Now hopefully, he can get on with his life. But I think it's going to be rough for a while. He needs to go to someplace that doesn't know him, like WV.

Not trying to stir things up, this is more about curiosity and meaningful discussion.
With firearms/2A comes self defense and the legal use of firearms.

There has been some very dramatic views on this, even with like minded people.

What are you guys' thoughts on the Chad Read shooting in Texas?

It's hard to separate the moral and legal side of this shooting especial considering the whole thing started with a child visitation issue. I have seen men broken over mothers playing games with child visitation. We could sit here for hours talking about how broken our family court systems are but lets keep this to the shooting.

TBH I initially thought Kyle Carruth was not justified and it was murder. Now I think he was legally justified but on the moral side of the things was wrong. Hindsight is 20/20, I wonder if I would have taken the shot.

Think about it this way. A guy, rightfully or not, yelling at my girlfriend would not leave my property after being told to leave. When I get my gun, which is legal for me to do, and tell the guy to leave again, he gets in my face and physically makes bodily contact with me saying "You better use it mother fucker or I'll take it and use it on you.". He touches my gun which causes me to shoot a round at his feet. (TBH this might have been a ND due to the scuffle). Then the guy grabs my gun and tries to take it away from me but end up flinging me off of my porch. FYI In Texas the porch of a house is considered part of the house/domicile. He squares up and looks like he is about to charge me. In fear for my life and the safety of others, I shoot him ending the threat.

Could you honestly say you wouldn't have shot him?

I can't help but think, what if they had been strangers?
What if it comes out that Chad Read was abusive and violent person?
What would have happened if Read had been able to get control of Carruth's gun?


What are you guys' thoughts on this?

I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier.

Video of the shooting:
https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/stat...09493512077312

I don't know the exact law is there. But my guess he's going to jail. Just chest bumping, no contact with fists, feet or objects in hand. :icon14:

Texas has some looser laws when it comes to self defense on one’s property and more importantly in one’s house. That’s why I brought up the porch and that it is considered part of the house in Texas law. Legally, Read entered Carruth’s house when he approached Carruth on the porch. When Read flung Carruth off the porch he was basically kicking Carruth out of his house, legally. If you read Texas law Carruth was legal with in the letter of the law. Doesn’t mean I like it and question Carruth motives in this situation. I feel there is more to this that the public doesn’t know but the impression I’m getting is Carruth probably will not get charged and even if he does no jury in that part of Texas will convict him.

I watched the video. I agree with the self defense part of it. The only iffy part is that Carruth didn't turn and shoot in one motion after being thrown off the porch and Read didn't come after him after he threw him. Carruth actually hesitated and took aim before pulling the trigger. But I'm sure I would have done the same thing. Heat of the moment.

Supposedly Read was taking a step towards Carruth when he shot him. Carruth hesitating, the “warning” shot, him getting a gun when Read wasn’t being violent, them standing casually after the shooting, while legal makes the situation feel slimy.

They were probably 8 to10' apart when Carruth took the shot. I agree, all of what you say is exactly how it played out in the video making it look real slimy.

It was a bad shooting in my opinion. He would have been more justified when he did first bump him. Second firing a warning shot never plays well. It makes him the aggressor. The guy grabs his gun and tosses him but does not continue to pursue him. There is time and opportunity for him to retreat and move away from the threat. He does not!

AZ law states that you can threaten to use deadly force if someone is on your property and will not leave but you cannot use such force until you are fearing for your life. I suspect that will be what this case will hing on!

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Just ordered a Glock 22 service pistol off of GunBroker. Something to mess with and get a 9mm barrel for it too.
The BF sale shipped. Got the AR500 torso and stand. Now I can compete with the church for ringing bells.

On another note. School shooting across the state from me. 4 day old hand gun in the hands of a 15yr old. sad

Very sad indeed. Sucks that these kids died but like usual the media started talking about gun control before the bodies were even cold. The same media that is still calling the Christmas Parade attack a “car accident”. :shakes head:

Considering that the gun was 4 days old makes me wonder if the father was a new gun owner. I’m guessing if the kid had access to a gun before then he might have done the shooting sooner. If the father was new to guns then he might have not had proper storage and/or he didn’t realize how troubled his son was. Either way that father must be devastated.

Got a new anti cant level for my RPR. :tup:

https://accuracy1st.com/collections/...ized-Aluminum/

For Christmas, I told the wifey. Either a Lab Radar or a Primal Rights priming tool. Which one that was in stock. The Lab Radar is out of stock and no back order for now. So she got me the Primal Rights priming tool. :tup:

https://www.primalrights.com/reloading-equipment

Gotta love Chris!

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

For Christmas. We give each other a list with the items we want with links. Takes the guess work and disappointment out of it. The list may have 10 items on it. And I say pick 4 or 5 things off of it to get for me. Everyone is happy now. :tup:

That is perfect!

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

I do this with my daughter too. She does this with her BF now. :tup:

Like you said, it takes the guess work and disappointment out of the equation.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

I'm working on my Rem 700 with a Bell & Carson carbon stocked 7mm Rem Mag. It decided to start doing some vertical stringing. So I free floated the barrel. Now I'm going to pillar bed the action. I'm going to use The Score High pillar bedding kit. It's my Christmas present from my daughter. :tup:

Score High Gunsmithing

I'm buying the jigs to drill the stock for the pillars myself since they're a bit pricy. I'll see how this turns out. Then I'll do my 243 BDL.

Also on my 7mm Rem mag. I'm installing a Micro Bastard Muzzle Brake. I have a Fat Bastard on my 338 LM. The recoil on it is like my 243. :tup:

https://www.americanprecisionarms.co...18482358583393

Both parents have been charged with involuntary manslaughter for giving the boy access to the gun.

They bought him the pistol for Christmas. :facepalm:

Not sure what I think about this but the parents did do "Stupid".

So many things went wrong and like many school shootings red flags were ignored. Makes me wonder if the parents really knew their son. :(

I’m not sure how I feel about the parents getting charged but they are not innocent in all this.

Just found out that at least the Mom was aware of the shooter’s problems. She texted the shooter “Don’t do it” when the news of the shooting started to break.

If they knew he had issues then they should be charged. :mad:

Edit: Also the dad went immediately home, looking for the pistol before they even know it was their son. :mad:

They knew he had issues. I bet they bought the gun as a pacifier. Wrong type of pacifier. Should have stuck a baby pacifier in his mouth or his mother's tit, and not put a gun in his hand. :shakes head:

Now you have Alec Baldwin saying that he didn't pull the trigger on the gun that killed that director. He said that he pulled the hammer back and when he let it go, it snapped back and fired. He had to have his finger on the trigger for that to happen.

He didn't do himself any good with that interview. If he knew any better. Why was he pointing the gun at her at all? :confused: what gets me. He said that production should hire a cop to check the guns. He IS production. He's the ex producer. And I know cops that know very little about guns. :icon14:

Yep, he's digging himself a hole. Said he didn't feel any guilt either because it wasnt his responsibility. What an azzhole

He had the final responsible of that gun. He was the last to handle it. He should have checked it himself.

Now with a period correct Colt SAA revolver that has the firing pin on the hammer instead of a frame firing pin with transfer bar, it is possible to set off a round by letting go on a partially pulled back hammer. Highly unlikely though. There is a reason for the phrase “Going off half cocked”. From the half cocked there usually isn’t enough force to set off the round. If the sear did fail, on a period correct SAA, the round would go off. Do I believe AB? **** no.

Yep! Regardless if he pulled the trigger or pulled the hammer back on a faulty revolver he pointed a gun at some one. He is responsible. The fact he is trying to blame other people and equipment is really slimy. :mad:

I bought a Tipton gun vise last month. Make it easier to work on my rifles. Cabela's had it on the shelf. :tup:

Which one would you take, VP9L or VP9T with a PMM Comp?


http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1638592786

Dad did a 'strawman' purchase. He bought the gun for Junior as a 'Christmas present'. Junior is an unqualified person, per the current regulations (all gun laws are infringements). Firearm was unsecured in a bedside table and Junior had been busted for searching 'ammo' during school hours. Parents refused to remove Junior from school because of 'concerns'. Kid unloads on other students less than 2 hours after 'meeting'. They all need to fry. :shakes head:

A lot of more info has come out after I made that post. Parents definitely need to be held responsible. I bet they were "not my son" parents, never believing the red flags people were pointing out. This tragedy could have been prevented. So many missed opportunities by the parents and school to catch him before it happened. I'm still scratching my head on why the school didn't search his bag after seeing that note. A note like that, with his history, in the late 90s, even before Columbine, would have gotten his stuff searched at my high school. People being too worried about hurting peoples feelings cause a lot more issues than it solves.

I do feel that the parents need to be held responsible in some way but I'm not sure involuntary manslaughter charges are appropriate. In another discussion I was in some one brought up what if the shooter had used a knife or a car? Some people were saying the only reason that the parents were charged because a gun was used. Some lawyers are saying the parents have been over charged and this might cause them to not be convicted. Now the parents running doesn't help their case and that was very stupid of them. Kind of points to them not making wise decisions.

Just a thought, my dad bought me a pistol while I was in high school. I never had direct control over it and my dad was careful to keep all the guns locked up. Parents buying pistols for their underage kids is not a new thing and not irresponsible. Ignoring the signs that your kid might have issues and buying him a gun anyway, then not securing it is irresponsible.

I got a rifle at 16, but I'd been through hunter safety and other training. :tup:

I'm not sure how the prosecutor came up with 'involuntary manslaughter' for the parents, in some respects, it smacks of over-reach. However, the parents 'fleeing' and being arrested/located in the basement of a commercial building says 'I'm a moron and can't face up to my chit'. It's not quite 'interstate flight to avoid prosecution', but it is probably considered 'flight to avoid prosecution'. The 4473 asks if the person buying the firearm is the 'final owner', so a case could be made that it was a 'strawman' purchase. That one is above my paygrade. :rofl2:

For the record, If any of you saw my now deleted post, the video I was referencing was from 2020. YouTube for some reason was recommending it like it was new.

My bad guys.

I seen it and replied to it. Then it was gone. I went WTF! Here was my reply.

Every once in a while in Pa. Our system will go down for maintenance, overload, or tech issues. But it's back up in a few hours.