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Spooler 05-31-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3856948)
Why would they install a clutch that was only rated at 530ft.lbs? Your cars going to make well over that.

Guess you didn't read any of my previous posts.

Daleon spec'ed the clutch with ATS. They wanted HP numbers. So we gave them what I wanted to run, 800hp. When the clutch slipped, Jon at MA contacted ATS to try and figure out what was going on. Come to find out the clutch was only spec'ed for 800hp and 530 ft/lb of torque. Everything you see from ATS is hp ratings. We had to ask for TQ ratings. So we got one to support 750 ft/lb of torque with a little wiggle room. It is what it is. So, when deciding on a clutch, make sure you ask for TQ numbers too. It's not like MA or I did this on purpose. It's just part of the process. Not many folks are crazy enough to get one of these. I chose it from Phunks advice and experience with his.

Spooler 05-31-2019 11:35 AM

Original thread when I was looking.

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...in-disk-2.html

redondoaveb 05-31-2019 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3856950)
Guess you didn't read any of my previous posts.

Daleon spec'ed the clutch with ATS. They wanted HP numbers. So we gave them what I wanted to run, 800hp. When the clutch slipped, Jon at MA contacted ATS to try and figure out what was going on. Come to find out the clutch was only spec'ed for 800hp and 530 ft/lb of torque. Everything you see from ATS is hp ratings. We had to ask for TQ ratings. So we got one to support 750 ft/lb of torque with a little wiggle room. It is what it is. So, when deciding on a clutch, make sure you ask for TQ numbers too. It's not like MA or I did this on purpose. It's just part of the process. Not many folks are crazy enough to get one of these. I chose it from Phunks advice and experience with his.

I did read your posts but missed that. That's weird that ATS would rate their clutches by hp. And you would think a clutch rated at 800hp would be rated over 530ft.lbs. I can see how you and MA figured you'd be fine. I agree, it is what it is, good thing you caught it now.

Spooler 05-31-2019 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb (Post 3856956)
I did read your posts but missed that. That's weird that ATS would rate their clutches by hp. And you would think a clutch rated at 800hp would be rated over 530ft.lbs. I can see how you and MA figured you'd be fine. I agree, it is what it is, good thing you caught it now.

I was trying to be frugal. LMAO I should have just nutted up and got the triple from the start.

This is not the only clutch I have seen rated with HP numbers. Crazyness.

JARblue 05-31-2019 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3856961)
I was trying to be frugal.

Yeah that was dumb lol

Your entire build is anything but frugal :tup: :driving:

Spooler 05-31-2019 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3856962)
Yeah that was dumb lol

Your entire build is anything but frugal :tup: :driving:

LMAO, more like a classic case of excess.... Why on earth did I get frugal on this part is beyond me. :roflpuke2:

Spooler 05-31-2019 01:45 PM

You guys ever noticed how many guests view this thread when it get's busy?

jwick 05-31-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3856963)
LMAO, more like a classic case of excess.... Why on earth did I get frugal on this part is beyond me. :roflpuke2:


I did the same dumb ****. Spent thousands and thousands on the build and saved a couple hundred bucks not buying the last clutch I’d ever need. Then my kit decided it was going to make stupid torque levels and I’ve been on the ragged edge of burning it up since I installed it.

Elmo370z 05-31-2019 10:05 PM

So I have to maybe upgrade to a triple... stupid rule

Spooler 05-31-2019 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3857083)
So I have to maybe upgrade to a triple... stupid rule

Jon will have to check what you have in your car. Then you can make an
informed decision. I know you run a normal clutch disk.

1slow370 06-01-2019 03:54 PM

Hp numbers and clutches are all bs any z clutch can hold 900hp if you bolted it to an f1 engine. The torque rating of the clutch is the only thing that matters as its a static friction element. An f1 clutch only handles about 300lbft

Rusty 06-01-2019 05:51 PM

Now you got me thinkin' about the ATS Dual Carbon with the lightweight flywheel. :shakes head:

Elmo370z 06-01-2019 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857234)
Now you got me thinkin' about the ATS Dual Carbon with the lightweight flywheel. :shakes head:

Do it, I don’t know how the carbon is to begin with but the standard twin was insane at first

Spooler 06-01-2019 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857234)
Now you got me thinkin' about the ATS Dual Carbon with the lightweight flywheel. :shakes head:

It is easy to upgrade to a triple if you ever go boosted.

Rusty 06-01-2019 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3857307)
It is easy to upgrade to a triple if you ever go boosted.

What you did to up grade got the wheels spins in my head. :shakes head:

jchammond 06-02-2019 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857311)
What you did to up grade got the wheels spins in my head. :shakes head:

That shouldn’t take much :icon17:

:stirthepot:

Spooler 06-02-2019 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857311)
What you did to up grade got the wheels spins in my head. :shakes head:

Just realize that the carbon disks aren't cheap. Everything else is very reasonable. Frictions and pressure plate are in a normal price range. I would run that stock clutch as long as I could if you are staying NA for a while.

Rusty 06-02-2019 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3857391)
Just realize that the carbon disks aren't cheap. Everything else is very reasonable. Frictions and pressure plate are in a normal price range. I would run that stock clutch as long as I could if you are staying NA for a while.

Are the carbon disks sprung or un-sprung?

Rusty 06-02-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3857343)
That shouldn’t take much :icon17:

:stirthepot:

I'm starting now to get my ducks lined up for next winter project. :tup: Pretty much know on what I want to get.

Spooler 06-02-2019 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857409)
Are the carbon disks sprung or un-sprung?

It is un-sprung. Look at the pictures and you will have an idea of how the frictions and carbon disk is setup.

Spooler 06-02-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857410)
I'm starting now to get my ducks lined up for next winter project. :tup: Pretty much know on what I want to get.

Are you doing a TT upgrade this winter or are you doing the clutch and shifter this winter by themselves. You may want to get a clutch that can hold 625 ft/lb of torque. Not sure what your future plans are.

Rusty 06-02-2019 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3857501)
Are you doing a TT upgrade this winter or are you doing the clutch and shifter this winter by themselves. You may want to get a clutch that can hold 625 ft/lb of torque. Not sure what your future plans are.

This winter, clutch, and shifter. Maybe a few smaller items.

Spooler 06-02-2019 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3857507)
This winter, clutch, and shifter. Maybe a few smaller items.

Is a TT upgrade in your future? If so, get a clutch that can support it on a stock block. That way you don't have to mess with it again.

Spooler 06-04-2019 01:22 PM

I am ready to be driving. Got the tracking number for the clutch parts. They will be in the first of next week. Holiday weekend messed up the shipping a bit. 7-10 working days for it to hit MA from Japan. I hope the ATS guy got all the parts we needed and they are correct. Fingers crossed.

Spooler 06-05-2019 10:24 AM

A sinking feeling hit me the last couple of days with this crazy heat we have been having. Sitting in traffic during an accident and watching the water temps climb due to lack of air flow. Guess I will see what happens and be ready to order some Tracspec vents for the hood.

Hotrodz 06-05-2019 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858196)
A sinking feeling hit me the last couple of days with this crazy heat we have been having. Sitting in traffic during an accident and watching the water temps climb due to lack of air flow. Guess I will see what happens and be ready to order some Tracspec vents for the hood.

Turn the heater on and the fan to high...LMAO!

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Rusty 06-05-2019 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3858202)
Turn the heater on and the fan to high...LMAO!

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Done that a time or three. :rofl2:

Spooler 06-05-2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 3858202)
Turn the heater on and the fan to high...LMAO!

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Forget that, I just ordered the dang vents.

Spooler 06-05-2019 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3858206)
Done that a time or three. :rofl2:

I have too. My 280zt, I could just pop the hood latch and the back of the hood would raise up creating a vent. Worked like a champ.

sx moneypit 06-05-2019 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858212)
I have too. My 280zt, I could just pop the hood latch and the back of the hood would raise up creating a vent. Worked like a champ.

:iagree:

sx moneypit 06-05-2019 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858196)
A sinking feeling hit me the last couple of days with this crazy heat we have been having. Sitting in traffic during an accident and watching the water temps climb due to lack of air flow. Guess I will see what happens and be ready to order some Tracspec vents for the hood.

On what car?:confused:

Spooler 06-05-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sx moneypit (Post 3858216)
On what car?:confused:

None yet. That's what will happen to me when I get my 370ztt back. It would drive me crazy on my 1975 280zt. My 1975 hood doesn't have any vents like the 1977 and 1978 280z's did.

sx moneypit 06-05-2019 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858219)
None yet. That's what will happen to me when I get my 370ztt back. It would drive me crazy on my 1975 280zt. My 1975 hood doesn't have any vents like the 1977 and 1978 280z's did.

Yeah,i liked the vents on my 77 280.I had to do the pop the hood trick on several of my 240s and 260s.

Spooler 06-05-2019 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sx moneypit (Post 3858223)
Yeah,i liked the vents on my 77 280.I had to do the pop the hood trick on several of my 240s and 260s.

Stuff a turbo in there and it get's even worse. One of my favorite Z's was my 1978 280z.

sx moneypit 06-05-2019 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858224)
Stuff a turbo in there and it get's even worse. One of my favorite Z's was my 1978 280z.

I have to admit my 77 was my favorite of all the S30s i owned mainly because it it had factory air and a 5spd.(the fuel injection was a nice touch too)

URBiN~HURMiT 06-05-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3858196)
A sinking feeling hit me the last couple of days with this crazy heat we have been having. Sitting in traffic during an accident and watching the water temps climb due to lack of air flow. Guess I will see what happens and be ready to order some Tracspec vents for the hood.

I have a dual Intake Air Temp gauge to keep a close eyeball on the I/C performance as well.
Makes me nervous sitting in traffic with no air flow thru the I/C watching the temps creep past the safe zone.

Spooler 06-05-2019 06:51 PM

Tracspec vents were in stock and they are shipping out tomorrow.

URBiN~HURMiT 06-06-2019 03:46 AM

MA-Motorsports recommended and installed a CSF Triple Pass radiator for my build (replacing the Mishimoto) So far - So good, although I haven't been out with the car on a really hot day the temps have been OK.
There's a lot packed in there besides the radiator looking for airflow.
The massive CJM I/C and the heat exchangers for the oil cooler and air conditioner.

jchammond 06-06-2019 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by URBiN~HURMiT (Post 3858410)
MA-Motorsports recommended and installed a CSF Triple Pass radiator for my build (replacing the Mishimoto) So far - So good, although I haven't been out with the car on a really hot day the temps have been OK.
There's a lot packed in there besides the radiator looking for airflow.
The massive CJM I/C and the heat exchangers for the oil cooler and air conditioner.

Put a manual override switch on cooling fans & turn them on while in traffic,etc...but the added vents would allow the heat to get out of engine bay :tup:

Spooler 06-06-2019 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3858411)
Put a manual override switch on cooling fans & turn them on while in traffic,etc...but the added vents would allow the heat to get out of engine bay :tup:

You don't have to with the A/C running all the time. The fans run all the time.


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