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Spooler 06-06-2019 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3858410)
MA-Motorsports recommended and installed a CSF Triple Pass radiator for my build (replacing the Mishimoto) So far - So good, although I haven't been out with the car on a really hot day the temps have been OK.
There's a lot packed in there besides the radiator looking for airflow.
The massive CJM I/C and the heat exchangers for the oil cooler and air conditioner.

I have a CSF triple pass also. Ron Davis would have been better. I am keeping my stock radiator real close just in case the CSF starts leaking.

JLarson 06-06-2019 07:11 AM

A question for those of you with these extreme builds going on - what kind of preventive maintenance do you do? Is it like a1x per week thing where you pop the hood and check all the fluids, or every time before you start the car? Are you putting a tray down under the car as a sort of early warning system?

Spooler 06-06-2019 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3858440)
A question for those of you with these extreme builds going on - what kind of preventive maintenance do you do? Is it like a1x per week thing where you pop the hood and check all the fluids, or every time before you start the car? Are you putting a tray down under the car as a sort of early warning system?

Building a spare motor. LMAO.

I check my oil at least once a week anyway. If I detect any oil usage i will check more often. My car is parked on concrete in a carport/garage. I will see a leak if I have one.

Hotrodz 06-06-2019 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3858440)
A question for those of you with these extreme builds going on - what kind of preventive maintenance do you do? Is it like a1x per week thing where you pop the hood and check all the fluids, or every time before you start the car? Are you putting a tray down under the car as a sort of early warning system?

I was pretty OCD with mine and I guess I still am even with the Miata lol. I check the oil and coolant levels once a week. I check for oil leaks constantly especially before and after track days. I change my oil every 2500 miles or after two track days. I change all other fluids once a year or sooner if needed. It is way over kill but my OEM motor lasted five years of boost and abuse with the last three being 80% track time.

Hotrodz 06-06-2019 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3858410)
MA-Motorsports recommended and installed a CSF Triple Pass radiator for my build (replacing the Mishimoto) So far - So good, although I haven't been out with the car on a really hot day the temps have been OK.
There's a lot packed in there besides the radiator looking for airflow.
The massive CJM I/C and the heat exchangers for the oil cooler and air conditioner.

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858438)
I have a CSF triple pass also. Ron Davis would have been better. I am keeping my stock radiator real close just in case the CSF starts leaking.

I will be curious to see what your guys experience will be. I know Elmo will be installing a Ron Davis radiator. I didn't have any issue with cooling with the OEM radiator even in traffic. I remember driving in Phoenix AZ during rush hour in early July. It was 126* and I had the AC on max. My oil temp never got more than 235 and the water temp never moved more than the 6 or 7 dots.

I have had several conversation with Sebastian about adding a triple core radiator and his recommendation was to stay with the OEM radiator. His reasoning was issues with the CSF leaking issues and for both of them that the thickness of the radiator would not eliminate heating concerns because it would require more airflow to cool being behind the FMIC and oil cooler. So far after adding hood vents and opening up my front bumper I have had any issues with water temps on the track even when temps reach a 100* to about 107. I skip most track day that I know will be 100* plus.

Spooler 06-06-2019 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3858440)
A question for those of you with these extreme builds going on - what kind of preventive maintenance do you do? Is it like a1x per week thing where you pop the hood and check all the fluids, or every time before you start the car? Are you putting a tray down under the car as a sort of early warning system?

In all seriousness. I will be OCD like crazy for the first month or two checking everything constantly. It will take some time for me to build trust up in the car since a total upgrade. I do expect some small issues to deal with. It's part of it and you will find those along the way. The more I drive with no issues, the more trust I will gain. You won't see, hear, or read of me hooting and hollering too much at first. That will build up over time and a smile will appear on my face. Guess I am just weird. I have done this several times before, it is normally me turning the wrenches so this will be a first for me. If I find any issues I will just fix it and move on pretty quickly.

JLarson 06-06-2019 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858483)
In all seriousness. I will be OCD like crazy for the first month or two checking everything constantly. It will take some time for me to build trust up in the car since a total upgrade. I do expect some small issues to deal with. It's part of it and you will find those along the way. The more I drive with no issues, the more trust I will gain. You won't see, hear, or read of me hooting and hollering too much at first. That will build up over time and a smile will appear on my face. Guess I am just weird. I have done this several times before, it is normally me turning the wrenches so this will be a first for me. If I find any issues I will just fix it and move on pretty quickly.

I appreciate the insights. While my build will not be nearly as extreme, I'm trying to get an idea of what's "normal" with PM on an FI car.

Spooler 06-06-2019 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3858484)
I appreciate the insights. While my build will not be nearly as extreme, I'm trying to get an idea of what's "normal" with PM on an FI car.

Everything is stepped up a notch. I will do 3k oil changes, not the 4k I was doing before. You watch and check everything like a hawk. Diff fluid and tranny fluid changes stay about the same. Any track driving and that interval get's shortened. The biggest thing is tires. I know I am going to run through rear tires. That can get expensive quick. This will dictate how much I get to drive my car for the most part. The more the better to me.

Hotrodz 06-06-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858487)
Everything is stepped up a notch. I will do 3k oil changes, not the 4k I was doing before. You watch and check everything like a hawk. Diff fluid and tranny fluid changes stay about the same. Any track driving and that interval get's shortened. The biggest thing is tires. I know I am going to run through rear tires. That can get expensive quick. This will dictate how much I get to drive my car for the most part. The more the better to me.

Plan on 6k to 12k for rear tires depending on the tire. I would get 8 to 12k on RE-11s back in the day.

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Spooler 06-06-2019 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3858508)
Plan on 6k to 12k for rear tires depending on the tire. I would get 8 to 12k on RE-11s back in the day.

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Yeap, I figured I would be doing good to get 10k. I don't do burnouts or donuts too much anymore. LOL They get into your pocketbook quick with a tire bill.

Hotrodz 06-06-2019 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JLarson (Post 3858484)
I appreciate the insights. While my build will not be nearly as extreme, I'm trying to get an idea of what's "normal" with PM on an FI car.

Most the maintenance is the same as you probably do now. From what I know about you are very good about making sure you car is well maintained. As Spooler said most the first year is about making sure everything is operating as it is supposed to. I had things like oil return line clamp failing. I noticed a small, less than a teaspoon puddle of oil on the floor of the garage. I had an injector go bad due to bad fuel. The biggest thing is hoses and lines coming undone or falling over time.

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URBiN~HURMiT 06-06-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858438)
I have a CSF triple pass also. Ron Davis would have been better. I am keeping my stock radiator real close just in case the CSF starts leaking.

I seem to remember Daelen telling me that the 'leaking' problem with the CSF's had been addressed and corrected...could be wrong though ... it was over 2 years ago.

Spooler 06-06-2019 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3858670)
I seem to remember Daelen telling me that the 'leaking' problem with the CSF's had been addressed and corrected...could be wrong though ... it was over 2 years ago.

I am prepared for whatever. I am classifying it as a maintenance item to replace every 2 years if need be. If it dies in a couple of months my factory one will go back in and I won't think twice about it.

URBiN~HURMiT 06-07-2019 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858678)
I am prepared for whatever. I am classifying it as a maintenance item to replace every 2 years if need be. If it dies in a couple of months my factory one will go back in and I won't think twice about it.

I've come to realize that you are hands on, knowledgeable, and competent with your Z.
I, on the other hand, didn't quite know what I was getting in to when I started this project - and even though I've seen it through and have learned a ton of stuff so far - it seems that I'm always playing catch up with every turn in the road.
It's been a hoot to say the least.
:tiphat: Hat's off to all of those who have ventured into this journey and have successfully reached the finish line with their builds.

Hotrodz 06-07-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3858824)
I've come to realize that you are hands on, knowledgeable, and competent with your Z.

I, on the other hand, didn't quite know what I was getting in to when I started this project - and even though I've seen it through and have learned a ton of stuff so far - it seems that I'm always playing catch up with every turn in the road.

It's been a hoot to say the least.

:tiphat: Hat's off to all of those who have ventured into this journey and have successfully reached the finish line with their builds.

LMAO, it is a never ending journey. I started the same way you did and be came educated out self defense and self intrest. I really lucked out by having stumbled onto Specialty Z in 2012 and Fast Intentions in 2013. Between the two those shops I have learned and continue to learn new stuff all the time.

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1slow370 06-07-2019 07:08 PM

STAGE 3! Just do it driving is over-rated

Spooler 06-09-2019 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3858561)
Most the maintenance is the same as you probably do now. From what I know about you are very good about making sure you car is well maintained. As Spooler said most the first year is about making sure everything is operating as it is supposed to. I had things like oil return line clamp failing. I noticed a small, less than a teaspoon puddle of oil on the floor of the garage. I had an injector go bad due to bad fuel. The biggest thing is hoses and lines coming undone or falling over time.

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Was that bad fuel when you were running pump E85?

Spooler 06-09-2019 12:05 AM

Clutch parts should be in the first of the week. They have been sitting in NY since Wednesday. Not sure if my Trackspec vents have shipped. No email on it. Guess I need to call them Monday.

jchammond 06-09-2019 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859144)
Was that bad fuel when you were running pump E85?

Hotrodz knows what the “Good-Stuff” is :tup:
So many different things can happen with one dose of bad fuel :icon14: probably much more lenient with a bad tank on a stock everything.....but boosting & more than twicing the mfg. HP/TQ could cause a big problem with junk in the tank :wtf2:

Spooler 06-09-2019 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3859155)
Hotrodz knows what the “Good-Stuff” is :tup:
So many different things can happen with one dose of bad fuel :icon14: probably much more lenient with a bad tank on a stock everything.....but boosting & more than twicing the mfg. HP/TQ could cause a big problem with junk in the tank :wtf2:

We all know what the good stuff is. Ignite E90/Red. You can't daily drive on that stuff though. Too pricey. That's just reality.

Hotrodz 06-09-2019 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859144)
Was that bad fuel when you were running pump E85?

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3859155)
Hotrodz knows what the “Good-Stuff” is :tup:
So many different things can happen with one dose of bad fuel :icon14: probably much more lenient with a bad tank on a stock everything.....but boosting & more than twicing the mfg. HP/TQ could cause a big problem with junk in the tank :wtf2:

Yes I had two separate incidents, one was with the fuel pump and the other was with the injector going bad. Yes, I limit the use of pump e85 because of those issues. Seb and Tony figured out how to avoid the fuel pump issue as the issue was with the fuel pump and the manufacture would not own it but they came out with a e85 fuel pump several month and many complaints later.

Elmo370z 06-09-2019 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3859202)
Yes I had two separate incidents, one was with the fuel pump and the other was with the injector going bad. Yes, I limit the use of pump e85 because of those issues. Seb and Tony figured out how to avoid the fuel pump issue as the issue was with the fuel pump and the manufacture would not own it but they came out with a e85 fuel pump several month and many complaints later.

So you just run pump gas most of the time?
No real way to tell if the pump e85 is bad until it’s to late?

Hotrodz 06-09-2019 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3859300)
So you just run pump gas most of the time?
No real way to tell if the pump e85 is bad until it’s to late?

I still run pump e85...I just do it sparingly. I run e90 better known as Ignite 114. I think out west, mostly AZ and NV the e-whatever can be not as clean as you fine in other states. I will probably get pump e85 straight from distributor that way it is clean and e75 or better.

redondoaveb 06-09-2019 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3859304)
I still run pump e85...I just do it sparingly. I run e90 better known as Ignite 114. I think out west, mostly AZ and NV the e-whatever can be not as clean as you fine in other states. I will probably get pump e85 straight from distributor that way it is clean and e75 or better.

There are a couple of e85 stations fairly close to me. The one I go to is a Propel station, it's listed on the pump that the minimum ethanol contect that they pump is e72. There's a closer off brand station closer to me but if you look at their pump, the minimum they can pump is e55. Needless to say, I'll only go to the Propel station even though by the time I get home it's already dropped one dot on the gauge. :rofl2:

You really have to read the pump to make sure you're getting the highest ethanol content.

Hotrodz 06-09-2019 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3859306)
There are a couple of e85 stations fairly close to me. The one I go to is a Propel station, it's listed on the pump that the minimum ethanol contect that they pump is e72. There's a closer off brand station closer to me but if you look at their pump, the minimum they can pump is e55. Needless to say, I'll only go to the Propel station even though by the time I get home it's already dropped one dot on the gauge. :rofl2:

You really have to read the pump to make sure you're getting the highest ethanol content.

LOL, yeah guys in Cali have good e85 and Propel is the best of the pump e85. In AZ they just call it flex fuel which mean it is a minimum of e56.

redondoaveb 06-09-2019 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3859316)
LOL, yeah guys in Cali have good e85 and Propel is the best of the pump e85. In AZ they just call it flex fuel which mean it is a minimum of e56.

After running a few tanks of Propel after draining the 91 octane, I've actually seen e84 on my ethanol gauge.

Spooler 06-09-2019 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3859327)
After running a few tanks of Propel after draining the 91 octane, I've actually seen e84 on my ethanol gauge.

You guys are lucky. I have one station in Savannah. I do have several Gate stations in Jacksonville, one not far from our office. That's Dew pickup point before heading home when I go.

redondoaveb 06-09-2019 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859361)
You guys are lucky. I have one station in Savannah. I do have several Gate stations in Jacksonville, one not far from our office. That's Dew pickup point before heading home when I go.

What are you going to run if you daily your car?

Hotrodz 06-09-2019 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859361)
You guys are lucky. I have one station in Savannah. I do have several Gate stations in Jacksonville, one not far from our office. That's Dew pickup point before heading home when I go.

You need to invest in a couple of 55 gallon barrels.

Spooler 06-09-2019 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3859362)
What are you going to run if you daily your car?

Pump E85 if the station will stay in stock.

Spooler 06-09-2019 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3859363)
You need to invest in a couple of 55 gallon barrels.

More like 4- 55 gallon drums. We shall have to wait and see. Gotta get the shipping figured out.

jchammond 06-10-2019 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859368)
More like 4- 55 gallon drums. We shall have to wait and see. Gotta get the shipping figured out.

I figured you already had a pallet at the house :ugh2:
Wouldn’t hurt to put some thought into an efficient DD after you get your Z back & the newness wears off a bit...my plan is to run fuel from out of a barrel or can in whatever I decide to build; as I currently drive 500mi from tank to tank for under 30$....($26.40/12.576 gallons on 507mi last tank)....2.09 for the 87octane :wtf2:

Spooler 06-10-2019 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3859392)
I figured you already had a pallet at the house :ugh2:
Wouldn’t hurt to put some thought into an efficient DD after you get your Z back & the newness wears off a bit...my plan is to run fuel from out of a barrel or can in whatever I decide to build; as I currently drive 500mi from tank to tank for under 30$....($26.40/12.576 gallons on 507mi last tank)....2.09 for the 87octane :wtf2:

I did the daily driver crap a long time. No thanks. I am going to have fun. I may end up running 93 at the pump. Not too worried about it. I am not suffering in something I don't enjoy to drive. It makes that 104 miles a day much easier to deal with.

Spooler 06-10-2019 02:53 PM

I don't know if you guys have figured it out yet but my car will be driven. It won't set in the garage while I rub and polish on it. Forget that. I have never been like that. To the folks that are, more power to them. I built my car to drive and enjoy. That is the only way you will get your money back out of them.

Hotrodz 06-10-2019 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859540)
I don't know if you guys have figured it out yet but my car will be driven. It won't set in the garage while I rub and polish on it. Forget that. I have never been like that. To the folks that are, more power to them. I built my car to drive and enjoy. That is the only way you will get your money back out of them.

Mine only sits because it is track focused and I pound on it there. Before then I drove her all the the time. I am a utilitarian through and through. I don't by thing to sit on the shelf. Once they get to that point I sell it or give it away.

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URBiN~HURMiT 06-10-2019 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859540)
I don't know if you guys have figured it out yet but my car will be driven. It won't set in the garage while I rub and polish on it. Forget that. I have never been like that. To the folks that are, more power to them. I built my car to drive and enjoy. That is the only way you will get your money back out of them.

hmmmmm ... My calculations show that I'll be needing to drive my Z to the MOON and BACK in order to break even - almost... :owned:

Hotrodz 06-10-2019 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3859633)
hmmmmm ... My calculations show that I'll be needing to drive my Z to the MOON and BACK in order to break even - almost... :owned:

You better get after it! LMAO!!!

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Spooler 06-10-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3859636)
You better get after it! LMAO!!!

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You are halfway there. Here, hold my bear for a minute whilst I try to catch up. LMAO.

Rusty 06-10-2019 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3859645)
You are halfway there. Here, hold my bear for a minute whilst I try to catch up. LMAO.

:rofl2:

For you, it's, "hold my dew".

Spooler 06-10-2019 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rusty (Post 3859649)
:rofl2:

For you, it's, "hold my dew".

True!!!!!


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