DIY: Oil Cooler (scratch built install, lottsa pics).....>.

miguez · 05-17-2009, 05:30 AM

Great work Steve, thank you.

I see you ended up zip tying the hose connections to the AN fittings. In theory, that's not necessary, these hoses should stay on to 200+ psi without anything extra but pushing them in, correct? Was this precaution due to previous experience with a hose disconnecting?

Modshack · 05-17-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by miguez

Great work Steve, thank you.

I see you ended up zip tying the hose connections to the AN fittings. In theory, that's not necessary, these hoses should stay on to 200+ psi without anything extra but pushing them in, correct? Was this precaution due to previous experience with a hose disconnecting?

No real clamping is necessary and in fact could be detrimental to the joint integrity..I just snugged up the ties between the barbs as it seemed like a simple thing to do that made logical sense as it would control "Potential" hose expansion under heat, not that I believe this is a possibility from what I've read about socketless hose. Just a piece of mind thing is all. No need.

Zeto · 05-17-2009, 11:44 AM

Do you plan to track the Z?

Modshack · 05-17-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeto

Do you plan to track the Z?

No..It's just a street car..

miguez · 05-18-2009, 03:42 AM

Sounds like great temperatures Steve, thanks for the update. I am leaning more and more towards Tru-cool instead of Setrab, as I am starting to feel that buying Setrab is like buying a Porsche, a great product, but you pay a premium for the name.

LiquidZ · 05-18-2009, 07:14 AM

Question about your oil filter:

It looks like the PL14610 fits on our cars, but where do you go to check to see if it does in the first place?

Captain Tuttl · 05-18-2009, 07:43 AM

Can the stock oil pump handle the increased volume of the oil cooler, new piping, and slightly larger Pure One filter? Does the oil pressure decrease?

Modshack · 05-18-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Tuttl

Can the stock oil pump handle the increased volume of the oil cooler, new piping, and slightly larger Pure One filter? Does the oil pressure decrease?

Increasing the oil volume has nothing to do with the pumps ability to pressurize the oiling system other than to keep temps down and therefore viscosity up. Cooler, higher viscosity oil will typically show a higher pressure were you to put a gauge on this.

wstar · 05-18-2009, 10:38 AM

Interesting about using a longer filter. This inspired me to xref the K&N filters. Looks like, their model HP-1010 is the equivalent. The specs are identical to the HP-1008 some of us are already using except that it's about 7/8" longer.

Modshack · 05-18-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

Question about your oil filter:

It looks like the PL14610 fits on our cars, but where do you go to check to see if it does in the first place?

It's also a 20mm thread. Linked above the picture is this thread: Don't Use Nissan OEM Oil Filters (Long Post - Lotsa Pics) - MyG37

Read it...Very interesting!

shumby · 05-18-2009, 10:34 AM

^^^ right but you will see a drop in flow rate.

wstar · 05-18-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shumby

^^^ right but you will see a drop in flow rate.

I have no idea how our (or other) oil pumps are designed, but I would think depending on the pump design you would either see a drop in flow rate (from moving a larger volume of oil using the same force), or an increase in oil pump 'drag' on the engine but same flow rate (in the case that the pump is designed to move a fixed volume per stroke/rev/whatever regardless).

Modshack · 05-18-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar

I have no idea how our (or other) oil pumps are designed, but I would think depending on the pump design you would either see a drop in flow rate (from moving a larger volume of oil using the same force), or an increase in oil pump 'drag' on the engine but same flow rate (in the case that the pump is designed to move a fixed volume per stroke/rev/whatever regardless).

I would think that the limitations in pressure and flow would be determined downstream of the filter and cooler, limited by Bearing clearances, oiling orfice sizes, the relief valve, viscosity, heat levels, thermal expansion etc. Once the system (cooler and filter) is pressurized the factors just listed will determine pressure and flow. There will naturally be less flow and higher pressure with cooler oil. This is mentioned in the service manual when testing on a cool engine and anyone who's ever had an oil pressure gauge on a car can confirm by observing pressure drops as an engine comes up to temperature....The VVEL failsafe system seems to be sensitive to pressure but is triggered by temps as it is assumed pressure and viscosity drops with extreme temperature rises (see graph at the top of my DIY)

alan93rsa · 05-18-2009, 10:45 AM

Modshack,

Nice install and a very nice writeup. It should prove valuable to many on the list.

Alan

Gokart3 · 05-19-2009, 10:30 AM

Hey Steve...

Thought I'd shoot up a quick comment. Not sure if you and I have ever discussed my Ghetto Grommet program. I used it when we put the Comptech supercharger and aftercooler in the S2000. The aftercooler had water lines that ran to a pump in the fender. You may already do this, so if it's a *R* epost, sorry.

Since I'm paranoid of rubber hoses chafing on anything, when I cut holds for them to run thru, I usually go a tad bigger than I need, then make a grommet to surround the hole. I just cut some 1/4 inch rubber hose lengthwise, then wrap it over the cut edge of the plastic/metal that I cut a hole in. I drill a few small holes and then use zip ties to hold the Ghetto Grommet in place. Then I run the hoses thru so it's rubber on rubber instead of rubber on "anything else".

I even use this method in the reverse when running braided stainless line to keep it from sawing thru things. I use a piece of hose slightly larger than the stainless, wrap it, zip tie, etc.. Have a few of those on the STi now. Just thought I'd drop that one here.

You can just barely see the gray hose on the driver side of the aftercooler in this pic. There are two of them that run out of the bottom side of the aftercooler and down into the left front fender under the headlight. An our and return. Russ Scott and John LZ7W helped me with the routing/install/etc.. Good times.

I searched my Fotki acct but couldn't find any pics of the actual Ghetto Grommet, but I'm sure you get the idea. Now I've gotta look even closer at the 370Z since you're playing with one. Not sure if this here forum knows how much of a lottery they hit when you landed here, but sure they will soon if not already.

Any VTDA's out here yet??

05-18-2009, 07:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 706	Question about your oil filter: It looks like the PL14610 fits on our cars, but where do you go to check to see if it does in the first place? __________________

05-18-2009, 10:38 AM	#9 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3596	Interesting about using a longer filter. This inspired me to xref the K&N filters. Looks like, their model HP-1010 is the equivalent. The specs are identical to the HP-1008 some of us are already using except that it's about 7/8" longer. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-18-2009, 10:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 46 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 238	^^^ right but you will see a drop in flow rate. __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

05-18-2009, 10:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
alan93rsa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 412 Drives: 16 Cayman GT4 Red Rep Power: 222	Modshack, Nice install and a very nice writeup. It should prove valuable to many on the list. Alan __________________ 16 Cayman GT4, Carmine Red, Buckets, PCCB etc.

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05-17-2009, 05:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
miguez Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 359 Drives: '04 Cavalier Rep Power: 183	Great work Steve, thank you. I see you ended up zip tying the hose connections to the AN fittings. In theory, that's not necessary, these hoses should stay on to 200+ psi without anything extra but pushing them in, correct? Was this precaution due to previous experience with a hose disconnecting?

05-17-2009, 11:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zeto Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North NJ Age: 42 Posts: 766 Drives: 09 Pearl White 370Z Rep Power: 269	Do you plan to track the Z?

05-18-2009, 03:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
miguez Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 359 Drives: '04 Cavalier Rep Power: 183	Sounds like great temperatures Steve, thanks for the update. I am leaning more and more towards Tru-cool instead of Setrab, as I am starting to feel that buying Setrab is like buying a Porsche, a great product, but you pay a premium for the name.

05-18-2009, 07:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
Captain Tuttl Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PA Posts: 36 Drives: 2019 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 18	Can the stock oil pump handle the increased volume of the oil cooler, new piping, and slightly larger Pure One filter? Does the oil pressure decrease?

05-19-2009, 10:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
Gokart3 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 4 Drives: TBD Rep Power: 18	Hey Steve... Thought I'd shoot up a quick comment. Not sure if you and I have ever discussed my Ghetto Grommet program. I used it when we put the Comptech supercharger and aftercooler in the S2000. The aftercooler had water lines that ran to a pump in the fender. You may already do this, so if it's a R epost, sorry. Since I'm paranoid of rubber hoses chafing on anything, when I cut holds for them to run thru, I usually go a tad bigger than I need, then make a grommet to surround the hole. I just cut some 1/4 inch rubber hose lengthwise, then wrap it over the cut edge of the plastic/metal that I cut a hole in. I drill a few small holes and then use zip ties to hold the Ghetto Grommet in place. Then I run the hoses thru so it's rubber on rubber instead of rubber on "anything else". I even use this method in the reverse when running braided stainless line to keep it from sawing thru things. I use a piece of hose slightly larger than the stainless, wrap it, zip tie, etc.. Have a few of those on the STi now. Just thought I'd drop that one here. You can just barely see the gray hose on the driver side of the aftercooler in this pic. There are two of them that run out of the bottom side of the aftercooler and down into the left front fender under the headlight. An our and return. Russ Scott and John LZ7W helped me with the routing/install/etc.. Good times. I searched my Fotki acct but couldn't find any pics of the actual Ghetto Grommet, but I'm sure you get the idea. Now I've gotta look even closer at the 370Z since you're playing with one. Not sure if this here forum knows how much of a lottery they hit when you landed here, but sure they will soon if not already. Any VTDA's out here yet??