Topgunz - air to air upgrade

nic370 · 08-31-2016, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Its all about WOT and idling or cruising isnt a concern. The engine isnt going to let go when cruising, it is going to happen at WOT. The engine isnt going to wear rings at idle or cruising but high temps and cylinder walls wreak havoc on them under boost.

This kit was designed to address full boost situations and to eliminate the heat soak issue that was in the above post, because thats the issue with the water.

In my video i posted here about 4 months ago I am doing a WOT pull all the way to redline and to max boost. At peak boost I am only reading 20* over ambient.

The gain in horsepower is also what the kit is designed to do. This occurs because the timing can be advanced accurately and the car knows what is going on since the MAFs are placed after the intercooler and reading the exact temp that air is entering the engine. The gains are also made by the cooler charge air and the filter design.

All the safety features you talk of were done by my tuners here!
The one thing they could not do was cool the air
So had to add fuel cool on wot to keep things in check
All detailed in my Facebook post

The one thing I'm looking to take away from this kit is the simplicity of the design and the nice cool stable intake Temps

To allow my tunner to carry the power threw to wot

I'll be in touch next few days to arange getting a kit from you

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Some Temps on here
It was dialed back to this due to almost 60 degrees iat on the dyno

TBatt · 08-31-2016, 02:05 PM

If it will help, I can get the data I've been collecting with my Ecutek tune. It logs ambient temp as well as intake temps (post intercooler). I do see a quick rise in temps while on boost but they cool back down as soon as the boost goes away. It should give you an idea of how effective the a2a system is at least with my modest boost levels.

nic370 · 08-31-2016, 02:07 PM

I'd apriciate that
I can compare that to my logs I did .
Tia.

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TBatt · 08-31-2016, 02:33 PM

Keep in mind that my boost level sucks but this is what I recorded a while back.
RPM Boost PSI Temp °F Ambient temp was around 98°F that day
2500 0 111
3000 1.3 111
3500 1.89 111
4000 2.61 113
4500 3.34 114.8
5000 4.49 116.6
5500 5.22 120.2
6000 5.95 123.8
6500 6.67 129.2
7000 5.25 134.6

So the temp went up 23.6°F for this run, on a hot day, with crappy boost level that I'm trying to fix.

nic370 · 08-31-2016, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBatt

Keep in mind that my boost level sucks but this is what I recorded a while back.
RPM Boost PSI Temp °F Ambient temp was around 98°F that day
2500 0 111
3000 1.3 111
3500 1.89 111
4000 2.61 113
4500 3.34 114.8
5000 4.49 116.6
5500 5.22 120.2
6000 5.95 123.8
6500 6.67 129.2
7000 5.25 134.6

So the temp went up 23.6°F for this run, on a hot day, with crappy boost level that I'm trying to fix.

So your looking at about 20 degrees above ambient then ?
At the top of the rev range ?

Interesting I'll look back threw my logs tomorrow and see where mine was at
Bearing in mind It's a lot cooler in uk

I'd say this still wins by somewhere between 10/20 degrees max at redline
I'll check tomorrow

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SlyZGuy · 08-31-2016, 03:56 PM

VIDEO OF TIAL BOV ON DYNO:

#1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8wnj35n32k...55941.3gp?dl=0

Full Pull:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kutgojdhq7...55943.3gp?dl=0

And a couple pics to boot(springs havent settled yet, and its been up on lift:

future370zzz · 08-31-2016, 04:15 PM

^The TIAL sounds good. Don't know if it's just the garage effect but the BOV almost drowns out the exhaust note.haha

Any dyno numbers and temp information yet?

The deep blue color looks good and unique and the black wheels go well with the overall theme. Color matched door handles was a good idea.

TopgunZ · 08-31-2016, 05:40 PM

Ok. The thing is that when Tbatt smashes his throttle right after that and 3rd run and 4th run and so on....He will see that same temperature every single time. What are the water temps at if you are on the throttle hard on the track for 2 minutes. WAY hotter. The A2A kit will keep temps a cool 20 over the entire race. Which relates to more, safer power.

nic370 · 09-01-2016, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TopgunZ

Ok. The thing is that when Tbatt smashes his throttle right after that and 3rd run and 4th run and so on....He will see that same temperature every single time. What are the water temps at if you are on the throttle hard on the track for 2 minutes. WAY hotter. The A2A kit will keep temps a cool 20 over the entire race. Which relates to more, safer power.

That's what I'm after

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nic370 · 09-01-2016, 05:05 AM

Question
Dose the stock crash bar goes back on or custom one needed?

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BOLIO 671 · 09-01-2016, 07:27 AM

From what I've seen in the pics it looks like it doesn't go back on...what some guys have done is upgrade to the Fast Intentions Crash/Tow bar....which is a lot more durable then the OEM one...it will definitely protect ur internals behind it.

TopgunZ · 09-02-2016, 09:47 AM

Wasn't that before the upgraded MAF's? I thought they were maxing your stock ones out and hadn't re-tuned for the upgraded ones.

TopgunZ · 09-02-2016, 12:37 PM

Yeah im interested in the Torque numbers also since the A2A greatly increases this. Also, what dyno this was on as we all know that can have a swing on things.

TopgunZ · 09-02-2016, 03:30 PM

Y pipes are in!

SlyZGuy · 09-03-2016, 09:25 AM

The sheet is still in the car at the shop. I forgot to snap a pic of it.

Topgunz - yes that was the original pull. I don't know what the 2nd run was with the new MAFs yet however I don't think it'll be a significatn gain due to the air temp and humidty the 2nd day, it was about 60% humidity and same air temp.

It was on a dynojet.

I'll have more info tuesday. sorry couldnt be more helpful at the moment.

Also, not sure what boost exactly as I'm not running a guage. I have the 9lb pulley and upgraded impeller which should be putting me in the 10-11lb range.

08-31-2016, 02:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
TBatt Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20169	If it will help, I can get the data I've been collecting with my Ecutek tune. It logs ambient temp as well as intake temps (post intercooler). I do see a quick rise in temps while on boost but they cool back down as soon as the boost goes away. It should give you an idea of how effective the a2a system is at least with my modest boost levels. __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE!

08-31-2016, 02:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
TBatt Track Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 832 Drives: 2019 GT-R Rep Power: 20169	Keep in mind that my boost level sucks but this is what I recorded a while back. RPM Boost PSI Temp °F Ambient temp was around 98°F that day 2500 0 111 3000 1.3 111 3500 1.89 111 4000 2.61 113 4500 3.34 114.8 5000 4.49 116.6 5500 5.22 120.2 6000 5.95 123.8 6500 6.67 129.2 7000 5.25 134.6 So the temp went up 23.6°F for this run, on a hot day, with crappy boost level that I'm trying to fix. __________________ RJM pedal, Hotchkis Sway Bars, FI TDX, FOG Light, Z1 Slotted Drilled rotors, Stillen SC, Quaife ATB, Z1 Oil cooler, AEM Gauge Set, Galeforce gauge mount, Avant Garde M590 Hypersilver w/RE-11, TopgunZ A2A kit., ECUtek tuned by Seb: ROLL TIDE!

08-31-2016, 03:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
SlyZGuy Base Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Maryland Posts: 220 Drives: 2014 370z S/C M6 Rep Power: 10	VIDEO OF TIAL BOV ON DYNO: #1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/8wnj35n32k...55941.3gp?dl=0 Full Pull: https://www.dropbox.com/s/kutgojdhq7...55943.3gp?dl=0 And a couple pics to boot(springs havent settled yet, and its been up on lift: __________________ Stillen S/C \| '15 Nismo Conversion \| Aodhan \| Eibach \| Tokico \| SPC \| Z1 \| Evo-R \| Aerojacket \| HKS \| Berk \| CFE \| APR \| Amuse \| Z1 \| A2A IC \| AAM \| Buddy Club \| Last edited by SlyZGuy; 08-31-2016 at 04:02 PM.

08-31-2016, 04:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
future370zzz Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bay Area Posts: 555 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	^The TIAL sounds good. Don't know if it's just the garage effect but the BOV almost drowns out the exhaust note.haha Any dyno numbers and temp information yet? The deep blue color looks good and unique and the black wheels go well with the overall theme. Color matched door handles was a good idea. __________________ Last edited by future370zzz; 08-31-2016 at 04:18 PM.

08-31-2016, 05:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	Ok. The thing is that when Tbatt smashes his throttle right after that and 3rd run and 4th run and so on....He will see that same temperature every single time. What are the water temps at if you are on the throttle hard on the track for 2 minutes. WAY hotter. The A2A kit will keep temps a cool 20 over the entire race. Which relates to more, safer power. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

08-31-2016, 02:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
nic370 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: uk Posts: 187 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 11	I'd apriciate that I can compare that to my logs I did . Tia. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

09-01-2016, 05:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
nic370 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: uk Posts: 187 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 11	Question Dose the stock crash bar goes back on or custom one needed? Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

09-01-2016, 07:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
BOLIO 671 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: GUAHAN Posts: 1,198 Drives: To & From then Back Rep Power: 3400	From what I've seen in the pics it looks like it doesn't go back on...what some guys have done is upgrade to the Fast Intentions Crash/Tow bar....which is a lot more durable then the OEM one...it will definitely protect ur internals behind it. __________________ 2013 Nismo Z34 / FI TT #091 / IG: @lilzilla_z34

09-02-2016, 09:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	Wasn't that before the upgraded MAF's? I thought they were maxing your stock ones out and hadn't re-tuned for the upgraded ones. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

09-02-2016, 12:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	Yeah im interested in the Torque numbers also since the A2A greatly increases this. Also, what dyno this was on as we all know that can have a swing on things. __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

09-02-2016, 03:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
TopgunZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,651 Drives: 06 350Z , 09 370Z MT Rep Power: 6835	Y pipes are in! __________________ ROTREX SUPERCHARGER TUNER KITS - $6799/ CUSTOM STILLEN AIR TO AIR KITS -$2100/ 700+ WHP!! WWW.TOPGUNSPEEDWORKS.COM

09-03-2016, 09:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
SlyZGuy Base Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Maryland Posts: 220 Drives: 2014 370z S/C M6 Rep Power: 10	The sheet is still in the car at the shop. I forgot to snap a pic of it. Topgunz - yes that was the original pull. I don't know what the 2nd run was with the new MAFs yet however I don't think it'll be a significatn gain due to the air temp and humidty the 2nd day, it was about 60% humidity and same air temp. It was on a dynojet. I'll have more info tuesday. sorry couldnt be more helpful at the moment. Also, not sure what boost exactly as I'm not running a guage. I have the 9lb pulley and upgraded impeller which should be putting me in the 10-11lb range. __________________ Stillen S/C \| '15 Nismo Conversion \| Aodhan \| Eibach \| Tokico \| SPC \| Z1 \| Evo-R \| Aerojacket \| HKS \| Berk \| CFE \| APR \| Amuse \| Z1 \| A2A IC \| AAM \| Buddy Club \|

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