope mounting. I have a smith friend who will do that and bore sight it for me.

:tup:





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I'm a DIYer when it comes to mounting and bore sighting scopes (and redots, open sight, etc.). Bore sighting is easy and you don't even need any fancy tools especially for a bolt action. So, it surprises me when people skip this very important step. Case in point; I was at the 100 yard section of one my local ranges when a guy with a scout scoped Nagant set up next to me. When he took his first shot I saw chunks of concrete go flying through the air. Then I heard him say "Where did it go?". I looked up from my rifle just in time to see his second shot hit the concrete barrier that is suspended over the targets to prevent shots from going over the berm. The barrier is 8 ft off the ground. I quickly told him to cease fire and then asked him if he had bore sighted his scope. He said no and he thought he didn't need to. :shakes head: I tried to bore sight his rifle for him but with his scope and mount adjustments maxed out he was still 3 ft off. :icon14: That's why you always bore sight your rifle (handguns and shotguns too) when ever you make a major change to you sights or scope.

BTW this wasn’t directed at any one in particular just 6MT's post reminded me of that experience for some reason.
Just felt like sharing.http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...es/shoofly.gif

SgtGoldy 08-26-2014 08:58 AM

since were on the topic:

What do you guys think of those laser bore sight bullets?

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/laserlyte07op.png


I've never used one but planning on getting the crimson trace grip for my EDC Kimber CDP II so I thought this would be a good way to line up the laser sights.

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SouthArk370Z 08-26-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2943305)
... What do you guys think of those laser bore sight bullets? ...

I haven't used one but have heard other ppl say that they are great for pistols - more convenient than the ones that fit in the end of the barrel, especially if you have a short barrel. I assume they would work just as well in a rifle. No idea about the particular brand/models shown.

SgtGoldy 08-26-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2943380)
I haven't used one but have heard other ppl say that they are great for pistols - more convenient than the ones that fit in the end of the barrel, especially if you have a short barrel. I assume they would work just as well in a rifle. No idea about the particular brand/models shown.

Picture was just for reference. I just wanted to get opinions on em before I pulled the trigger on getting one. It'd suck to buy it just to find out they don't produce an accurate line.

SouthArk370Z 08-26-2014 10:58 AM

FWIW, for initial lining up of laser dot pointers on handguns, I just use the iron sights and a spot on a wall. Usually gets me very close.

Ghostvette 08-26-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2943305)
since were on the topic:

What do you guys think of those laser bore sight bullets?

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/laserlyte07op.png


I've never used one but planning on getting the crimson trace grip for my EDC Kimber CDP II so I thought this would be a good way to line up the laser sights.

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Those are similar to what I've used and I like them. The one drawback is having to buy adapters for the different calibers. Outside of that, I think they are pretty good.

One comment about laser sights on handguns, learn to use the iron sights first. The laser is great for low-light situations, so you can acquire the target quickly. I've watched a lot of people try to use the laser as their 'aiming device' and be all over the target, then cuss the gun for being crap. Being the inquisitive sort, I ask to try it (after offering to buy the gun from them), then proceed to obliterate the X-ring with their 'crap' gun. Lasers are 'cool', but my preference is for night sights. Just my :twocents:

SgtGoldy 08-26-2014 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 2943426)
Those are similar to what I've used and I like them. The one drawback is having to buy adapters for the different calibers. Outside of that, I think they are pretty good.

One comment about laser sights on handguns, learn to use the iron sights first. The laser is great for low-light situations, so you can acquire the target quickly. I've watched a lot of people try to use the laser as their 'aiming device' and be all over the target, then cuss the gun for being crap. Being the inquisitive sort, I ask to try it (after offering to buy the gun from them), then proceed to obliterate the X-ring with their 'crap' gun. Lasers are 'cool', but my preference is for night sights. Just my :twocents:

Its my concealed carry. If sh*t happens I doubt I will be aiming down the sights, the laser will just give me a quick "hey its pointing at the guy, you should probably pull the trigger now". But for target practice I wouldn't even turn the laser on. No point imo.

SouthArk370Z 08-26-2014 11:19 AM

I haven't been very impressed with laser sights. I have tried them on home-protection handguns and 1) you have to remember to turn them on in a tense situation and 2) they give away your position. Seems to me to be like racking a pump shotgun - more for effect on the person on the wrong end than anything else. If I'm protecting my home, my goal is not to scare you. ;) YMMV

I've removed the laser sights from all my handguns except a BB pistol.

SgtGoldy 08-26-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2943447)
I haven't been very impressed with laser sights. I have tried them on home-protection handguns and 1) you have to remember to turn them on in a tense situation and 2) they give away your position. Seems to me to be like racking a pump shotgun - more for effect on the person on the wrong end than anything else. If I'm protecting my home, my goal is not to scare you. ;) YMMV

I've removed the laser sights from all my handguns except a BB pistol.

My home protection gun is a Glock 21SF with a TLR2 laser/light mounted to my rail.

I have once had to clear my house with it (heard a window break middle of the night. Come to find out it was just kids that threw a rock through it). I didn't turn the light or laser on cause my eyes were adjusted to the dark. I can see using it though, which is why I keep it on the gun. I rather have it there and not need the light rather than need it and not have it.

MacCool 08-26-2014 12:12 PM

I've never bothered with bore-sighting. I sight in a scope from short distances to get it one paper, then move outward. On my rifles with RDS, I just move the dot to co-witness with the irons, if the rifle has irons (not all of my AR's do).

I don't use lasers on my firearms...never found it useful. I do occasionally mount lights. I have some conventional lights I can mount with a QD picatinney mount, but more often I just use my good ol' TLR-1 on my ARs and on my pistols. I don't keep them on the guns all the time, I just keep the light in the safe with the guns.


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VABAM 08-27-2014 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2943432)
Its my concealed carry. If sh*t happens I doubt I will be aiming down the sights, the laser will just give me a quick "hey its pointing at the guy, you should probably pull the trigger now". But for target practice I wouldn't even turn the laser on. No point imo.

:iagree:

All my defensive pistols have a laser or laser/light combo. IMO lasers are for worst case scenarios. Case in point; I wear glasses and contact lenses. With out my glasses or contacts I have a hard time seeing the open sights on my pistols clearly but, I can see the dot of a laser. What if I loose a contact in a struggle or something goes bump in the night and I only have enough time to grab my pistol? :icon14:

Just for the record, with out my glasses or contacts I can see well enough to identify friend or foe with proper illumination. Hence why my "bed side" pistol, a HK45, has a Surefire X400 light laser combo. :tup:

I’m a firm believer that lasers should not be used as a substitute for trigger time. I rarely use my lasers at the range. When I do it is mainly to check the zero of the laser. I do dry fire practice with my lasers at home so the muscle memory is there when needed.

Ghostvette 08-27-2014 10:11 AM

I didn't intend to disparage anyone's use of a laser/tac light on their pistol, I'm sorry if it came across that way. Everything we use, be it tac light, laser or whatever is a matter of personal choice. The important thing to remember is that practice is the key, be it live fire on the range or dry fire at home. The other part of the equation is the mental decision to use deadly force when and if it becomes necessary.

Again, my apologies. I see a lot of 'tacticool' people at the ranges that absolutely have to have the latest and greatest gadget on their toy and can't hit the broad side of a barn, yet blow through a box of ammo, no perceptible group on the paper and consider themselves John Wayne. :shakes head:

SgtGoldy 08-27-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 2944602)
I didn't intend to disparage anyone's use of a laser/tac light on their pistol, I'm sorry if it came across that way. Everything we use, be it tac light, laser or whatever is a matter of personal choice. The important thing to remember is that practice is the key, be it live fire on the range or dry fire at home. The other part of the equation is the mental decision to use deadly force when and if it becomes necessary.

Again, my apologies. I see a lot of 'tacticool' people at the ranges that absolutely have to have the latest and greatest gadget on their toy and can't hit the broad side of a barn, yet blow through a box of ammo, no perceptible group on the paper and consider themselves John Wayne. :shakes head:

Your on the370z. No need to apologize. I never took it as disparaging (btw dont use big words here, its not polite. Some of us cant keep up).

VABAM 08-27-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 2944602)
I didn't intend to disparage anyone's use of a laser/tac light on their pistol, I'm sorry if it came across that way.....Again, my apologies.....

No worries! I did not take your comments negatively! I was just putting my :twocents: in the mix for the benefit of everyone. IMO the more info the better. :tup:


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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 2944602)
...Everything we use, be it tac light, laser or whatever is a matter of personal choice. The important thing to remember is that practice is the key, be it live fire on the range or dry fire at home. The other part of the equation is the mental decision to use deadly force when and if it becomes necessary.

:iagree:


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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 2944602)
...I see a lot of 'tacticool' people at the ranges that absolutely have to have the latest and greatest gadget on their toy and can't hit the broad side of a barn, yet blow through a box of ammo, no perceptible group on the paper and consider themselves John Wayne. :shakes head:

I know how you feel. Seeing people's targets that look like they were shooting a shot gun at 25 yards but, it was actually it was a pistol at 20 feet, :facepalm: I also hate it when people blame bad marksmanship on the gun.

The thing the gets me the most riled up is when some one at the range says to me “You got that gun because it was in (insert video game or movie).” I usually set them strait on that one. My ACR drew comments like that for awhile, especially when it was new. How ever my one firearm that never fails to draw stupid comments is…“Isn’t that the Lara Croft gun?”…my H&K USP 45 Match. I absolutely hate those movies because of what it did to the price and perception of that gun. I was very luck to get mine, a safe queen that was barely shot and the guy was local, for $1900. At the time USP Matches were going for $2500-$3000. Now they go for $3500-$5000 all because of those movies. :mad: Also had to school my self on spotting fake USP Matches too because of those movies. There are many converted USPs and straight up fakes out their being sold as genuine USP Matches.

VABAM 08-27-2014 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2944605)
Your on the370z. No need to apologize. I never took it as disparaging (btw dont use big words here, its not polite. Some of us cant keep up).

Firearm term of the day:

cylindro-conoidal bullet


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:bowrofl: Sorry, couldn't resist!

6MT 08-29-2014 10:35 PM

Ooo-Ooo....my scope is in! Gonna pick it up Saturday morning. I'm going to let the shop mount the rail and bore sight the scope. What the hell...it is free! I may as well take advantage...

Pics to follow!!

VABAM 08-29-2014 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2947664)
Ooo-Ooo....my scope is in! Gonna pick it up Saturday morning. I'm going to let the shop mount the rail and bore sight the scope. What the hell...it is free! I may as well take advantage...

Pics to follow!!

:tup:

SgtGoldy 08-30-2014 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2947664)
Ooo-Ooo....my scope is in! Gonna pick it up Saturday morning. I'm going to let the shop mount the rail and bore sight the scope. What the hell...it is free! I may as well take advantage...

Pics to follow!!

:excited:

6MT 08-30-2014 08:40 PM

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Ok.. here it is. Mounted and bore sighted. I was at the range today, but only shot the pistols and the Henry. The 700 will have to wait a while. Just got my stitches out on Friday from knee surgery.

It is a NightForce NXS 5.5-22 X 56 with the MOAR reticle. The mount is the direct fit for the Remington 700P with the 20 MOA rise. Now to learn how to properly use it....

6MT 08-30-2014 10:23 PM

I love the smell of gun powder in the morning!

I know, I know...not correctly quoted. But it's been almost three weeks since I shot anything.



I do love that smell, tho

RBfastback 08-30-2014 11:29 PM

My other hobby..

RA XCR-L 5.56
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RA XCR-L 7.62
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/31/pa3ebyha.jpg
converted saiga 12 guage completely rebuilt ( in my kitchen)
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/31/a8y4equ9.jpg
FN PS-90
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/31/tyta9aga.jpg

what's better then cooking with guns...
a nice delicious Luther burger delux
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/31/gyqanesy.jpg

SgtGoldy 08-30-2014 11:39 PM

RA XCR-L looks like the SCAR 17 (heavy) that I have my eyes set on.

SgtGoldy 08-30-2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2948247)
Ok.. here it is. Mounted and bore sighted. I was at the range today, but only shot the pistols and the Henry. The 700 will have to wait a while. Just got my stitches out on Friday from knee surgery.

It is a NightForce NXS 5.5-22 X 56 with the MOAR reticle. The mount is the direct fit for the Remington 700P with the 20 MOA rise. Now to learn how to properly use it....

:tup::tup::tup:

RBfastback 08-30-2014 11:43 PM

Anyone here into firearms?
 
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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2948326)
RA XCR-L looks like the SCAR 17 (heavy) that I have my eyes set on.

I also did too until I researched it more, then I changed my mind.
similar stocks tho
very similar and the xcr is also quick change barrel along with any of these calibers to choose from (5.45, 5.56,6.5,6.8, 300 blk, 7.62x39).

SmoothZ 08-31-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2941626)
Battle Arms Development (they make the BAD ambi safety selector) has started making AR15 lowers with their known attention to detail. Looking forward to building a rifle with it. Lots of advanced engineering in the fabrication process. The logo is 3-D laser cut, the finish is beautiful.

Damn, that looks really nice. Thanks for posting the pics. Now I'm going to have to search for these. :tup:

MacCool 08-31-2014 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ (Post 2948872)
Damn, that looks really nice. Thanks for posting the pics. Now I'm going to have to search for these. :tup:

https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=sh...roduct_id=4631

VABAM 08-31-2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2948326)
RA XCR-L looks like the SCAR 17 (heavy) that I have my eyes set on.

The RA XCR-M is the 308 (7.62x51) version, comparable to the SCAR 17S.
The RA XCR-L is comparable to the SCAR 16S.

:twocents: I rather take a SCAR 17S over a RA XCR-M because there are more available parts, it is lighter weight, and the big one, it is a battle proven rifle. When I eventually get mine I'll be doing the Handl Defense SCAR25 lower conversion. This will allow me to use SR-25/M110 pattern magazines.

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Originally Posted by RBfastback (Post 2948330)
I also did too until I researched it more, then I changed my mind.
similar stocks tho
very similar and the xcr is also quick change barrel along with any of these calibers to choose from (5.45, 5.56,6.5,6.8, 300 blk, 7.62x39).

You might want to check your info on those. RA doesn't make 6.5 Grendel barrels any more and I'm unsure if they ever did. RA did say they were working on one a while back.

RA never released a 300 BLK barrel and I don't think they ever will. RA did say they were working on a .300-221 (300 BLK) barrel a while back but nothing came of it. From what I've read 300 BLK is hard to adapt to piston guns with out completely redesigning the gas system. Many companies have tried and when they couldn't get their standard gas system to work they stopped trying.

SgtGoldy 08-31-2014 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VABAM (Post 2948966)
The RA XCR-M is the 308 (7.62x51) version, comparable to the SCAR 17S.
The RA XCR-L is comparable to the SCAR 16S.

:twocents: I rather take a SCAR 17S over a RA XCR-M because there are more available parts, it is lighter weight, and the big one, it is a battle proven rifle. When I eventually get mine I'll be doing the Handl Defense SCAR25 lower conversion. This will allow me to use SR-25/M110 pattern magazines.


Yep same lower for me :D. The only thing stopping me is that price tag. Thats a bit on the steep side (especially after buying a Kimber CDP II)

VABAM 08-31-2014 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtGoldy (Post 2948969)
Yep same lower for me :D. The only thing stopping me is that price tag. Thats a bit on the steep side (especially after buying a Kimber CDP II)

No kidding! The cost of a SCAR 17S plus the SCAR25 lower...http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/faint2.gif
Might get the MOD 2 version because I want to keep my SCAR as light as possible. Also a magnesium lower is just plain cool but it might not be worth the price. Still thinking about it.

Now you can find the standard aluminum ones at some very discounted prices. Just have to look for them. Gunbroker is a good place to look and I think Rainier Arms has a good deal too.

FYI there is a GEN II version of the SCAR25 lower. However only X Products is selling it. It is a joint venture between Handle Defense and X products. The new design is more compatible with X Products 50 round drum mags and improves reliability of X Product drum mags with the SCAR 17S.
Link:SCAR 17s Drum Magazine - X Products

6MT 09-06-2014 04:18 PM

My new toy in the sunshine...

http://i.imgur.com/Xe2HwSF.jpg
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SgtGoldy 09-06-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2955653)
My new toy in the sunshine...
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Wow with that much gun porn Im surprised you didnt post it in the NSFW thread in the premium section.

VABAM 09-06-2014 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 2955653)
My new toy in the sunshine...

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:drool:


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