$58,250 for fake leather and no real LSD?+electronic steering gripe

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-09-2014, 02:52 PM

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BMW has in post Vietnam times been an overpriced import for elitist snobs. The 2002 & 3 series though, was a do it all, fun and entertaining performance coupé with a touch of class and luxury. This was very true from the early 70's to the 90's. Since then the bimmer in the middle 90's was kind of overpriced but had one of the most rigid and balanced chassis.
Today, the Z and mustang set the example for rigidity in the non speciality car segment in under $50k vehicles.

Reviews say the new bmw does everything right but there is absolutely no feedback from the steering wheel. And the 2-series is worse than the 4. The 2 series practically priced equal to a 4. Lol. What are imports doing 'll lately??

What I don't understand is how car manufacturers are using this full electronic steering in sports cars. No feedback alone makes bimmer worth 10k less in MSRP.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK SOLELY ON BMW.

Infiniti is following the same path. At minimum infiniti non-hybrid sport models get hydraulic units. But Ford,Porsche etc are succumbing to electronic steering.

Electronic steering is cheapening the drive experience, hence cheapening the cars worth in the sport coupe segment imho... I think if this bimmer were to have hydraulic steering? It would hands down be the best $40k+ vehicle on the market.

Reviews claim the corvette has good feedback in spite of elecsteer. Anyone can confirm? Also what do you guys feel about elecsteer? I hated it in the 5.0. It felt like intensely artificial.

NOTATION: On the part of electronic steering, please only comment if you know the difference between electronic steering and electronic assist-hydraulic steering. Thank you. :-)

cooltoy · 04-09-2014, 02:55 PM

Moved to "Other vehicles".

kittens · 04-09-2014, 03:02 PM

Can't you get a m235i now for low 40s? Still overpriced and rather have the Z though anyway

Zteve · 04-09-2014, 03:07 PM

404 ERROR: Relevance to 370Z not found

cooltoy · 04-09-2014, 03:11 PM

BMW 435i is over 50,000 Euro's in Germany.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-09-2014, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kittens

Can't you get a m235i now for low 40s? Still overpriced and rather have the Z though anyway

Add one necessary option and it's $48,000 3 options it's $55,000.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-09-2014, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy

Moved to "Other vehicles".

Oops thought I was there. My bad. Still suffering from chemo-brain. :-(

cooltoy · 04-09-2014, 03:47 PM

Keep fighting.

b15 · 04-09-2014, 03:50 PM

The only electric power steering vehicles I've driven are mainstream cars and they work just fine for it's intended use. I've always been curious how they feel on a sports car though.

The Infiniti system goes one further than EPS. It's essentially a DBW type system. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

kenchan · 04-09-2014, 04:15 PM

op- wat?

Tick64 · 04-09-2014, 04:20 PM

BMW has it's following. They may pay a bit more than relevant. I wouldn't do it personally, unless it's an M3.

kenchan · 04-09-2014, 04:30 PM

ha?

kenchan · 04-09-2014, 04:50 PM

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Trips · 04-09-2014, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooltoy

Moved to "Other vehicles".

Thank You.

It's been moved to the right section.

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Oops thought I was there. My bad. Still suffering from chemo-brain. :-(

Sorry to hear that

I hope you have a speedy recovery

Elan · 04-10-2014, 12:28 AM

I'd buy a slightly used M3 or M5 for that price!

View Poll Results: Would you pay $60k for a luxo-sport coupé with no LSD,leather, or steering feedback?
Hell yeah, its a bimmer	1	2.78%
Im not sure? May compromise for looks and status.	2	5.56%
Feedback is the soul of driving, i'll pass.	7	19.44%
Leatherette interior for $60,000? Get the f**k outta heaah!	5	13.89%
None of this matters, i wouldn't consider BMW for purchase.	21	58.33%
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04-09-2014, 02:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14857	$58,250 for fake leather and no real LSD?+electronic steering gripe AutoTrader.com Mobile BMW has in post Vietnam times been an overpriced import for elitist snobs. The 2002 & 3 series though, was a do it all, fun and entertaining performance coupé with a touch of class and luxury. This was very true from the early 70's to the 90's. Since then the bimmer in the middle 90's was kind of overpriced but had one of the most rigid and balanced chassis. Today, the Z and mustang set the example for rigidity in the non speciality car segment in under $50k vehicles. Reviews say the new bmw does everything right but there is absolutely no feedback from the steering wheel. And the 2-series is worse than the 4. The 2 series practically priced equal to a 4. Lol. What are imports doing 'll lately?? What I don't understand is how car manufacturers are using this full electronic steering in sports cars. No feedback alone makes bimmer worth 10k less in MSRP. THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK SOLELY ON BMW. Infiniti is following the same path. At minimum infiniti non-hybrid sport models get hydraulic units. But Ford,Porsche etc are succumbing to electronic steering. Electronic steering is cheapening the drive experience, hence cheapening the cars worth in the sport coupe segment imho... I think if this bimmer were to have hydraulic steering? It would hands down be the best $40k+ vehicle on the market. Reviews claim the corvette has good feedback in spite of elecsteer. Anyone can confirm? Also what do you guys feel about elecsteer? I hated it in the 5.0. It felt like intensely artificial. NOTATION: On the part of electronic steering, please only comment if you know the difference between electronic steering and electronic assist-hydraulic steering. Thank you. :-) __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36571	The only electric power steering vehicles I've driven are mainstream cars and they work just fine for it's intended use. I've always been curious how they feel on a sports car though. The Infiniti system goes one further than EPS. It's essentially a DBW type system. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	ha?

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