Motortrend: Z/28 vs 911 Turbo S vs GTR

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's the opposite of moot. It's directly relevant since the guy who buys a $75k track only Camaro most likely can buy a 911/GTR/ZR1/whatever. It was a test on a track, and the track car won. So, for track use, the Z/28 is better. Once you start adding in caveats like "has AC and stereo", "on street tires, not R Comps" and the like, it's very easy to work your way back to one of the others. The main takeaway is that, for a track-only car, the Z/28 is fantastic. Once you want a dual-purpose vehicle, a GTR/911TT is almost as fast around the track and much more liveable at the cost of twice the price.

Also, for the non-professional driver, the AWD cars are going to be faster. Randy Pobst is a beast, and his times are not our times.

Originally Posted by Firebase99

The issue I have with it is the ONLY place it works at all is on a race track, no way that thing is pulling double duty. Again, for the money, for a COMPLETELY dedicated track toy, kudos GM.

Originally Posted by Firebase99

Speak for yourself NOOB, I got a 1:25.4 in my Z on the Top Gear Test track on PS3!!!

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

GM never intended it to be anything but a dedicated toy car. The magazine caused all the drama. It's a little deceptive testing it against street cars on street tires. They tested a ratcheting screwdriver against the little philips that comes on a swiss army knife and were surprised when it did a better job as a screwdriver. But that's all it does. If we were testing the ZL1 vs that field, it would be a distant third.




I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by Firebase99

We both said exactly the same thing in a very similar fashion, with that being said im glad it was stated, and stated as such in such a similar manner. There, that should do it.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Ding ding ding ding ding

Give the man a cigar.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Originally Posted by Firebase99

VERY good point however, Im having a hard time understanding how much money you really need to own a Turbo S comfortably. What kind of income? Im thinking minimum NET income $1 million? I dunno...whatever but thats a nice #. If I made that, would I track my S? I dont think I would. Maybe once. If I made $2 million, would i track it? Probably not, I want a dedicated Track Toy-GT3 type. So say I make $250K+, I could see myself getting a Z28 actually.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.