Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures

Sharad909 · 04-24-2020, 06:42 PM

Hey guys, had my car for couple months now. Recently started to feel "softer clutch feel" after couple harsh driving. Fluid was black... Changed the fluid for stoptech 600 fluid. It's still doing it but less dramatic.

ramblinrose · 05-03-2020, 03:07 PM

2016 370z with 20,000 miles. Csc failed. Replaced with Z-1 Elimination kit. Total cost 1,300. Very insensitive of Nissan not to fix an ongoing problem.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ClD...w?usp=drivesdk

babyzilla · 05-18-2020, 01:05 PM

*Sigh*...2015 370z Nismo Manual. Just passed 35k miles and has been rock solid since I bought it almost 2 years ago at 8k miles...until this past Saturday. I absolutely love this car and it has been a dream to own one.

Since I've been working from home for the past couple months, I drive my Z about once a week to just get out and keep it running well. I may have felt my clutch acting funny a couple months ago here and there, but nothing significantly. On Saturday, all of a sudden, the clutch was very week and I was barely getting any pressure back. I am well aware of the CSC issue and it is the main reason why I got it CPO, among other reasons. There were two times while I was driving on Saturday that the clutch wouldn't come back up, so I had to lift it with my foot. Pumping it would kind of help, but driving on the highway did not help. I quickly turned back around and went home when I noticed things getting bad. I actually even stalled at a stop sign because I wasn't getting any clutch feedback...and, yes, I know how to drive stick very well. Just to make sure it wasn't a leak, I checked the fluid level and everything is topped off, so I guess this is good news and bad news.

I just find it so interesting that there is no common factor among those who have been plagued with this issue. It spans from brand new vehicles to vehicles that are crossing 60k miles with all kinda of different background stories. It's very discouraging that Nissan hasn't done anything about this, even with a class action law-suit, which I understand can be pointless at time, but it really does shed light onto the matter. Also, I do not think it is a coincident AT ALL that Nissan changed the clutch set-up to an Exedy system - I haven't really heard any issues with this newer system, but maybe you all can chime in.

Anyways, I am obviously trying to get Nissan to pay for this is ridiculous manufacturing/engineering flaw, and I've read the PITA stories that people have gone through, but I'm giving it a shot. I had one local dealer basically say I'll have to pay for everything and that they don't have many Zs that come through. The next dealer I spoke to, the lady knew what she was talking about and assured me her GTR tech would diagnose my car and she even waived the $150 fee, which I appreciated. She also mentioned it sounds like it would be covered under my CPO warranty if it isn't covered by Nissan. She said Nissan has one of the best customer services...sure, I'll go with it. I heard back from the tech today and he said the "CLUTCH SEEMS OK SINCE HEAT IS A FACTOR IT IS POSSIBLY THE RUBBER LINE THAT GOES TO THE SLAVE CYLINDER." So, before removing the transmission to actually see if it a CSC issue, he wants to "REPLACE LINE FIRST AND BLEED SYSTEM AND RE-CK MAY NEED SLAVE CYLINDER ALSO." This is a $481 bill to me and they will not cover this. So, what guarantee do I have that I pay $481, the new rubber line doesn't fix the issue, and I have to pay the $1-2k it costs to replace the CSC. Sounds like I'd be really effed then. Also, do you guys/ladies think they would replace it with the new exedy system rather than the same plagued system?

I've called Nissan NA to speak to them about this, but apparently their lines are busy, so I haven't been able to actually talk to them yet. Any advice? I'm currently w/o a car and have been hitching rides with my wife.

Thanks!

raps101 · 05-18-2020, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyzilla

*Sigh*...2015 370z Nismo Manual. Just passed 35k miles and has been rock solid since I bought it almost 2 years ago at 8k miles...until this past Saturday. I absolutely love this car and it has been a dream to own one.

Since I've been working from home for the past couple months, I drive my Z about once a week to just get out and keep it running well. I may have felt my clutch acting funny a couple months ago here and there, but nothing significantly. On Saturday, all of a sudden, the clutch was very week and I was barely getting any pressure back. I am well aware of the CSC issue and it is the main reason why I got it CPO, among other reasons. There were two times while I was driving on Saturday that the clutch wouldn't come back up, so I had to lift it with my foot. Pumping it would kind of help, but driving on the highway did not help. I quickly turned back around and went home when I noticed things getting bad. I actually even stalled at a stop sign because I wasn't getting any clutch feedback...and, yes, I know how to drive stick very well. Just to make sure it wasn't a leak, I checked the fluid level and everything is topped off, so I guess this is good news and bad news.

I just find it so interesting that there is no common factor among those who have been plagued with this issue. It spans from brand new vehicles to vehicles that are crossing 60k miles with all kinda of different background stories. It's very discouraging that Nissan hasn't done anything about this, even with a class action law-suit, which I understand can be pointless at time, but it really does shed light onto the matter. Also, I do not think it is a coincident AT ALL that Nissan changed the clutch set-up to an Exedy system - I haven't really heard any issues with this newer system, but maybe you all can chime in.

Anyways, I am obviously trying to get Nissan to pay for this is ridiculous manufacturing/engineering flaw, and I've read the PITA stories that people have gone through, but I'm giving it a shot. I had one local dealer basically say I'll have to pay for everything and that they don't have many Zs that come through. The next dealer I spoke to, the lady knew what she was talking about and assured me her GTR tech would diagnose my car and she even waived the $150 fee, which I appreciated. She also mentioned it sounds like it would be covered under my CPO warranty if it isn't covered by Nissan. She said Nissan has one of the best customer services...sure, I'll go with it. I heard back from the tech today and he said the "CLUTCH SEEMS OK SINCE HEAT IS A FACTOR IT IS POSSIBLY THE RUBBER LINE THAT GOES TO THE SLAVE CYLINDER." So, before removing the transmission to actually see if it a CSC issue, he wants to "REPLACE LINE FIRST AND BLEED SYSTEM AND RE-CK MAY NEED SLAVE CYLINDER ALSO." This is a $481 bill to me and they will not cover this. So, what guarantee do I have that I pay $481, the new rubber line doesn't fix the issue, and I have to pay the $1-2k it costs to replace the CSC. Sounds like I'd be really effed then. Also, do you guys/ladies think they would replace it with the new exedy system rather than the same plagued system?

I've called Nissan NA to speak to them about this, but apparently their lines are busy, so I haven't been able to actually talk to them yet. Any advice? I'm currently w/o a car and have been hitching rides with my wife.

Thanks!

I went thru all of this. Both with my 06 350z and my current 09 370z. On the 09 it was happening at around 18k miles. Do yourself a favor... I have a few words for you. And I know you'll be happy. Joe at zspeed. And Ryan at rjm performance. Get this
https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-ez...l-system-cmak/ and this
https://rjmperformance.com/370z-g37/
And never look back.

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Joe@ZSpeed · 05-18-2020, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyzilla

*Sigh*...2015 370z Nismo Manual. Just passed 35k miles and has been rock solid since I bought it almost 2 years ago at 8k miles...until this past Saturday. I absolutely love this car and it has been a dream to own one.

Since I've been working from home for the past couple months, I drive my Z about once a week to just get out and keep it running well. I may have felt my clutch acting funny a couple months ago here and there, but nothing significantly. On Saturday, all of a sudden, the clutch was very week and I was barely getting any pressure back. I am well aware of the CSC issue and it is the main reason why I got it CPO, among other reasons. There were two times while I was driving on Saturday that the clutch wouldn't come back up, so I had to lift it with my foot. Pumping it would kind of help, but driving on the highway did not help. I quickly turned back around and went home when I noticed things getting bad. I actually even stalled at a stop sign because I wasn't getting any clutch feedback...and, yes, I know how to drive stick very well. Just to make sure it wasn't a leak, I checked the fluid level and everything is topped off, so I guess this is good news and bad news.

I just find it so interesting that there is no common factor among those who have been plagued with this issue. It spans from brand new vehicles to vehicles that are crossing 60k miles with all kinda of different background stories. It's very discouraging that Nissan hasn't done anything about this, even with a class action law-suit, which I understand can be pointless at time, but it really does shed light onto the matter. Also, I do not think it is a coincident AT ALL that Nissan changed the clutch set-up to an Exedy system - I haven't really heard any issues with this newer system, but maybe you all can chime in.

Anyways, I am obviously trying to get Nissan to pay for this is ridiculous manufacturing/engineering flaw, and I've read the PITA stories that people have gone through, but I'm giving it a shot. I had one local dealer basically say I'll have to pay for everything and that they don't have many Zs that come through. The next dealer I spoke to, the lady knew what she was talking about and assured me her GTR tech would diagnose my car and she even waived the $150 fee, which I appreciated. She also mentioned it sounds like it would be covered under my CPO warranty if it isn't covered by Nissan. She said Nissan has one of the best customer services...sure, I'll go with it. I heard back from the tech today and he said the "CLUTCH SEEMS OK SINCE HEAT IS A FACTOR IT IS POSSIBLY THE RUBBER LINE THAT GOES TO THE SLAVE CYLINDER." So, before removing the transmission to actually see if it a CSC issue, he wants to "REPLACE LINE FIRST AND BLEED SYSTEM AND RE-CK MAY NEED SLAVE CYLINDER ALSO." This is a $481 bill to me and they will not cover this. So, what guarantee do I have that I pay $481, the new rubber line doesn't fix the issue, and I have to pay the $1-2k it costs to replace the CSC. Sounds like I'd be really effed then. Also, do you guys/ladies think they would replace it with the new exedy system rather than the same plagued system?

I've called Nissan NA to speak to them about this, but apparently their lines are busy, so I haven't been able to actually talk to them yet. Any advice? I'm currently w/o a car and have been hitching rides with my wife.

Thanks!

The clutch master cylinder normally causes this issue if there are NO fluid leaks or loss of fluid, Master is $99 on our site, If you are tight on cash at the moment, replace the master and re-bleed the system first and your issue should be resolved until the slave dies...

babyzilla · 05-18-2020, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raps101

I went thru all of this. Both with my 06 350z and my current 09 370z. On the 09 it was happening at around 18k miles. Do yourself a favor... I have a few words for you. And I know you'll be happy. Joe at zspeed. And Ryan at rjm performance. Get this
https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-ez...l-system-cmak/ and this
https://rjmperformance.com/370z-g37/
And never look back.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed

The clutch master cylinder normally causes this issue if there are NO fluid leaks or loss of fluid, Master is $99 on our site, If you are tight on cash at the moment, replace the master and re-bleed the system first and your issue should be resolved until the slave dies...

Thanks for the prompt response from both of you. I've heard great things about both companies. Is the adjustable clutch pedal from RJM necessary or just a nice to have? I don't track/race my car - just DD and the occasional spirited driving on highways. I'll definitely need the complete clutch flywheel system as I don't want just a quick fix. Fortunately money isn't tight and I prefer doing things right the first time, but I was just really hoping to have Nissan cover this. My birthday is tomorrow too - THANKS, NISSAN!

BTW how much is it to have this done in a shop - on average?

raps101 · 05-18-2020, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyzilla

Thanks for the prompt response from both of you. I've heard great things about both companies. Is the adjustable clutch pedal from RJM necessary or just a nice to have? I don't track/race my car - just DD and the occasional spirited driving on highways. I'll definitely need the complete clutch flywheel system as I don't want just a quick fix. Fortunately money isn't tight and I prefer doing things right the first time, but I was just really hoping to have Nissan cover this. My birthday is tomorrow too - THANKS, NISSAN!

BTW how much is it to have this done in a shop - on average?

Both are neccesary in my opinion. I just got the pedal installed last week. Had the zspeed cmak and clutch for about a year? Wish I did both sooner. I'm a casual street driver. The stock pedal is just too finicky for me.
https://youtu.be/AxaRsJ7VqzU
3:20 mark for a better explanation. But I can assure you, shifts, especially 1st to 2nd are wayyy smoother with this pedal. And the clutch feel is much better.

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raps101 · 05-18-2020, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raps101

Both are neccesary in my opinion. I just got the pedal installed last week. Had the zspeed cmak and clutch for about a year? Wish I did both sooner. I'm a casual street driver. The stock pedal is just too finicky for me.
https://youtu.be/AxaRsJ7VqzU
3:20 mark for a better explanation. But I can assure you, shifts, especially 1st to 2nd are wayyy smoother with this pedal. And the clutch feel is much better.

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2 hours for a good mechanic to install the pedal. And some time afterwards for you to try the pedal and then make adjustments. So maybe 150 to install? I paid $550 in nyc for the complete cmak and clutch install.

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babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 08:16 AM

I got a case # with Nissan a couple days ago and they called me yesterday to let me know they are "investigating the issue." I was told they will let me know the outcome on Friday. I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent. I'll keep you guys posted for information sake. I'll either get lucky or I'll be placing an order to Zspeed this weekend. I know you all have warned me, but I'm just shooting my shot.

Side note: I'm not sure if I'm being dramatic, but the outcome of this may or may not influence my loyalty as a returning customer to Nissan (especially if they were to revamp the Z).

raps101 · 05-20-2020, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyzilla

I got a case # with Nissan a couple days ago and they called me yesterday to let me know they are "investigating the issue." I was told they will let me know the outcome on Friday. I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent. I'll keep you guys posted for information sake. I'll either get lucky or I'll be placing an order to Zspeed this weekend. I know you all have warned me, but I'm just shooting my shot.

Side note: I'm not sure if I'm being dramatic, but the outcome of this may or may not influence my loyalty as a returning customer to Nissan (especially if they were to revamp the Z).

I'm afraid you're wasting your time, and the point of my rant was to save you your time. Thousands have gone down the road you're on. My last attempt. Get your car outta there, meaning out of the hands of that Nissan dealership, and into your custody, and get rid of that concentric slave cylinder, and that stock pedal. There's no other way to put it. And I'm only saying this to you because I'm gathering from what you said, that you are willing and able to invest the funds required to right this problem. Respectfully. Did you read through this whole thread??

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JARblue · 05-20-2020, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyzilla

I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent.

lol NNA isn't going to do jack for you. Same as that dash cam. What you're really hoping is that the idiot who wants to joy ride doesn't know how to unplug the camera in the back although it's likely they don't give two shìts anyway. What are you going to do? Sue the dealership for driving your car? You're just wasting your time

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raps101

I'm afraid you're wasting your time, and the point of my rant was to save you your time. Thousands have gone down the road you're on. My last attempt. Get your car outta there, meaning out of the hands of that Nissan dealership, and into your custody, and get rid of that concentric slave cylinder, and that stock pedal. There's no other way to put it. And I'm only saying this to you because I'm gathering from what you said, that you are willing and able to invest the funds required to right this problem. Respectfully. Did you read through this whole thread??

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Yes, and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I figured I wouldn't lose anything by at least giving it a shot as I have the time right now. There have been members in this thread that have been able to get it fixed under warranty. Anyways, I'm just getting worried now so I'm trying to pick my car up this evening based off what you are telling me. The auto shop will probably be closed, but I'm hoping I can get it via sales dept. I admittedly did not read the entire thread...it's 120 pages, but I did read many.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

lol NNA isn't going to do jack for you. Same as that dash cam. What you're really hoping is that the idiot who wants to joy ride doesn't know how to unplug the camera in the back although it's likely they don't give two shìts anyway. What are you going to do? Sue the dealership for driving your car? You're just wasting your time

Thanks, I guess?

---

To all, I'm not the most technical person, but what exactly do I need aftermarket? The companies I keep hearing about are z1motorsports, zspeed, and RJM. I obviously do not want OEM parts, as that is what is causing the issue in the first place. I've also seen a CSC delete kit - I'm not sure what this is. Please help. Thanks! I'll try giving Joe a call as well.

sportsman2003 · 05-20-2020, 03:40 PM

https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

This is the kit i am going with. I am not an expert on the 370Z platform
but I have researched this for myself and have only read good things.
This was also recommended to me by Rob at Z car Garage in San Jose CA.

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsman2003

https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

This is the kit i am going with. I am not an expert on the 370Z platform
but I have researched this for myself and have only read good things.
This was also recommended to me by Rob at Z car Garage in San Jose CA.

Thanks, man. I have been looking at this too. Although Joe from Zspeed mentioned the stage 2 - he actually responded to my original post in this thread the other day. Their shop is closed, but I need to call them tomorrow to verify. My main question is why I would need a new clutch too.

Thanks!

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 06:23 PM

FYI I was able to "rescue" my car a couple hours ago. I had my wife rush from work to come get me (she's the real MVP). It's a long story, which I will spare all of you from, but the dealer actually started to work on my Z w/o my consent. I even told them specifically not to until we hear back from NNA. All of a sudden they weren't charging me the $481 for the rubber hose either. I also caught them in another lie. Needless to say I won't be going back to dealerships for any work. Sick of this $h!t.

04-24-2020, 06:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Sharad909 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: SoCal Posts: 65 Drives: 2012 370Z 6MT Sport Rep Power: 3362	Hey guys, had my car for couple months now. Recently started to feel "softer clutch feel" after couple harsh driving. Fluid was black... Changed the fluid for stoptech 600 fluid. It's still doing it but less dramatic. __________________ 12 370Z- Touring- Sport- 6MT- Z1 Anti Starv, 34R Setrab Kit, 20/25MM \| Konig 18x10.5 W/ Hankook RS4 \| PowerStop TrackSpec Pads \| TTP Single Exit , & Swift Springs \| Previously Owned: 18 Q50- 480RWHP- 12.2 @118- Sold, 92 240SX Built SR

05-03-2020, 03:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
ramblinrose Base Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1 Drives: 2016 370Z Rep Power: 7	370Z CSC Failure 2016 370z with 20,000 miles. Csc failed. Replaced with Z-1 Elimination kit. Total cost 1,300. Very insensitive of Nissan not to fix an ongoing problem. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ClD...w?usp=drivesdk Last edited by ramblinrose; 05-03-2020 at 03:10 PM.

05-20-2020, 06:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
babyzilla Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 487 Drives: 15 Nismo Tech 6MT Rep Power: 23633	FYI I was able to "rescue" my car a couple hours ago. I had my wife rush from work to come get me (she's the real MVP). It's a long story, which I will spare all of you from, but the dealer actually started to work on my Z w/o my consent. I even told them specifically not to until we hear back from NNA. All of a sudden they weren't charging me the $481 for the rubber hose either. I also caught them in another lie. Needless to say I won't be going back to dealerships for any work. Sick of this $h!t. Last edited by babyzilla; 05-20-2020 at 09:45 PM.

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05-18-2020, 01:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
babyzilla Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 487 Drives: 15 Nismo Tech 6MT Rep Power: 23633	Sigh...2015 370z Nismo Manual. Just passed 35k miles and has been rock solid since I bought it almost 2 years ago at 8k miles...until this past Saturday. I absolutely love this car and it has been a dream to own one. Since I've been working from home for the past couple months, I drive my Z about once a week to just get out and keep it running well. I may have felt my clutch acting funny a couple months ago here and there, but nothing significantly. On Saturday, all of a sudden, the clutch was very week and I was barely getting any pressure back. I am well aware of the CSC issue and it is the main reason why I got it CPO, among other reasons. There were two times while I was driving on Saturday that the clutch wouldn't come back up, so I had to lift it with my foot. Pumping it would kind of help, but driving on the highway did not help. I quickly turned back around and went home when I noticed things getting bad. I actually even stalled at a stop sign because I wasn't getting any clutch feedback...and, yes, I know how to drive stick very well. Just to make sure it wasn't a leak, I checked the fluid level and everything is topped off, so I guess this is good news and bad news. I just find it so interesting that there is no common factor among those who have been plagued with this issue. It spans from brand new vehicles to vehicles that are crossing 60k miles with all kinda of different background stories. It's very discouraging that Nissan hasn't done anything about this, even with a class action law-suit, which I understand can be pointless at time, but it really does shed light onto the matter. Also, I do not think it is a coincident AT ALL that Nissan changed the clutch set-up to an Exedy system - I haven't really heard any issues with this newer system, but maybe you all can chime in. Anyways, I am obviously trying to get Nissan to pay for this is ridiculous manufacturing/engineering flaw, and I've read the PITA stories that people have gone through, but I'm giving it a shot. I had one local dealer basically say I'll have to pay for everything and that they don't have many Zs that come through. The next dealer I spoke to, the lady knew what she was talking about and assured me her GTR tech would diagnose my car and she even waived the $150 fee, which I appreciated. She also mentioned it sounds like it would be covered under my CPO warranty if it isn't covered by Nissan. She said Nissan has one of the best customer services...sure, I'll go with it. I heard back from the tech today and he said the "CLUTCH SEEMS OK SINCE HEAT IS A FACTOR IT IS POSSIBLY THE RUBBER LINE THAT GOES TO THE SLAVE CYLINDER." So, before removing the transmission to actually see if it a CSC issue, he wants to "REPLACE LINE FIRST AND BLEED SYSTEM AND RE-CK MAY NEED SLAVE CYLINDER ALSO." This is a $481 bill to me and they will not cover this. So, what guarantee do I have that I pay $481, the new rubber line doesn't fix the issue, and I have to pay the $1-2k it costs to replace the CSC. Sounds like I'd be really effed then. Also, do you guys/ladies think they would replace it with the new exedy system rather than the same plagued system? I've called Nissan NA to speak to them about this, but apparently their lines are busy, so I haven't been able to actually talk to them yet. Any advice? I'm currently w/o a car and have been hitching rides with my wife. Thanks!

05-20-2020, 08:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
babyzilla Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 487 Drives: 15 Nismo Tech 6MT Rep Power: 23633	I got a case # with Nissan a couple days ago and they called me yesterday to let me know they are "investigating the issue." I was told they will let me know the outcome on Friday. I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent. I'll keep you guys posted for information sake. I'll either get lucky or I'll be placing an order to Zspeed this weekend. I know you all have warned me, but I'm just shooting my shot. Side note: I'm not sure if I'm being dramatic, but the outcome of this may or may not influence my loyalty as a returning customer to Nissan (especially if they were to revamp the Z).

05-20-2020, 03:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
sportsman2003 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: In the moment Posts: 191 Drives: Sideways most times Rep Power: 11607	https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/ This is the kit i am going with. I am not an expert on the 370Z platform but I have researched this for myself and have only read good things. This was also recommended to me by Rob at Z car Garage in San Jose CA.