Fast Intentions Stage 2 TT build by MA-Motorsports.

redondoaveb · 11-29-2018, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

It will get done. Good machine shops are hard to come by and if they are OCD, everybody flocks to them.
Is what it is. I will take a long wait over a "OH Crap the motor just popped", any day of the week and twice
on Sunday.

Spooler · 12-05-2018, 10:41 AM

Note to self or anyone else that is doing crazy like me in the future. Get your engine to the machine shop when you place your twin turbo kit order. I have done some checking around and the reality is all of the GREAT shops have a long wait on an engine build. OCD machine shops don't grow on trees and folks flock to them like crazy. It is the same from East coast to West coast.

Spooler · 12-07-2018, 10:51 PM

This thread is dead. NO more updates.

jchammond · 12-08-2018, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

This thread is dead. NO more updates.

Spooler; You gonna have one of the most powerful ~Z’s~ on the road,,,you can’t kill your thread

Everyone jokes around about stuff; as you know my current situation...as I don’t have a pot to pizz in or a window to throw it out of...when it comes to a Hotrod

.....keep this thing going; I’m definitely gonna have my garage done before I build up my next one...& I’ll let you come over & help

Spooler · 12-09-2018, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond

Spooler; You gonna have one of the most powerful ~Z’s~ on the road,,,you can’t kill your thread

Everyone jokes around about stuff; as you know my current situation...as I don’t have a pot to pizz in or a window to throw it out of...when it comes to a Hotrod

.....keep this thing going; I’m definitely gonna have my garage done before I build up my next one...& I’ll let you come over & help

I will think about it. You guys have to understand, I need to keep my head on straight. It is not MA's fault the machine shop is backed up. No amount of fussing and cussing is going to make the process go faster. It will only hurt my relationship with them and that is important for me not to do. I want to be a customer they enjoy working on my stuff and talking with me. Picking at me all the time about it not being done is not cool. It is stressful enough. I don't need any additional aggravation. I get enough of that at my Job.

jchammond · 12-09-2018, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

I will think about it. You guys have to understand, I need to keep my head on straight. It is not MA's fault the machine shop is backed up. No amount of fussing and cussing is going to make the process go faster. It will only hurt my relationship with them and that is important for me not to do. I want to be a customer they enjoy working on my stuff and talking with me. Picking at me all the time about it not being done is not cool. It is stressful enough. I don't need any additional aggravation. I get enough of that at my Job.

And we still Love You!

Rusty · 12-09-2018, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jchammond

And we still Love You!

I feel your pain on waiting. I've ordered stuff and they tell me there is a 18 month lead time.

You suck it up and go with it. What can you do. Look at the guys waiting for FI exhausts. Who knew that FI would have such a back log on it. My ForgeLine rims took 3 months. And they was made in Ohio.

Rusty · 12-08-2018, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

This thread is dead. NO more updates.

Ahhhhh come on man. We won't tease you anymore. At least from me.

URBiN~HURMiT · 12-08-2018, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

This thread is dead. NO more updates.

Don't give up now ... your helping us to deal with our builds !!!
Here's an excerpt from Kevin at Fast Intentions (I had contacted him about the turbo smoke problem and was fishing for options - He mentioned you in his response knowing that you were using MA-Motorsports for your build)

"Thanks for sharing Spoolers thread, I’ve come across it a few times. He’s got a promising build in the works right now with MA-M."

Go for it - those v.2.5's will kick it up a notch. I think you have exercised wisdom in planning and executing your build.

Bob G

phunk · 12-10-2018, 12:21 PM

Machine shops are always a hold up. I generally tell people to expect at least 6 months, even if quoted 6 weeks. Short block machine work is what kept our fast car off the road for the entirety of 2018. We broke my 1 rule of engine builds: never build the engine that is in the car unless you are ok with not driving that car for a year. Justin really wanted to use his original block and crank though... but that came with the sacrifice of not having his Z for the entire year when he could have been driving it.

Anyways, definitely dont let it stress you out! Think of it of as a season or two less wear and tear on the rest of the car.

URBiN~HURMiT · 12-10-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Anyways, definitely don't let it stress you out! Think of it of as a season or two less wear and tear on the rest of the car.

lol ... because of the lag time in my build I now have a very low mileage 2009 'Z'

Spooler · 12-10-2018, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk

Machine shops are always a hold up. I generally tell people to expect at least 6 months, even if quoted 6 weeks. Short block machine work is what kept our fast car off the road for the entirety of 2018. We broke my 1 rule of engine builds: never build the engine that is in the car unless you are ok with not driving that car for a year. Justin really wanted to use his original block and crank though... but that came with the sacrifice of not having his Z for the entire year when he could have been driving it.

Anyways, definitely dont let it stress you out! Think of it of as a season or two less wear and tear on the rest of the car.

I was lucky enough to have Daelen lead the way. I bought a junkyard long block and that is what they are building. I am still driving my car thank goodness. I will build my existing motor a year or two after this one. I want to see if we have some more data on how to deal with the open deck block since more folks are looking into this issue now.

Spooler · 12-11-2018, 09:57 PM

Alright, I will start posting again. If you poot-heads start razing me again I will clam up like a clam shell.

Rusty · 12-11-2018, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

Alright, I will start posting again. If you poot-heads start razing me again I will clam up like a clam shell.

We'll get the jaws of life and pry that shell open.

Spooler · 12-11-2018, 10:41 PM

Posting some of my thoughts about why I changed to the FI 2.5 turbo's.

My personal goals for my car are different than most. I want to make the most whp with the lowest amount of boost I can make. Boost is just a measure of restriction. The restriction can be in the intake side, the exhaust side, or a combination of both. Someone pointed out to me that I will not make my whp goals with the FI 2.0 turbo's (No names mentioned, you know who you are). That was Ok with me but I wanted to figure out why. I started searching around for as many dyno graphs as I could find with the FI 2.0 turbo's. The only problem I found was that most folks that had the 2.0 turbo's didn't have a built engine. That means the tuner was trying to limit the TQ on the engine down low. So the data would be skewed. I then studied the dyno graphs of Justin and Phunk's build. Hmm, interesting. At 4k rpm he was at 10psi of boost just like the FI 2.0 kit. Seb was trying to limit the TQ on his tune also due to his stock block. To me I consider this to mean the lag/response difference was very minimal. So now the question is why not use a GT3076 turbo (FI 2.5 turbo's) instead of the GT2868 (FI 2.0 turbo's). The answer to that is simple, cost. I already had the FI 2.0 turbo's that I originally ordered with my kit because, at the time, I was going the build the motor at a later date. So, why did I decide to upgrade anyway. Good question that I will talk about at a later date.

12-10-2018, 12:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,669 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974724	Machine shops are always a hold up. I generally tell people to expect at least 6 months, even if quoted 6 weeks. Short block machine work is what kept our fast car off the road for the entirety of 2018. We broke my 1 rule of engine builds: never build the engine that is in the car unless you are ok with not driving that car for a year. Justin really wanted to use his original block and crank though... but that came with the sacrifice of not having his Z for the entire year when he could have been driving it. Anyways, definitely dont let it stress you out! Think of it of as a season or two less wear and tear on the rest of the car. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

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12-05-2018, 10:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,068 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	Note to self or anyone else that is doing crazy like me in the future. Get your engine to the machine shop when you place your twin turbo kit order. I have done some checking around and the reality is all of the GREAT shops have a long wait on an engine build. OCD machine shops don't grow on trees and folks flock to them like crazy. It is the same from East coast to West coast.

12-07-2018, 10:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,068 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	This thread is dead. NO more updates.

12-11-2018, 09:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,068 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	Alright, I will start posting again. If you poot-heads start razing me again I will clam up like a clam shell.

12-11-2018, 10:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,068 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684393	Posting some of my thoughts about why I changed to the FI 2.5 turbo's. My personal goals for my car are different than most. I want to make the most whp with the lowest amount of boost I can make. Boost is just a measure of restriction. The restriction can be in the intake side, the exhaust side, or a combination of both. Someone pointed out to me that I will not make my whp goals with the FI 2.0 turbo's (No names mentioned, you know who you are). That was Ok with me but I wanted to figure out why. I started searching around for as many dyno graphs as I could find with the FI 2.0 turbo's. The only problem I found was that most folks that had the 2.0 turbo's didn't have a built engine. That means the tuner was trying to limit the TQ on the engine down low. So the data would be skewed. I then studied the dyno graphs of Justin and Phunk's build. Hmm, interesting. At 4k rpm he was at 10psi of boost just like the FI 2.0 kit. Seb was trying to limit the TQ on his tune also due to his stock block. To me I consider this to mean the lag/response difference was very minimal. So now the question is why not use a GT3076 turbo (FI 2.5 turbo's) instead of the GT2868 (FI 2.0 turbo's). The answer to that is simple, cost. I already had the FI 2.0 turbo's that I originally ordered with my kit because, at the time, I was going the build the motor at a later date. So, why did I decide to upgrade anyway. Good question that I will talk about at a later date.