Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

birdman71

Im not talking about Sam.. lol There are other people you can order from with GAMMA.

And I ment that to actually see how the GAMMA and GTM partnership will turn out whether it will work or dissolve , is that only time will tell.

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Rusty

If Sam wasn't with Gamma now. I don't think we would be discussing this. The discussion could be going the other way. On how Gamma is helping out. Who knows. One thing for sure. Sam left a bad taste in alot of mouths that ain't never getting washed out. Some people are dead set against him. It was once said that you could do good all of your life. BUT screw up one time. And that is was they will remember you for. In Sam's case. Multiple times. And that's what he will be remembered for.

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elperuano

Hmmm that's interesting.

elperuano

Could you elaborate a little more on "who" are the people he's paying off his debt?

Potential future customers who had nothing to do with the failed group buy are gonna get the discounts? Or are you saying if those same people in the GB buy another kit from Gamma they'll be given the discount?

vividracing

For those of you in the community who have suffered a loss due to Sam/GTM believe me, you have my sympathy. I never once took sides with GTM on the wrongdoings to the people in this or any other forum. I cannot offer you any help in your situation and I also do not condone what has transpired. My feelings about the entire situation mirror those of the ones affected. My advice is the same as Bullitt and Birdman, get in on the lawsuit and be prepared to make a case. You deserve justice.

The most level headed posts in this thread have been from Bullitt and Birdman and I both comprehend and agree with what they are saying.

My position here as a vendor sponsor is and always will be to support my customers, offer the best pricing I can give and follow that up with good customer support. I am here to represent the company I work for, the parts that we sell and I am proud to be an employee at Vivid Racing for the past 2 years. I have been working on this forum for about 7 months so I came in way at the tail end of all that happened.

My position to those who are simply here to chime in with words of hate and disdain for a human being be it Sam, myself, my company or the owner(s) of my company is where I will draw the line. I do not come into your house and spew accusations, foul language, hate or judgement. You don't know me and I don't know you and for that very reason I will respect you until you give me a reason not to.

It is not my place to comment back to those who have attacked me, my company or the owner as I choose to remain professional because I am on the clock and this forum is where I work. With that being said I am here to sell parts, I have a kit, I have the backing of Gamma and I have generous discounts to offer on twin turbo kits through Gamma motorsports. I also have a wide range of vendors for many, many parts for this platform and the rest of the popular vehicles.

I am going to bow out now and thank those who have supported me in the past and who will continue to support me in the future. To those with a venomous tongue who want to argue, I suggest you look in the mirror and ask yourself if it's something you believe in with all of your heart or are you just passing the time. If you believe with all of your heart that your feelings need to be construed this way then by all means give me a call and let's talk about how I or Vivid Racing wronged you and I will make a valiant effort to make things right. I am a stand up guy who treats others the way I want to be treated and I believe in the law of karma which can build a healthy fear in how I treat others. For the latter, perhaps you should find a new hobby.

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elperuano

I think you misunderstood what i wrote.

You bought all ur parts that's fine. We all know the mess Sam has made. But his lasts moments were of basically stealing money from people to try to pay off the next debt. He declared bankruptcyand most likely (judging by his own actions) knew exactly what he was doing. Hell, be probably started the Group Bug with the sole intention of defrauding everyone because he knew he was going bankrupt. Anything after that he was basically stealing and selling off making pure profit because he never had any intentions to do make it right.

You bought ur kit from a shady "vendor". Granted you paid in full his price it's basically like buying stolen goods. Maybe you got it at ur "discounted" price. That part is all good. Hell everyone wants to buy something for cheap or even getit for free. "Hot" items go FAST. But don't say we shouldn't gripe and give him all the hell he deserves and let's give these new guys a chance. Absolutely not. If ur implying we should let it all be in the past and THEN encourage us to try to do business with him, then yes. You are aiding this thief in taking more money by the "promotion" ur doing for him.

Last thing is i was wondering why it only seemed like you're the only vendor able to get items from sam and apparently now can sell off kits at discounted price. I believe you said he even gave u the go ahead to take helluva lot of orders. Was all peculiar until Chuck chimed in. It all makes sense now. So I stand by the statement. Lace them laces up!

vividracing

I am a dealer, so I do get dealer prices, that would be how we make money. To say I was sold someone else's kit is hearsay if that's what you are implying.

I do support the griping and this whole thread but as a human being with a small amount of faith, I don't condone the griping taking an extreme swing to talking about hurting someone. Drag his name through the mud, tell everyone and their neighbor the story by all means, stand up and shout it from rooftops. Violence and hatred is not how I choose to handle things and like I said, cooler heads prevail. However there are those out there who have turned their attack away from GTM and Sam and attacked me, my company and the owners and it's completely uncalled for. Shame on you.

I am not encouraging you to do business with him, I am encouraging you to do business with me. I wish I could explain why other vendors can't seem to get Gammas kits. I can assume since we as a company have not taken the extreme swing approach with Sam while waiting for what was owed to us patiently, has paid off. See how that works? Cooler heads, prevailing all over the place.

In our transactions you pay me via PayPal or Credit Card, both allowing you the full ability to do a chargeback or dispute if things promised are not delivered. In EVERY. SINGLE. TRANSACTION. for a Gamma order I will only require a deposit until the item is boxed up with a label and I have a picture of it from Gamma with a message saying "ready to ship". At that time I will call and collect the balance and the item will ship. I am not taking pre-orders, I am not taking full payment by bank wire and I am not organizing a group buy. It's a one by one transaction and if I have to watch over Gamma like a hawk until the first 5 kits are received in good order, then that's what I will do. If you think I am that clueless in business, well then you obviously don't know me, my name is Todd, nice to meet you.

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jaytirbhaw

Todd is a good guy, always answered my questions when i inquired. I don't doubt what he says.

But as always, emotions and anger and people trying to justify things are being mixed in a barrel and causing a lot more problems than needed.

Some people support what gamma is doing, some people don't because sam works for them. simple as that, once again let's not get carried away with attacking one another. The goal here is to act as a community and look out for one another.

All this needs to be is a discussion so that everyone is well informed.

For me, I think sam and gamma at the current time are morally and ethically wrong for the way that things are being done, and have been done in the past. That's all I'll say.

kumbaya...

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elperuano

I've got no problem with you at all Todd. As I said my statement was written before i read of u taking responsibility for the orders in ur other post. That's pretty stand up of you. I just wanted to give you advice to be careful.

I do, however disagree with the dragging his name thru the mud. Violence? There are different kind of people in this world. People get killed or hurt for MUCH less. To each his own.
But hell yea. Like JWick said, we are a community that doesn't forget. Everyone should share their experience so we can make the best decision on who to spend our money with. Actually, it's better to let them gripe and drag his name thru the mud than someone going postal and literally dragging him thru the mud. He should be shamed and he should be ashamed of himself. The ones who chime in and thr original OP post were mostly of people who got screwed over by him. So I think it's only fair.

A thief is a thief. That's the lowest of low and to do it on the scale he did is absolutely horrible. There should be nothing of him here at all. Shame on the new company for hiring this thief knowing perfectly well who he is. There's more than enough evidence to support that. So that's what I meant by people still dealing or associating with anything to do with him.
I think it's a slap in the face to anyone who would contribute to, be it directly or indirectly a paycheck to sam. I wouldn't give them a dime knowing somehow sam might get paid off it.

vividracing

Thank you for that, sincerely. I know that I just tried sticking my 2 cents into a slot where it wouldn't fit. I figured I would get a little bit of feedback for it. But when people start calling my boss a piece of sh*t or imply that the company I work for is just as bad as GTM, that crosses the line.

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Rusty

Todd, I got nothing against you. If fact, once I decide on when to do my next mod. I'll be sending you a pm. Think you might be able to get what I want.

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vividracing

Thanks Rusty I appreciate it. Have a good weekend everyone!

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Trips

I would kindly appreciate that WE stay focused on who the negative comments should be aimed at.

IF WE start to hold all vendors on a pedestal?

WE wouldn't have any vendors here to keep the lights on unless most of the members would simply go premium But the last time I checked?

That wasn't the case.

I removed a couple unnecessary attacks that were uncalled for towards vividracing.

I would like this type of continued behavior to STOP.

Thats aimed at you Chuck

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zguynate

The tags on this page are hilarious btw lol. "Samma gamma scamma" hahahaha. Sorry for the off topic response.

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tiller

I think the main thing that everyone in this thread and in the z community should focus on is the outcome in situations like mine and others who have paid in full for parts or kits,if gamma comes thru with my kit and others parts then I have no problem posting a build thread and comending there companys work and product,we will see where these situations end up.I will keep everyone posted in a non hateful and company bashing way.