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Isamu 04-01-2015 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3155965)
Yes I know this but my AR has to much kick for an AR. In terms of kick like I said on a YouTube sled test, mine probably slides back a good 9" which like the video was a AR with no muzzle device or a A2 flash hider. For fast follow ups and 3 gun that's way to much kick! The Precision Armament m4-72 had the test AR only slide back 2.43" on the table. That's a crazy amount of recoil reduction. That's what I'm going for. Hope that makes sence now. I want the kick of a .22.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3FD-Rou9-9A

sounds to me, you need to man up.. #necktatnurse

synolimit 04-01-2015 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu (Post 3155974)
sounds to me, you need to man up.. #necktatnurse

Yep that's it. Got me. How original.

Rusty 04-01-2015 09:54 AM

Flash hiders do nothing. You want a muzzle brake. Like I said before. You need a mercury tube in the stock. Shotgunners use them.

synolimit 04-01-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3156236)
Flash hiders do nothing. You want a muzzle brake. Like I said before. You need a mercury tube in the stock. Shotgunners use them.

Lol.

JWillis72 04-01-2015 04:21 PM

My 308 AR has a Miculek brake and has next to no recoil but it send a hell of a blast at anyone sitting next to you and will clear the tables beside you. I'm not sure if they make it in 556 or not but I would think they do.


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synolimit 04-01-2015 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3156695)
My 308 AR has a Miculek brake and has next to no recoil but it send a hell of a blast at anyone sitting next to you and will clear the tables beside you. I'm not sure if they make it in 556 or not but I would think they do.


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Yeah that's not bad at all. I'm sure Jerrys control is great but I wish it was included in the testing. His rifle doesn't even move.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7eV2JzbvXM

synolimit 04-02-2015 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3156695)
My 308 AR has a Miculek brake and has next to no recoil but it send a hell of a blast at anyone sitting next to you and will clear the tables beside you. I'm not sure if they make it in 556 or not but I would think they do.


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Just finished with more research, I think I'll try this one out! and it was tested, came in 3rd, I didn't see it cause they call it a DPMS and for $38 I don't think I can pass this by!! The PA m4-74 is $89. Maybe I'll get both, one for me and one for her and give her the better one. Thanks for the heads up.

JWillis72 04-02-2015 06:18 AM

My 13 year old daughter who is very tiny shoots my 308 with no complaints.

synolimit 04-02-2015 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3157266)
My 13 year old daughter who is very tiny shoots my 308 with no complaints.

Awesome. At 100 yards for sets of 10 I was pretty much full torso all over. I'm looking forward to getting down to about a cantaloupe or close to it size.

Ghostvette 04-02-2015 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3157274)
Awesome. At 100 yards for sets of 10 I was pretty much full torso all over. I'm looking forward to getting down to about a cantaloupe or close to it size.

No offense, but that's probably not the rifle's fault. At 100 yards, you should be inside the nine ring (center mass) on a man-sized torso target. I used to put rounds in the X ring at 200 yards with an issue rifle, it's all practice, and the fundamentals (sight alignment, sight picture, breathing and trigger control).

My observations:

If you are all over the target, that points out a problem with sight alignment/sight picture. Low and to the left is an issue with 'bucking' (anticipating the shot), high and to the right, jerking the trigger. There is a target out there that has those things marked off on the target, so you can focus on fixing them. I wouldn't put too much stock in YouTube 'sled tests', it takes time and practice to become proficient with a firearm, no amount of 'tacti-cool' stuff is a substitute for time behind the trigger.

SouthArk370Z 04-02-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3157385)
... If you are all over the target, that points out a problem with sight alignment/sight picture. ...

An AO (adjustable objective) scope may help. And a good barrel cleaning.

I was having a lot of trouble placing decent-sized groups with my air rifles at only 25 feet. Groups were >1.5" and all over the place. Cleaned the barrels real good (I usually just use a swab; used a brass brush this time) and that made a lot of difference but still not what I wanted.

Read up on technique and did some more practice but still not as tight as I wanted.

Figured out that most scopes are set for 100 yards, thus I had some big parallax problems at 25 feet. Got an AO scope that I could adjust down to 25 feet and can now fire three shots that touch each other (when the barrel is spotless and I'm having a good day).

Rusty 04-02-2015 02:14 PM

Just bought one of these. :D

Kestrel 4500 Applied Ballistics Meter | Long Range Shooting Ballistics

synolimit 04-02-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostvette (Post 3157385)
No offense, but that's probably not the rifle's fault. At 100 yards, you should be inside the nine ring (center mass) on a man-sized torso target. I used to put rounds in the X ring at 200 yards with an issue rifle, it's all practice, and the fundamentals (sight alignment, sight picture, breathing and trigger control).

My observations:

If you are all over the target, that points out a problem with sight alignment/sight picture. Low and to the left is an issue with 'bucking' (anticipating the shot), high and to the right, jerking the trigger. There is a target out there that has those things marked off on the target, so you can focus on fixing them. I wouldn't put too much stock in YouTube 'sled tests', it takes time and practice to become proficient with a firearm, no amount of 'tacti-cool' stuff is a substitute for time behind the trigger.

None taken but I'm just running and gunning at the in-laws down in a river bed with a huge ravine on the move jumping over stuff. This isn't for competition for now. In the real world targets don't sit still nor do you have a while to set up. I'm just moving, raising up and firing as fast as possible and moving again. I'm happy to even hit the target through trees and branches. The brake will definitely help climb and keep the scope from bouncing though. This Saturday I'll go again with some new targets I bought that I think are like 14" circle. I can try for a 9" ring but again I'm literally just pulling the trigger as fast as possible and staying on target. If it was a bad guy he'd still be out ;)

JWillis72 04-02-2015 04:38 PM

I did a lot USPSA , subgun matches and steel challenge matches for several years. My guess is a fraction of a second more of getting a sight picture will tighten up your group. In USPSA there is a lot of running and shooting from odd positions and angles but as long as you have the sight picture and pull the trigger correctly it not a big deal.


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synolimit 04-07-2015 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3157266)
My 13 year old daughter who is very tiny shoots my 308 with no complaints.

Well of course it's sold out :(. Found this at a similar price. Couldn't hurt to try I guess right?

Ghost Inc. AR-15 M-4 Muzzle Brake Black 1/2 x 28 RH Matte Black GHO_VALK556

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On that list there is a amazon one for $16 in 13th place...

urdeliveryguy 04-19-2015 01:31 AM

Went to a gun show. Somehow only manage to walk out with the full sized M&p9 I had my eyes on for the last few months.

http://www.the370z.com/members/urdel...35-m-p-9mm.jpg

Pic of my LCR .38 with my shield.
http://www.the370z.com/members/urdel...his-n-hers.jpg

tvfreakazoid 04-19-2015 01:54 AM

My buddy is selling his saiga 12. I'll post a pic of when I get it

2 by 2...hands of blue

Rusty 04-19-2015 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by urdeliveryguy (Post 3173051)
Went to a gun show. Somehow only manage to walk out with the full sized M&p9 I had my eyes on for the last few months.

http://www.the370z.com/members/urdel...35-m-p-9mm.jpg

Pic of my LCR .38 with my shield.
http://www.the370z.com/members/urdel...his-n-hers.jpg

Does your 9mm Shield bulge the caes? My wife's does to the point that I can't reload them. :shakes head:

6MT 04-19-2015 10:49 PM

I thought I would post a couple of pictures of my newest. I've had it just over a week now. Still waiting for the registration certificate to arrive from the CFO before I can try it out at the range. (Yes, I'm in Canada.) So, I've disassembled it a couple of times and done the grease lube job as per Tony's video. I used synthetic bearing rated grease for the lube. And I ran a couple of patches down the bore, so she's ready to shoot. I also removed the stripper clip guide since I have no use for it. I also have a proper black leather sling being made for her.

I may mount a red-dot on the fore end rail and try that out after I try out the irons and get them zeroed. And I'm also looking at a CASM mount for an optic, we'll see. I know I got to the party late with my purchase, so if this is old news for some of you, I apologize.

http://i.imgur.com/CPvKMwDl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kSKCzabl.jpg

Edit:
I took her out today for her first shoot. Shot 75 rounds. It took me about 8 to 10 rounds to zero the irons at 109.3 yards (here in Canada, that's 100 metres). I was shooting nice consistant 4 to 6 inch groups with the irons. I am happy with the results with this "shorty" 18" barrelled CQB rifle.

It felt "snappy" shooting 150gr fmj Federal. I'm glad the butt has a recoil pad to help old shoulders ;-)

Rusty 04-20-2015 12:01 PM

Nice. Try some 168gr or 175gr bullets. Most of the guys I know who shoot the 308. Like the heavier bullets. ;)

urdeliveryguy 04-21-2015 06:13 AM

@rusty my shield doesn't bulge my cases. At least the ones I've picked up. I don't reload them.

Also I think someone else mentioned they needed to replace the trigger on their new shield with the apex duty kit. IMHO it doesn't need it. But hey it can't hurt. Compared to the trigger on the full sized it's a damn good trigger. The full size is terrible. So much mushy slop. I will be doing an apex kit for that after I put another few hundred rounds through it.

Meulen 04-21-2015 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by urdeliveryguy (Post 3174785)
@rusty my shield doesn't bulge my cases. At least the ones I've picked up. I don't reload them.

Also I think someone else mentioned they needed to replace the trigger on their new shield with the apex duty kit. IMHO it doesn't need it. But hey it can't hurt. Compared to the trigger on the full sized it's a damn good trigger. The full size is terrible. So much mushy slop. I will be doing an apex kit for that after I put another few hundred rounds through it.

my shield doesn't bulge cases either.

I have the APEX trigger on it. The original trigger is absolute garbage. It's a widely known downfall. Great gun! even better with the trigger work!

Inspector71 04-21-2015 07:51 AM

Good choice
 
As part of my plans to buy another Z in about 6 months, I am slowing selling off part of my firearm collection. I decided I really didn't need the AR15 in 6.8 spc (never even got around to firing it), but I am keeping my AR10. Collecting ammo and mags for a 556, 6.8, and 308 after awhile didn't make sense. You have a really nice rifle.

Rusty 04-21-2015 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by urdeliveryguy (Post 3174785)
@rusty my shield doesn't bulge my cases. At least the ones I've picked up. I don't reload them.

Also I think someone else mentioned they needed to replace the trigger on their new shield with the apex duty kit. IMHO it doesn't need it. But hey it can't hurt. Compared to the trigger on the full sized it's a damn good trigger. The full size is terrible. So much mushy slop. I will be doing an apex kit for that after I put another few hundred rounds through it.

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Originally Posted by Meulen (Post 3174821)
my shield doesn't bulge cases either.

I have the APEX trigger on it. The original trigger is absolute garbage. It's a widely known downfall. Great gun! even better with the trigger work!

My wife's Shield bulged the cases so bad, that I sent it back to S&W. They sent it back saying that there is nothing wrong. :confused: What I did find out is that the case is unsupported on the feed ramp on some barrels. :shakes head: A couple guys got new barrels. This is only on the 9mm.

I have the complete Apex kit on my MP40 Pro Series. :tup: It's worth it. :D

6MT 04-27-2015 02:53 AM

A little milsurp love...
http://i.imgur.com/InSyrQml.jpg

6MT 04-27-2015 02:57 AM

...and a little Springfield love...

http://i.imgur.com/kSKCzabl.jpg

Nismo89 04-28-2015 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT (Post 3179979)
A little milsurp love...
http://i.imgur.com/InSyrQml.jpg

dude........... yes.

Nismo89 04-28-2015 10:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoOaJclkSZg

Rusty 04-28-2015 10:46 PM

Be the worst shot in the world and still kill it. :eek:

6MT 05-13-2015 05:49 PM

Ok, here's the first (I think) Sightron SVSS 10-50x60 mounted on a rifle in Canada (?). Well, I might be wrong about that claim, but anyways... On top of a Near Alpha MD34 x 1.25 TaCap mount on a PGW Coyote rifle. Now, I won't get a chance to try it out until after June 1st because my range is closed for reno's and re-certification. But boy, I can't wait!! (Since the rifle is also new.)

http://i.imgur.com/uBm4ITnl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BUku9q7l.jpg

btw, it's a .308

Tigger 05-13-2015 07:17 PM

I love anything in the 7.62 realm. Very cool rifle. Hope she treats you well!

SouthArk370Z 05-13-2015 08:32 PM

Any recommendations for places to buy miscellaneous AR-15/M-16 parts online?

I've found upper/lower receivers, internals for those and barrel/gasblock/tube locally but am having problems locating some of the "little" things like forestock delta ring/retainer (but was able to find the spring and front retainer, go figure), nut for flash suppressor (I prefer that to a crush washer), plain-jane forestock for 20" barrel, old-style fixed buttstock with storage, &c.

TIA

Tigger 05-13-2015 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3197598)
Any recommendations for places to buy miscellaneous AR-15/M-16 parts online?

I've found upper/lower receivers, internals for those and barrel/gasblock/tube locally but am having problems locating some of the "little" things like forestock delta ring/retainer (but was able to find the spring and front retainer, go figure), nut for flash suppressor (I prefer that to a crush washer), plain-jane forestock for 20" barrel, old-style fixed buttstock with storage, &c.

TIA


Armalite. :tup:

synolimit 05-16-2015 09:00 AM

Keep loading?

Yesterday I finished my testing with some reloads I wasn't supposed to do. I posted before about AA4064 and some people including Accurate said it wasn't tested but pressures should be there etc etc. AA4064 was the only thing on the shelf and with so many saying it's like IMR4064 which does have manual loading data, I'm stubborn and just wanted to do it!

I tested before with Hornady 75gr BTHP with 22.5gr, 23.5gr, 24.0gr and 24.5gr but the sun was messing up my Pro Chrono for more then half the shots. Hell all the 22.5gr loads said 1400-1500ftps haha. So I went out again with just 24.0gr as I determened that was best based on cases fired, some velocities, and frankly I just couldnt do 24.5gr because they were so compressed in the brass the hollow point was deforming from the die making the OAL over 2.26" as it squeezed the tip longer an pinched the sides.

With the 24.0gr I can only load LC brass with the 75gr's. All others and .223 brass has the powder filling the case all the way up into the neck. Even with LC brass the loads still compressed but hey, some like that.

I shot 10 rounds before moving to sighting in, I was at 15 feet with a Pro Chrono Pal, at 52 degrees outside with my HM Defence triple hone 1:8 16" barrel, again shooting AA4064 with LC brass and Hornady 75gr BTHP. Pretty close!

1. 2469
2. 2455
3. 2455
4. 2469
5. 2460
6. 2460
7. 2450
8. 2473
9. 2492
10. 2487

I was hoping for 2500ftps but I guess close enough d/t powder and bullet weight. The gun was sighted in for some older loads of I think Hornady 68gr BTHP and H322 which is a crazy fast powder.

First 2 shots not bad for no sighting in!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psc9bbl8du.jpg



The wife also had some nice shots with a nice group!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...pshlaauqwa.jpg


Only thing I'm worried about is we shot about 90 rounds. The more we shot the more off we got. Anyone have a clue why that is? It did heat up closer to 60*, the wind was blowing at times, and I do have a $100 UTG scope. By the last 5 rounds I was down about 2" and had to click up on the scope. Something tells me the scopes not perfect for a ton of shots. Should I keep loading and not worry? Long as she can head shot with this rifle we built, she and I will be happy.

SouthArk370Z 05-16-2015 01:12 PM

Let the barrel cool off and see if it's still shooting "wild." If so, I'd try giving the barrel a good cleaning. If that doesn't help, I'd look at the scope, bedding, &c.

synolimit 05-16-2015 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3199954)
Let the barrel cool off and see if it's still shooting "wild." If so, I'd try giving the barrel a good cleaning. If that doesn't help, I'd look at the scope, bedding, &c.

Not wild but low. Back home now, all clean etc. if it was the gun then next time out I'll be low. If its on still then it's gotta be the scope right? I did have 2 10-15 round full bursts so the scope did see some vibration.

Rusty 05-18-2015 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 3197598)
Any recommendations for places to buy miscellaneous AR-15/M-16 parts online?

I've found upper/lower receivers, internals for those and barrel/gasblock/tube locally but am having problems locating some of the "little" things like forestock delta ring/retainer (but was able to find the spring and front retainer, go figure), nut for flash suppressor (I prefer that to a crush washer), plain-jane forestock for 20" barrel, old-style fixed buttstock with storage, &c.

TIA

Here.

http://www.brownells.com/search/inde...arts&ksubmit=y

Rusty 05-18-2015 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Synergy (Post 3200000)
Not wide but low. Back home now, all clean etc. if it was the gun then next time out I'll be low. If its on still then it's gotta be the scope right? I did have 2 10-15 round full bursts so the scope did see some vibration.

Make sure your barrel nut is tight, and your scope mounts. Look into your scope through the big end. As you are looking through it. Focus on the cross hairs. Now tap the side of the scope to see if the cross hairs wiggle.

synolimit 05-18-2015 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3200817)
Make sure your barrel nut is tight, and your scope mounts. Look into your scope through the big end. As you are looking through it. Focus on the cross hairs. Now tap the side of the scope to see if the cross hairs wiggle.

Nope all's good.

Rusty 05-18-2015 09:14 PM

Next time out. Check your zero. Shoot slow. Take your time. After that. If your group doesn't change. Shoot a rapid bunch or two. See what happens to your group. If it starts to string out. Vert or Hor in a some what straight line. Something is pushing the barrel when it gets hot. Let the gun cool off. Then shoot a slow bunch again. And see what the group looks like.

Have a 7mm Rem Mag that would shoot dime size groups all day long. Long as the barrel didn't get too warm. Once warm, it would start to go vert with each shot. Found that the stock had a tit at the end that just touched the barrel. When the barrel heated up. It would push the point of impact up with each shot. Since I fixed it. It will shoot dime size groups no matter the barrel temp now.


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