How much boost pressure can a built VQ37VHR withstand?

BBRSpeedWorks · 11-04-2014, 07:45 AM

I wonder if he means maxed on pump gas. That would make more since as far as max out the turbo...but idk. I know they read different. But if it's pump I understand but e 85 I don't him should able to push more psi with race gas or e85. My talons on e85..

jwick · 11-04-2014, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BBRSpeedWorks

I wonder if he means maxed on pump gas. That would make more since as far as max out the turbo...but idk. I know they read different. But if it's pump I understand but e 85 I don't him should able to push more psi with race gas or e85. My talons on e85..

TopgunZ runs E85

jwick · 11-04-2014, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BBRSpeedWorks

I understand that but I wouldn't think it would be that low...my talon made 502 awhp on a 6266 32psi on mustang dyno.....how the he'll is my little 4 banger any where close to the 370z..that's what I don't understand. .

My tuners Mustang read 13-15% low. I've seen some that read as much as 20% low.

BBRSpeedWorks · 11-04-2014, 09:01 AM

Idk then time for a bigger turbo...lol..

TopgunZ · 11-04-2014, 09:20 AM

Sorry just re-chiming in here. I have never tuned off pump. Always E.

That max psi is situational. The #'s may be off. That's why when I stated "I may be off here but I cant see this turbo hitting more than 21", was due to the condition of my readings.

Basically, I only had that turbo spooled up like that for a short amount of time. I never even hit 5250 to cross the two line curves. As you can see though, the torque does flatten out and the boost wasn't appearing to climb much at that point.

This reading happened because I was told incorrectly by everyone and their dog how to hook up my dual wastegates to a MBC. Everyone was wrong so my turbo basically was unrestricted and spooled as much as possible. I of course figured out how to hook it up correctly and then made 533whp 480tq on 10psi (converted to DJ).

Converting the 570 to DJ would be more like 655tq. No idea what my HP would have been but it would be over 700 for sure.

We never got to play with timing or anything cuz we couldn't run that amount of boost to map it correctly on the stock block. But I can tell you that this turbo means business! Hearing it spool at that psi was insane. Cant wait to see what it can do with a proper engine and tune.

TopgunZ · 11-04-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BBRSpeedWorks

Idk then time for a bigger turbo...lol..

You could go to the 6766 but I still think that you will be happy with the amount of boost and near zero lag from the 6266. Throwing a huge turbo on a low compression engine isn't going to be very fun on the streets. That's why I am building mine with 11:1 cr but I am on E85. I don't see a reason you would need more than 21 lbs anyway. Unless time slips are your number one goal.

jwick · 11-04-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Sorry just re-chiming in here. I have never tuned off pump. Always E.

That max psi is situational. The #'s may be off. That's why when I stated "I may be off here but I cant see this turbo hitting more than 21", was due to the condition of my readings.

Basically, I only had that turbo spooled up like that for a short amount of time. I never even hit 5250 to cross the two line curves. As you can see though, the torque does flatten out and the boost wasn't appearing to climb much at that point.

This reading happened because I was told incorrectly by everyone and their dog how to hook up my dual wastegates to a MBC. Everyone was wrong so my turbo basically was unrestricted and spooled as much as possible. I of course figured out how to hook it up correctly and then made 533whp 480tq on 10psi (converted to DJ).

Converting the 570 to DJ would be more like 655tq. No idea what my HP would have been but it would be over 700 for sure.

Back up the truck! I clearly remember having a Sunday morning conversation with you about this issue and how you should have plumbed the WGs. It was post-tune so maybe your comment is prior to tuning and then maybe you did get some bad advice.

You told me that your MBC failed and you just removed it and plumbed the two lines together. That action basically welded your WGs shut because you were adding equal pressure holding them closed as you were adding to open them.

TopgunZ · 11-04-2014, 09:39 AM

Also, I am tuning at 5,500 ft which does affect the turbo spool. So if I was at sea level that 21 could have been closer to 25.

Here is a quick write up on this.

Boost and High Elevation question.

BBRSpeedWorks · 11-04-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Sorry just re-chiming in here. I have never tuned off pump. Always E.

That max psi is situational. The #'s may be off. That's why when I stated "I may be off here but I cant see this turbo hitting more than 21", was due to the condition of my readings.

Basically, I only had that turbo spooled up like that for a short amount of time. I never even hit 5250 to cross the two line curves. As you can see though, the torque does flatten out and the boost wasn't appearing to climb much at that point.

This reading happened because I was told incorrectly by everyone and their dog how to hook up my dual wastegates to a MBC. Everyone was wrong so my turbo basically was unrestricted and spooled as much as possible. I of course figured out how to hook it up correctly and then made 533whp 480tq on 10psi (converted to DJ).

Converting the 570 to DJ would be more like 655tq. No idea what my HP would have been but it would be over 700 for sure.

We never got to play with timing or anything cuz we couldn't run that amount of boost to map it correctly on the stock block. But I can tell you that this turbo means business! Hearing it spool at that psi was insane. Cant wait to see what it can do with a proper engine and tune.

I hope you don't think I was coming of wrong. I wasn't trying to. but the reason I don't think it was maxed it never fell off..maybe ur waste just opened at 20 cuz it held right there till the end of your run...and that was a stock wtf...lol..

TopgunZ · 11-04-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick

Back up the truck! I clearly remember having a Sunday morning conversation with you about this issue and how you should have plumbed the WGs. It was post-tune so maybe your comment is prior to tuning and then maybe you did get some bad advice.

You told me that your MBC failed and you just removed it and plumbed the two lines together. That action basically welded your WGs shut because you were adding equal pressure holding them closed as you were adding to open them.

Jwick,

When I spoke to you, you had advised me to hook it up the same way everyone else had. Even my tuner during the dyno and the 4 guys that worked at the shop said that the way it was, was correct. So we had all assumed that the MBC was bad. I eventually figured out you leave both top ends open, T into the bottom and into the MBC. I proved this out on the street when I was able to adjust it around 2 psi over spring pressure.

By removing the MBC I was then just running off of WG spring pressure.

TopgunZ · 11-04-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BBRSpeedWorks

I hope you don't think I was coming of wrong. I wasn't trying to. but the reason I don't think it was maxed it never fell off..maybe ur waste just opened at 20 cuz it held right there till the end of your run...and that was a stock wtf...lol..

Absolutely not man. I was just simply stating the condition of my pull. Like I said, it could have raised with a proper full pull. I was only able to pull into the high 4K range. Plus my injectors were at 110% duty cycle...LOl.. Amazed it held together even at that low rpm's. It may have been still climbing in psi and im sure it could have hit 2 to 3 more. The graph is what it is. I looked at it as kind of plateauing around that 20 range though. Maybe im looking at it wrong.

jwick · 11-04-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Jwick,

When I spoke to you, you had advised me to hook it up the same way everyone else had. Even my tuner during the dyno and the 4 guys that worked at the shop said that the way it was, was correct. So we had all assumed that the MBC was bad. I eventually figured out you leave both top ends open, T into the bottom and into the MBC. I proved this out on the street when I was able to adjust it around 2 psi over spring pressure.

By removing the MBC I was then just running off of WG spring pressure.

Not true. I told you how to hook up a typical MBC with the caveat that you needed to research the requirements of your specific one because I was not familiar with it.

When you removed the MBC you told me that you plumbed those two lines off the controller together and continued the tuning session. That is definitely not running off WG pressure. I really wish I still had the diagram you sent me.

Don't take shots at people trying to help you when you didn't do the research you needed to get it right.

Sorry OP for the thread jack

TopgunZ · 11-04-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick

Not true. I told you how to hook up a typical MBC with the caveat that you needed to research the requirements of your specific one because I was not familiar with it.

When you removed the MBC you told me that you plumbed those two lines off the controller together and continued the tuning session. That is definitely not running off WG pressure. I really wish I still had the diagram you sent me.

Don't take shots at people trying to help you when you didn't do the research you needed to get it right.

Sorry OP for the thread jack

Chill out man. When exactly in this thread did I "take a shot at you". I said "everybody and their dog" and not, "Jwick and everybody else". Then you chimed in defending yourself, whom I didn't even mention, putting yourself in the spotlight.

Yeah I totally threw your name under the bus here.

FPenvy · 11-04-2014, 10:46 AM

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11-04-2014, 07:45 AM	#61 (permalink)
BBRSpeedWorks Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Ft. Stwart Posts: 366 Drives: 370z,350z,300z,talon Rep Power: 11	I wonder if he means maxed on pump gas. That would make more since as far as max out the turbo...but idk. I know they read different. But if it's pump I understand but e 85 I don't him should able to push more psi with race gas or e85. My talons on e85.. __________________ God'Z Gift.

11-04-2014, 09:01 AM	#64 (permalink)
BBRSpeedWorks Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Ft. Stwart Posts: 366 Drives: 370z,350z,300z,talon Rep Power: 11	Idk then time for a bigger turbo...lol.. __________________ God'Z Gift.

11-04-2014, 09:20 AM	#65 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6833	Sorry just re-chiming in here. I have never tuned off pump. Always E. That max psi is situational. The #'s may be off. That's why when I stated "I may be off here but I cant see this turbo hitting more than 21", was due to the condition of my readings. Basically, I only had that turbo spooled up like that for a short amount of time. I never even hit 5250 to cross the two line curves. As you can see though, the torque does flatten out and the boost wasn't appearing to climb much at that point. This reading happened because I was told incorrectly by everyone and their dog how to hook up my dual wastegates to a MBC. Everyone was wrong so my turbo basically was unrestricted and spooled as much as possible. I of course figured out how to hook it up correctly and then made 533whp 480tq on 10psi (converted to DJ). Converting the 570 to DJ would be more like 655tq. No idea what my HP would have been but it would be over 700 for sure. We never got to play with timing or anything cuz we couldn't run that amount of boost to map it correctly on the stock block. But I can tell you that this turbo means business! Hearing it spool at that psi was insane. Cant wait to see what it can do with a proper engine and tune. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM Last edited by TopgunZ; 11-04-2014 at 09:26 AM.

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TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6833	Also, I am tuning at 5,500 ft which does affect the turbo spool. So if I was at sea level that 21 could have been closer to 25. Here is a quick write up on this. Boost and High Elevation question. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

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